[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane

Mark J. Cadigan kramc11 at gmail.com
Fri Dec 23 05:34:33 UTC 2011


Lol. True.  Funny how so many people from all over the country know about 
this song.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane


> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown every day!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>
>
>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I would assume 
>> so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost $7.00 to ride the 
>> commuter rail, something similar for the boat, just under 2 bucks for the 
>> subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and whatnot. Parking at one of the T 
>> stations is also quite expensive. However, parking in the city can run up 
>> to $50 a day depending ware u are parking. At the parking lot next to my 
>> doarm it is $30 a day. Prices around hear are ridiculous.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>
>>
>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>
>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was only 15 
>>> cense
>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like that now. 
>>> It
>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my "Charley
>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire life, and
>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't because I 
>>> put
>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to convince my dad 
>>> to
>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe the 
>>> reactions,
>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me no
>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to believe.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA as wwell!
>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks liked what
>>>> they saw!  Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never returning!  I
>>>>> understand your feelings though.  I myself have never really cared 
>>>>> about
>>>>> what everyone else thaught.  Yah, I was always kind of cocky that way. 
>>>>> I
>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in 1981, when I
>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate.  He was really unnerved by everyones 
>>>>> stares.
>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his keepper!
>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all the 
>>>>> stares.
>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope they like
>>>>> what they're seeing!  Especialy the girls!!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Buddy,
>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather have people
>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they are 
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> visually impaired or blind.  That is the stigma of blindness talking!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston and had to
>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own.  Previously to that, I was
>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public transportation at all
>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car.  If I did walk, it was on quiet
>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school.  There was a
>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street so I 
>>>>>> never
>>>>>> had to cross that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had never 
>>>>>> seen
>>>>>> one before!  The blind people I grew up with never used canes.  They
>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members.  At that time I could see 
>>>>>> quite
>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind.  I could get around pretty 
>>>>>> well
>>>>>> without any travel aids.  But at night, I had NO vision and needed a
>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for Halloween 
>>>>>> where I
>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious and that 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past.  I did lose
>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me and my
>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check!  I felt that I was
>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it.  With the cane,
>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem.  So, I realized that it 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can happen 
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify them in 
>>>>>> court
>>>>>> or to a police officer.  I think we just have to be more cautious and
>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I made a
>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days before 
>>>>>> audible
>>>>>> signals, folks!  With the cane, people didn't think this way anymore
>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot BECAUSE I was
>>>>>> blind! LOL!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane and their
>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give up their
>>>>>> drivers license.  The driver gives up freedom and mobility.  the new
>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the crowd 
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the person and
>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get killed.
>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before using a
>>>>>> cane!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and found it 
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback that my 
>>>>>> eyes
>>>>>> couldn't give me.  Although I prefer using a dog, I still do use my 
>>>>>> cane
>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to wrestle a
>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not, who think
>>>>>>>it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude, slow-witted, 
>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that they are
>>>>>>>blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less capable,
>>>>>>>less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and (mostly) less of 
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>human being than if you are not. Better to be thought sighted and
>>>>>>>[insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as blind. Much
>>>>>>>better.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think he's drunk. 
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he doesn't 
>>>>>>>> "need
>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people thinking he's
>>>>>>>> wasted.
>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one realized 
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night blindness. Which 
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis 
>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we went camping
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking stick. I
>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still very
>>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the terrain. Thing 
>>>>>>>>> is,
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I had 20/200
>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is heavier. I 
>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over at a 
>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My arm hurt a
>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or something.
>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request a free 
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get one of 
>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though. I have a
>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy ones.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful as the
>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or acquaintances
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some mental 
>>>>>>>>>>> midget
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate grabbing 
>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was new to this
>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to know where 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until they saw me
>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to me. If I'd 
>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the one I was
>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at any store.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your needs? I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> treat
>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few backups that
>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't hang onto
>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto for a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were too small.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the strap 
>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the outrage the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope you get a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping the other 
>>>>>>>>>>>> day
>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster type of
>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It is quite 
>>>>>>>>>>>> snug
>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I left the
>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could get into 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not their! I had 
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the bus station
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with me is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen a cane 
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy another one 
>>>>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB cane as a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very Long NFB 
>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane would be fine 
>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a wheelchair.It also 
>>>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> face.I
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's 
>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening to this
>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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