[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Mon Dec 26 01:15:02 UTC 2011


Has what on your phone? 49 or their age? No way my age is going to be on my phone.
Cindy

On Dec 25, 2011, at 7:13 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:

> Hey, I'm 49 and I'll bet I'm the only one who has it on my phone!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> 
> 
>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s or early 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio.  So, yeah, anyone over at least 55 would remember it.
>> 
>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are compared to San Diego.  Sometimes I really have to look hard for a crowded place to give Landon crowd practise.  Usually street fairs work well and sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in port and it is a wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the temps are in the mid 70s during the summer. Most people drive here and don't walk - or rather it is hard to walk some places because Southern California is so geared to cars rather than walking, biking, or puplic transportation.
>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to watch out for than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for Hillcrest - where there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
>> 
>> Lyn and Landon
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>> 
>> 
>>> Lol. True.  Funny how so many people from all over the country know about this song.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown every day!
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I would assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost $7.00 to ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat, just under 2 bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and whatnot. Parking at one of the T stations is also quite expensive. However, parking in the city can run up to $50 a day depending ware u are parking. At the parking lot next to my doarm it is $30 a day. Prices around hear are ridiculous.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was only 15 cense
>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like that now. It
>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my "Charley
>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire life, and
>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't because I put
>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to convince my dad to
>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe the reactions,
>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me no
>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to believe.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA as wwell!
>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks liked what
>>>>>>> they saw!  Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never returning!  I
>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though.  I myself have never really cared about
>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught.  Yah, I was always kind of cocky that way. I
>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in 1981, when I
>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate.  He was really unnerved by everyones stares.
>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his keepper!
>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all the stares.
>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope they like
>>>>>>>> what they're seeing!  Especialy the girls!!
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather have people
>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they are actually
>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind.  That is the stigma of blindness talking!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston and had to
>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own.  Previously to that, I was
>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public transportation at all
>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car.  If I did walk, it was on quiet
>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school.  There was a
>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street so I never
>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had never seen
>>>>>>>>> one before!  The blind people I grew up with never used canes. They
>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members.  At that time I could see quite
>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind.  I could get around pretty well
>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids.  But at night, I had NO vision and needed a
>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for Halloween where I
>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious and that I
>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past.  I did lose
>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me and my
>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check!  I felt that I was
>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it.  With the cane,
>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem.  So, I realized that it was
>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can happen because
>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify them in court
>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer.  I think we just have to be more cautious and
>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I made a
>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days before audible
>>>>>>>>> signals, folks!  With the cane, people didn't think this way anymore
>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot BECAUSE I was
>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane and their
>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give up their
>>>>>>>>> drivers license.  The driver gives up freedom and mobility.  the new
>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the crowd without
>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the person and
>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get killed.
>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before using a
>>>>>>>>> cane!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and found it very
>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback that my eyes
>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me.  Although I prefer using a dog, I still do use my cane
>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to wrestle a
>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not, who think
>>>>>>>>>> it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude, slow-witted, or
>>>>>>>>>> any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that they are
>>>>>>>>>> blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less capable,
>>>>>>>>>> less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and (mostly) less of a
>>>>>>>>>> human being than if you are not. Better to be thought sighted and
>>>>>>>>>> [insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as blind. Much
>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think he's drunk. I
>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he doesn't "need
>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people thinking he's
>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one realized I
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night blindness. Which of
>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis Pigmentosa.
>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we went camping
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking stick. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still very
>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the terrain. Thing is,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I had 20/200
>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is heavier. I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over at a family
>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My arm hurt a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request a free one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get one of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though. I have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or acquaintances
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some mental midget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate grabbing my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was new to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to know where to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until they saw me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to me. If I'd had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the one I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at any store.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your needs? I treat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few backups that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't hang onto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto for a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were too small.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the strap around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the outrage the list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope you get a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping the other day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster type of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It is quite snug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I left the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could get into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not their! I had it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the bus station
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with me is getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen a cane from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy another one until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB cane as a back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very Long NFB cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane would be fine if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a wheelchair.It also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in the face.I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's cane???????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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