[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
Larry D. Keeler
lkeeler at comcast.net
Mon Dec 26 02:33:33 UTC 2011
Well, Dang Me!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Parisian" <eggmann at shaw.ca>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> And, also, you can't roller skate in a buffalo herd.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 7:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>
>
>> Yup, you can't take a goldfish for a walk. LOL.
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>
>>> So you do recognize the song! I have lots of oldies but strangies on my
>>> computer and phone! Like, ""How much is that Doggie in the Window". We
>>> had a lot of fun wiith that one at Pilot!
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh Charlie and the MTA. Didn't like it that much except the part that
>>>> says, "And through an open window she hands Charlie a sandwich as the
>>>> train comes rumbling through." hahahaha.
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 25, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The song! Its the Kingston Trio!
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:15 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Has what on your phone? 49 or their age? No way my age is going to be
>>>>>> on my phone.
>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 25, 2011, at 7:13 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, I'm 49 and I'll bet I'm the only one who has it on my phone!
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak"
>>>>>>> <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s or
>>>>>>>> early 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio. So, yeah,
>>>>>>>> anyone over at least 55 would remember it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are
>>>>>>>> compared to San Diego. Sometimes I really have to look hard for a
>>>>>>>> crowded place to give Landon crowd practise. Usually street fairs
>>>>>>>> work well and sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in
>>>>>>>> port and it is a wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the
>>>>>>>> temps are in the mid 70s during the summer. Most people drive here
>>>>>>>> and don't walk - or rather it is hard to walk some places because
>>>>>>>> Southern California is so geared to cars rather than walking,
>>>>>>>> biking, or puplic transportation.
>>>>>>>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to watch out
>>>>>>>> for than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for
>>>>>>>> Hillcrest - where there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lol. True. Funny how so many people from all over the country
>>>>>>>>> know about this song.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>>>>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown
>>>>>>>>>> every day!
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I
>>>>>>>>>>> would assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost
>>>>>>>>>>> $7.00 to ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat,
>>>>>>>>>>> just under 2 bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley,
>>>>>>>>>>> and whatnot. Parking at one of the T stations is also quite
>>>>>>>>>>> expensive. However, parking in the city can run up to $50 a day
>>>>>>>>>>> depending ware u are parking. At the parking lot next to my
>>>>>>>>>>> doarm it is $30 a day. Prices around hear are ridiculous.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
>>>>>>>>>>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was
>>>>>>>>>>>> only 15 cense
>>>>>>>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like
>>>>>>>>>>>> that now. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Charley
>>>>>>>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire
>>>>>>>>>>>> life, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> because I put
>>>>>>>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>> convince my dad to
>>>>>>>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe
>>>>>>>>>>>> the reactions,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me
>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to
>>>>>>>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as wwell!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> returning! I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cared about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of cocky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that way. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1981, when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyones stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keepper!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and had to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transportation at all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could see quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind. I could get around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Halloween where I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I felt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I realized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them in court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cautious and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before audible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BECAUSE I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and mobility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crowd without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> killed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found it very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that my eyes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I still do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use my cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrestle a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow-witted, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capable,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mostly) less of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human being than if you are not. Better to be thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind. Much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's drunk. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't "need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness. Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went camping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrain. Thing is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had 20/200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavier. I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arm hurt a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a free one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquaintances
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mental midget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know where to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they saw me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me. If I'd had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any store.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs? I treat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backups that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hang onto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too small.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strap around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outrage the list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you get a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the other day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is quite snug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their! I had it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bus station
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me is getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane as a back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Long NFB cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be fine if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair.It also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the face.I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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