[nagdu] beginning to use a cane
Larry D. Keeler
lkeeler at comcast.net
Mon Dec 26 01:12:00 UTC 2011
We us AAta here. You apply for a card and you ride the busses for free and
cabs for a reduced rate.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> Larry,
> Yes, I remember calling it the T. And I remember when the fare was twenty
> five cents! When I lived in Boston, the blind got to ride for free when
> you showed the guy in the booth your Commission for the Blind ID card. Do
> they still do this? It was a whole lot easier to get you and your dog
> through the gate than it was in getting the dog throuogh the turnstiles.
>
> In San Diego, we have what's called a Compass Card that gets
> electronically "loaded" with fare for unlimited riding each month -
> monthly fare is $18.00 for seniors, disabled, and Medicare recipiants.
> This replaced the paper passes we used to get until about two years ago.
> There are machines we have to tap the card onto to register that we rode
> and was paid up. There are a few of these located where I could find them
> and Landon goes to them - I tap my card, and Landon gets a free sniff. On
> the bus, the machine to tap the card is located next to the farebox.
>
> We have no turnstiles to access the trolley and we are on the "trust
> system" where they hope we all either buy a ticket at the machines or have
> a paid-up Compass Card with us. There are turnstyles in one of the
> grocery stores I sometimes go to. Lots of places for a harness handle or
> leash to get snagged up on while going through this - a real pain! I let
> Landon go through first.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>
>
>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was only 15
>> cense like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like that
>> now. It varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my
>> "Charley Card" and refill it when it runs out.
>>
>>
>>
>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire life, and
>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't because I
>> put it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to convince my
>> dad to walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe the
>> reactions, but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me
>> no differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to believe.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>
>>
>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA as wwell!
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks liked what
>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>
>>>
>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never returning! I
>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never really cared
>>>> about what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of cocky that
>>>> way. I remember while attending Northern Michigan University in 1981,
>>>> when I gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by everyones
>>>> stares. I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his
>>>> keepper! When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all
>>>> the stares. I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I
>>>> hope they like what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Buddy,
>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather have people
>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they are
>>>>> actually visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of blindness
>>>>> talking!
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston and had to
>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to that, I was
>>>>> always with someone because there was no public transportation at all
>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was on quiet
>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school. There was a
>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street so I never
>>>>> had to cross that.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had never seen
>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used canes. They
>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I could see
>>>>> quite well although I was still legally blind. I could get around
>>>>> pretty well without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision
>>>>> and needed a cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for
>>>>> Halloween where I knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car
>>>>> traffic.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious and that I
>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past. I did lose
>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me and my
>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I felt that I was
>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With the cane,
>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I realized that it
>>>>> was time to use the cane and it was good.
>>>>>
>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can happen
>>>>> because the perp woould know the blind person could never identify
>>>>> them in court or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more
>>>>> cautious and aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I made a
>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days before audible
>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this way anymore
>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot BECAUSE I was
>>>>> blind! LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane and their
>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give up their
>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and mobility. the new
>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the crowd
>>>>> without something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
>>>>>
>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the person and
>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get killed.
>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before using a
>>>>> cane!
>>>>>
>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and found it very
>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback that my
>>>>> eyes couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I still do use
>>>>> my cane regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to
>>>>> wrestle a cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
>>>>>
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not, who think
>>>>>>it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude, slow-witted,
>>>>>>or any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that they are
>>>>>>blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less capable,
>>>>>>less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and (mostly) less of a
>>>>>>human being than if you are not. Better to be thought sighted and
>>>>>>[insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as blind. Much
>>>>>>better.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think he's drunk. I
>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he doesn't
>>>>>>> "need a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people thinking
>>>>>>> he's wasted.
>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one realized I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night blindness. Which
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis
>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we went camping
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking stick. I
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still very
>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the terrain. Thing
>>>>>>>> is, I
>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I had 20/200
>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is heavier. I
>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over at a
>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My arm hurt a
>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or something.
>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request a free one
>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get one of
>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though. I have a
>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy ones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful as the
>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or acquaintances
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some mental
>>>>>>>>>> midget or
>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate grabbing
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> stick by
>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was new to this
>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to know where to
>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until they saw me
>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to me. If I'd
>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the one I was
>>>>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at any store.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your needs? I
>>>>>>>>>>> treat canes
>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few backups that
>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't hang onto
>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto for a cane
>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were too small.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you keep the
>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>> say in
>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the strap
>>>>>>>>>>> around your
>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in use?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the outrage the
>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope you get a
>>>>>>>>>>> new cain
>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping the other
>>>>>>>>>>> day
>>>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster type of
>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It is quite
>>>>>>>>>>> snug
>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I left the
>>>>>>>>>>> store and
>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could get into
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not their! I had it
>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the bus station
>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with me is
>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>> on or
>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen a cane
>>>>>>>>>>> from me.
>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy another one
>>>>>>>>>>> until next
>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB cane as a
>>>>>>>>>>> back up.
>>>>>>>>>>> Today
>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very Long NFB
>>>>>>>>>>> cane as
>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane would be fine
>>>>>>>>>>> if I
>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a wheelchair.It also has
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in the
>>>>>>>>>>> face.I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's
>>>>>>>>>>> cane??????? Fake
>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening to this
>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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