[nagdu] beginning to use a cane

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Thu Dec 22 21:23:10 UTC 2011


But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown every day!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane


> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I would assume 
> so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost $7.00 to ride the 
> commuter rail, something similar for the boat, just under 2 bucks for the 
> subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and whatnot. Parking at one of the T 
> stations is also quite expensive. However, parking in the city can run up 
> to $50 a day depending ware u are parking. At the parking lot next to my 
> doarm it is $30 a day. Prices around hear are ridiculous.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>
>
>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>
>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was only 15 
>> cense
>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like that now. It
>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my "Charley
>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
>>
>>
>>
>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire life, and
>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't because I 
>> put
>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to convince my dad 
>> to
>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe the 
>> reactions,
>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me no
>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to believe.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>
>>
>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA as wwell!
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks liked what
>>> they saw!  Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>
>>>
>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never returning!  I
>>>> understand your feelings though.  I myself have never really cared 
>>>> about
>>>> what everyone else thaught.  Yah, I was always kind of cocky that way. 
>>>> I
>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in 1981, when I
>>>> gave my cane to a roommate.  He was really unnerved by everyones 
>>>> stares.
>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his keepper!
>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all the 
>>>> stares.
>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope they like
>>>> what they're seeing!  Especialy the girls!!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Buddy,
>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather have people
>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they are 
>>>>> actually
>>>>> visually impaired or blind.  That is the stigma of blindness talking!
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston and had to
>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own.  Previously to that, I was
>>>>> always with someone because there was no public transportation at all
>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car.  If I did walk, it was on quiet
>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school.  There was a
>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street so I never
>>>>> had to cross that.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had never seen
>>>>> one before!  The blind people I grew up with never used canes.  They
>>>>> went sighted guide with family members.  At that time I could see 
>>>>> quite
>>>>> well although I was still legally blind.  I could get around pretty 
>>>>> well
>>>>> without any travel aids.  But at night, I had NO vision and needed a
>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for Halloween where 
>>>>> I
>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious and that I
>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past.  I did lose
>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me and my
>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check!  I felt that I was
>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it.  With the cane,
>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem.  So, I realized that it 
>>>>> was
>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
>>>>>
>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can happen 
>>>>> because
>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify them in 
>>>>> court
>>>>> or to a police officer.  I think we just have to be more cautious and
>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I made a
>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days before audible
>>>>> signals, folks!  With the cane, people didn't think this way anymore
>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot BECAUSE I was
>>>>> blind! LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane and their
>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give up their
>>>>> drivers license.  The driver gives up freedom and mobility.  the new
>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the crowd 
>>>>> without
>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
>>>>>
>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the person and
>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get killed.
>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before using a
>>>>> cane!
>>>>>
>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and found it very
>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback that my 
>>>>> eyes
>>>>> couldn't give me.  Although I prefer using a dog, I still do use my 
>>>>> cane
>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to wrestle a
>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
>>>>>
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not, who think
>>>>>>it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude, slow-witted, 
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that they are
>>>>>>blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less capable,
>>>>>>less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and (mostly) less of a
>>>>>>human being than if you are not. Better to be thought sighted and
>>>>>>[insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as blind. Much
>>>>>>better.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think he's drunk. I
>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he doesn't 
>>>>>>> "need
>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people thinking he's
>>>>>>> wasted.
>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one realized I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night blindness. Which 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis 
>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we went camping
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking stick. I
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still very
>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the terrain. Thing 
>>>>>>>> is,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I had 20/200
>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is heavier. I 
>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over at a 
>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My arm hurt a
>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or something.
>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request a free one
>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get one of 
>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though. I have a
>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy ones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful as the
>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or acquaintances
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some mental 
>>>>>>>>>> midget
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate grabbing 
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> stick by
>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was new to this
>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to know where to
>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until they saw me
>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to me. If I'd 
>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the one I was
>>>>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at any store.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your needs? I 
>>>>>>>>>>> treat
>>>>>>>>>>> canes
>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few backups that
>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't hang onto
>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto for a cane
>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were too small.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you keep the
>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>> say in
>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the strap 
>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in use?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the outrage the 
>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope you get a 
>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>> cain
>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping the other 
>>>>>>>>>>> day
>>>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster type of
>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It is quite 
>>>>>>>>>>> snug
>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I left the
>>>>>>>>>>> store and
>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could get into 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not their! I had it
>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the bus station
>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with me is 
>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>> on or
>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen a cane 
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy another one 
>>>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB cane as a 
>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>> Today
>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very Long NFB 
>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane would be fine 
>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a wheelchair.It also has 
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in the 
>>>>>>>>>>> face.I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's 
>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening to this
>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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