[nagdu] fidelco guide dogs, what do you think of this organization

cheryl echevarria cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
Thu Aug 18 21:58:00 UTC 2011


Margo:

Hey Girl see you next month.

It was just a thought because he was saying we were being hoodwinked by 
NAGDU, why would Fidelco want to do this.

It was an observation, it didn't come out right.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs,what do you think of this 
organization


> cheryl, why would someone correct what they don't feel needs correcting?
>
> Margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs, what do you think of this
> organization
>
>
> > Also Buddy I would add that if Fidelco was hoodwinking NAGDU and it's
> > clients, patrons, puppy raisers, wouldn't they be trying to correct the
> > issue, and let us know that what has happened was a mistake or it never
> > happened or whatever.
> >
> > Then they should be open to tell us about it, instead of not saying
> > anything.
> >
> > If they have nothing to hide, and they came to the NFB Convention, was a
> > vendor at the convention, they gave their annual report to NAGDU, but
> > didn't give the respect to Marion or the Division by answering our
> > questions.
> >
> >
> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > http://www.echevarriatravel.com
> > 631-456-5394
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> >
> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, located in
> > Baldwin, NY. www.superiortravel.com
> >
> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
> > Inc.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs,what do you think of this
> > organization
> >
> >
> >> Hi Brian,
> >>
> >> First, I don't think anyone will dispute that Fidelco has trained
> >> excellent teams and has enjoyed a fine and well-deserved reputation.
> >> However, with the allegations of the sort that NAGDU has put forth, and
> >> I've heard these from more quarters than just here and from more than
> >> just Marion's account, the pattern of Mr. Russman's leadership is
> >> difficult to deny. I'll say no more than this, not being a graduate
> >> myself, but being well acquainted with several and being on the 
> >> listserv
> >> in question. It's pretty safe to say that the discontent here isn't 
> >> just
> >> limited to NAGDU's complaint.
> >>
> >> Be that as it may, let's assume for the moment that all of the
> >> complaints, all of the problems that have come to light, are blown out 
> >> of
> >> all reasonable proportion, and that Fidelco has acted honorably in all
> >> cases, but that NAGDU was hoodwinked into an angry overreaction with
> >> absolutely no basis in fact. When all of the facts do come to light, 
> >> what
> >> proof do you have that we will, as you suggest, censor that outcome, 
> >> and
> >> that, should someone attempt to post findings contrary to our position,
> >> that such a post would be censored? What proof have you that such has
> >> happened in the past? Moreover, how can such a thing be accomplished on 
> >> a
> >> listserv whose membership is open and has no moderation of postings,
> >> short of the removal and banning of people who have repeatedly and
> >> willfully caused problems? Of course, such problems are a matter of
> >> record, and those posts are available and uncensored. So what proof 
> >> have
> >> you that NAGDU will, in effect, rewrite history in this case?
> >> --
> >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 18, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Bryan Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> > Marion
> >> >
> >> > I believe that the information if and when the truth comes out will
> >> > either be moderated or censored and will not be allowed on the list, 
> >> > I
> >> > think it would make you Marion  and the rest of the Nagdu leadership
> >> > look very bad.
> >> >
> >> > I have well placed  faith in Fidelco and I know more of the facts 
> >> > than
> >> > you may be aware of. "my sources will remain anonymous" sound 
> >> > familiar?
> >> >
> >> > Marion  you have been lied to and the longer and harder you push the
> >> > more foolish you and the rest of the Nagdu leadership behind you  are
> >> > going to appear. It's a shame that Nagdu has to be guided with anger
> >> > and paranoia. This could be a well respected advocacy group.
> >> >
> >> >   B
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Gwizdala"
> >> > <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:31 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs,what do you think of this
> >> > organization
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Bryan,
> >> >>   Just as some say that the organization is biased against Fidelco,
> >> >> so, too, are some of its consumers. You have had a positive 
> >> >> experience
> >> >> and seem to slight those who choose to remain anonymous because of
> >> >> their real fears of retaliation. we have given Fidelco numerous
> >> >> opportunities to respond to our concerns and they refuse to do so.
> >> >> Those who have experienced problems with Fidelco have attempted to
> >> >> address them with the administration and the Board of Directors and
> >> >> their concerns have been ignored. Even when an individual asked for 
> >> >> an
> >> >> explanation, Fidelco hid behind confidentiality. How is it a 
> >> >> violation
> >> >> of confidentiality to not share information with the person
> >> >> themselves?
> >> >>   Fidelco has been offered an opportunity to respond in the Braille
> >> >> Monitor and have refused to take advantage of this opportunity. the
> >> >> comment that is made that, when the "truth of this issue comes to
> >> >> light" you will not hear about it on this list demonstrates the bias
> >> >> you hold and the lack of trust you have in this organization. 
> >> >> Whatever
> >> >> the outcome, it will be shared on this list. I am confident in the
> >> >> position we have taken. Why else would we open ourselves up to the
> >> >> possibility Fidelco will take action against us. We would actually
> >> >> welcome it, as Fidelco would then be required to produce evidence 
> >> >> that
> >> >> our assertions are incorrect and they cannot do this.
> >> >>   We took extreme precautions to ensure that the information we 
> >> >> shared
> >> >> was accurate.
> >> >>
> >> >> Fraternally yours,
> >> >> Marion Gwizdala
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Brown"
> >> >> <bryanbrown at solarus.biz>
> >> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >> >> Users"
> >> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:09 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs, what do you think of this
> >> >> organization
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Reinhard,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>   I was just recently placed with my second Fidelco dog. I am very
> >> >>> happy with the dogs and the service that I have received from
> >> >>> Fidelco.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> There are a few people who have a negative opinion about Fidelco on
> >> >>> this list. I encourage you to take a look at the facts. The people
> >> >>> who have complained about Fidelco have remained anonymous and none 
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> the allegations have been proven or substantiated.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I feel that when the truth of these matters eventually comes to the
> >> >>> surface you will probably not hear about it on this list. Many 
> >> >>> people
> >> >>> will be embarrassed and the faith that current NAGDU members have 
> >> >>> in
> >> >>> their leadership will be unforgettably shaken.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I am a strong supporter of Fidelco and what the organization stands
> >> >>> for. Please feel free to contact me off list at
> >> >>>
> >> >>> bryanbrown at solarus.biz
> >> >>>
> >> >>> if you would like to.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>   thanks,
> >> >>>   Bryan
> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "reinhard stebner"
> >> >>> <rwstebner at aol.com>
> >> >>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:40 AM
> >> >>> Subject: [nagdu] fidelco guide dogs, what do you think of this
> >> >>> organization
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Good day to you,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I just joined this list in hopes of getting opinions of Fidelco
> >> >>>> guide dogs.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 1) What have you thought  about Fidelco dogs?  I recently say a
> >> >>>> Braille monitor article about one users bad experience with 
> >> >>>> Fidelco.
> >> >>>> I had applied for a dog from them in February and was just 
> >> >>>> approved
> >> >>>> to get a guide from them.  After reading the article, I have 
> >> >>>> doubts
> >> >>>> if I have made the correct decision with attending this guide
> >> >>>> school.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 2) All of the dogs that I have seen from this school have been 
> >> >>>> very
> >> >>>> well trained and respond well to their handlers.  I wanted a 
> >> >>>> German
> >> >>>> Shepherd and did not have time to go to a traditional school.  I
> >> >>>> have had poor matches from other schools and wanted to give a
> >> >>>> smaller school a try.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Any constructive feedback is welcome about guide dogs schools.  I
> >> >>>> want to make sure I am making the best possible decision and not
> >> >>>> have issues with he school.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >> >>>
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