[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
Doug Parisian
eggmann at shaw.ca
Mon Dec 26 02:15:43 UTC 2011
And, also, you can't roller skate in a buffalo herd.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> Yup, you can't take a goldfish for a walk. LOL.
>
> On Dec 25, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>
>> So you do recognize the song! I have lots of oldies but strangies on my
>> computer and phone! Like, ""How much is that Doggie in the Window". We
>> had a lot of fun wiith that one at Pilot!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>
>>
>>> Oh Charlie and the MTA. Didn't like it that much except the part that
>>> says, "And through an open window she hands Charlie a sandwich as the
>>> train comes rumbling through." hahahaha.
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On Dec 25, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>
>>>> The song! Its the Kingston Trio!
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Has what on your phone? 49 or their age? No way my age is going to be
>>>>> on my phone.
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 25, 2011, at 7:13 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, I'm 49 and I'll bet I'm the only one who has it on my phone!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak"
>>>>>> <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s or
>>>>>>> early 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio. So, yeah,
>>>>>>> anyone over at least 55 would remember it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are
>>>>>>> compared to San Diego. Sometimes I really have to look hard for a
>>>>>>> crowded place to give Landon crowd practise. Usually street fairs
>>>>>>> work well and sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in
>>>>>>> port and it is a wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the
>>>>>>> temps are in the mid 70s during the summer. Most people drive here
>>>>>>> and don't walk - or rather it is hard to walk some places because
>>>>>>> Southern California is so geared to cars rather than walking,
>>>>>>> biking, or puplic transportation.
>>>>>>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to watch out
>>>>>>> for than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for Hillcrest -
>>>>>>> where there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lol. True. Funny how so many people from all over the country know
>>>>>>>> about this song.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>>>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown
>>>>>>>>> every day!
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I
>>>>>>>>>> would assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost
>>>>>>>>>> $7.00 to ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat,
>>>>>>>>>> just under 2 bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley,
>>>>>>>>>> and whatnot. Parking at one of the T stations is also quite
>>>>>>>>>> expensive. However, parking in the city can run up to $50 a day
>>>>>>>>>> depending ware u are parking. At the parking lot next to my doarm
>>>>>>>>>> it is $30 a day. Prices around hear are ridiculous.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
>>>>>>>>>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was
>>>>>>>>>>> only 15 cense
>>>>>>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like
>>>>>>>>>>> that now. It
>>>>>>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my
>>>>>>>>>>> "Charley
>>>>>>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire
>>>>>>>>>>> life, and
>>>>>>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> because I put
>>>>>>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to
>>>>>>>>>>> convince my dad to
>>>>>>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe
>>>>>>>>>>> the reactions,
>>>>>>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me
>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to
>>>>>>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA as
>>>>>>>>>>>> wwell!
>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks
>>>>>>>>>>>> liked what
>>>>>>>>>>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never
>>>>>>>>>>>>> returning! I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cared about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of cocky
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that way. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in 1981,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyones stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keepper!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transportation at all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind. I could get around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Halloween where I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I felt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I realized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them in court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cautious and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before audible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot BECAUSE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and mobility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crowd without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> killed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found it very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that my eyes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I still do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use my cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrestle a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow-witted, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capable,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and (mostly)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human being than if you are not. Better to be thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind. Much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drunk. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't "need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness. Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we went
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrain. Thing is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had 20/200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavier. I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arm hurt a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquaintances
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mental midget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saw me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I'd had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any store.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs? I treat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backups that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hang onto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strap around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outrage the list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you get a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite snug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not their!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> station
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Long NFB cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be fine if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a wheelchair.It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the face.I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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