[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane

Tue Dec 27 22:27:17 UTC 2011

Take me with you! We had to put off our dream to do the long trip across 
and around the US for another year, at least, but I am still just dying 
to do Boston! And New Yok, of course. When we talk about our much-lanned 
but still delayed trip, I make sure DD is under no delusions that when I 
say Do Boston or Do New York, I am not talking about a drive by! I mean 
a couple of weeks, on our feet and on the go anywhere and everywhere!

He's a driver, not a walker, so he does a lot of noncommittal grumping 
at this point. Okay! Then you can drive and meet us places you want to 
go. Mitzi and I are going to take off and walk! /lol/

Can't wait!

Tami

On 12/27/2011 02:16 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
> All this Boston talk makes me wish I could afford to go visit for a week
> or so - preferably during the LGBT Pride so I couold see all my old
> friends!
>
> Landon and I would fit in with our Irish red coloring. When I visited
> Boston last, I still had Jacob and he enjoyed working in Boston.
>
> So, the Combat Zone is no more????? How did that happen - a miracle for
> sure. I used to go there with my boss for a few drinks as we enjoyed the
> scenery...so to speak.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>
>
>> That's very funny, Mark.
>>
>> My folks are from Boston, from Dorchester, excuse me
>> "Dohchesteh".--smile.
>> I have many stories of how Floridians misunderstood their accent since I
>> grew up here in Florida and my folks of course were here having moved
>> down
>> in 1962.
>> .
>> One time my Mom was explaining that I was born with a problem with my
>> heart...the Southern lady she was talking to couldn't understand why I
>> was
>> born with problems with my hat..."hat", she asked incredulously, ,
>> "like on
>> your head?"
>>
>> I suppose to keep this slightly dog-related, I've been to Boston, but
>> not in
>> the eighteen years I've had guide dogs.
>> I liked the city when I visited, but that was when I was thirteen in
>> 1983.
>> Those of you with keen math minds will figure out by that one sentence
>> how
>> old I am--lol.
>> I enjoyed Cambridge, there were so many characters around there, I
>> loved it.
>>
>> Dan the man and Carter the nut
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Mark J. Cadigan
>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:17 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>
>> Larry,
>>
>>
>>
>> Boston Cream Pie is delicious, however the combat zone is no more. Thank
>> god. Boston has gentrified out a lot in the past several years. Also,
>> lots
>> of suburban kids are moving back to the city displacing lots of blue
>> collar
>> workers. Boston doesn't have the feal preserved in books and movies
>> like the
>> town. That is the boston of 20 years ago or more. The Boston of when my
>> parents were my age.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, a true Boston accent is something else. Sometimes, to
>> Midwesterners, I sound like I have the accent; however you have to
>> listen to
>> one of the real old-timers, one of the old shipyard workers, or
>> another of
>> the blue collar working boys to really get a feel for the accent.
>>
>>
>>
>> In Boston you do not recognize the letter "R" as a part of the English
>> language. We only have 25 letters in the alphabet.
>>
>>
>>
>> You know you are from Boston if
>>
>> You don't think you have an attitude.
>>
>> You have no idea what the word compromise means.
>>
>> You don't realize that you walk and talk twice as fast as everyone else.
>>
>> The words 'WICKED' and 'GOOD' go together.
>>
>> You own a "Yankees Suck" shirt or hat.
>>
>> You wear dungaress, not jeans.
>>
>> You can't understand why anybody would not like fried clams.
>>
>> 4:15pm and pitch black out means there's just 3 more shopping days until
>> Christmas
>>
>> And, on that note, shopping is a contact sport
>>
>>
>>
>> Driving rules for boston
>>
>> Whenever possible, stop in the middle of a crosswalk to ensure
>> inconveniencing as many pedestrians as possible. And if a pedestrian
>> ahead
>> of you steps in the road, speed up loudly and chase him back up on the
>> curb.
>>
>> Peds have no rights.
>>
>> it doesn't surprise you to see someone talking on their cell while
>> drinking
>> a coffee and driving with their knees.
>>
>> you can't go more than a few blocks without hearing a horn beeped.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, what drove me crazy, when I was at BLIND Inc, is I couldn't see a
>> Dunkin Donuts, ATM or CVS within eyeshot at all times. I can't
>> literally see
>>
>> them, however, you can't go more than a cupple blocks without passing
>> them,
>> and sometimes multiples of them.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>
>>
>>> I just want cream pie and to say that I walked by the Combat Zone! I
>>> read
>>> a lot of Robin Cook.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>
>>>
>>>> I am definitely not that old, however, that song is so heavily
>>>> entrenched
>>>> in Boston lore, that even I know it. lol.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you want croudes and crowds of people, come to Boston. Sometimes,
>>>> when
>>
>>>> I go out, at 2 or 3 in the morning, the sidewalks are still crowded.
>>>> Figure that. And, it's nothing like New York or DC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak"
>>>> <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s or
>>>>> early
>>>>> 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio. So, yeah, anyone over
>>>>> at least 55 would remember it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are compared
>>>>> to San Diego. Sometimes I really have to look hard for a crowded place
>>>>> to give Landon crowd practise. Usually street fairs work well and
>>>>> sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in port and it is a
>>>>> wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the temps are in the mid
>>>>> 70s during the summer. Most people drive here and don't walk - or
>>>>> rather
>>
>>>>> it is hard to walk some places because Southern California is so
>>>>> geared
>>>>> to cars rather than walking, biking, or puplic transportation.
>>>>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to watch out
>>>>> for
>>>>> than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for Hillcrest - where
>>>>> there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lol. True. Funny how so many people from all over the country know
>>>>>> about this song.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown
>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>> day!
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I would
>>>>>>>> assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost $7.00 to
>>>>>>>> ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat, just
>>>>>>>> under 2
>>>>>>>> bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and whatnot.
>>>>>>>> Parking at one of the T stations is also quite expensive. However,
>>>>>>>> parking in the city can run up to $50 a day depending ware u are
>>>>>>>> parking. At the parking lot next to my doarm it is $30 a day.
>>>>>>>> Prices
>>>>>>>> around hear are ridiculous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
>>>>>>>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was only
>>>>>>>>> 15 cense
>>>>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like that
>>>>>>>>> now. It
>>>>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my
>>>>>>>>> "Charley
>>>>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire
>>>>>>>>> life,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't
>>>>>>>>> because I put
>>>>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to
>>>>>>>>> convince my
>>
>>>>>>>>> dad to
>>>>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe the
>>>>>>>>> reactions,
>>>>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me no
>>>>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to
>>>>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA as
>>>>>>>>>> wwell!
>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks
>>>>>>>>>> liked
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never returning!
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never really
>>>>>>>>>>> cared
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of cocky that
>>>>>>>>>>> way. I
>>>>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in 1981,
>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by everyones
>>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his
>>>>>>>>>>> keepper!
>>>>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all the
>>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather have
>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they are
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>> talking!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston
>>>>>>>>>>>> and had
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to that, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public
>>>>>>>>>>>> transportation at
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was on quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school. There
>>>>>>>>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street
>>>>>>>>>>>> so I
>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had
>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>>>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used canes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I could
>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind. I could get around
>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty well
>>>>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision and
>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a
>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for
>>>>>>>>>>>> Halloween
>>>>>>>>>>>> where I
>>>>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious and
>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past. I did
>>>>>>>>>>>> lose
>>>>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me
>>>>>>>>>>>> and my
>>>>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I felt
>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With the
>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I realized
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can
>>>>>>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify them
>>>>>>>>>>>> in court
>>>>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more
>>>>>>>>>>>> cautious
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I
>>>>>>>>>>>> made a
>>>>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days before
>>>>>>>>>>>> audible
>>>>>>>>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this way
>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot BECAUSE I
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane and
>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give up
>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and mobility. the
>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> crowd
>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the person
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get
>>>>>>>>>>>> killed.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before
>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> cane!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and
>>>>>>>>>>>> found it
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback that
>>>>>>>>>>>> my eyes
>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I still do use
>>>>>>>>>>>> my cane
>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrestle a
>>>>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow-witted, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less
>>>>>>>>>>>>> capable,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mostly) less
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> human being than if you are not. Better to be thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Much
>>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drunk. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we went
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the terrain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thing is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20/200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavier.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My arm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurt a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquaintances
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mental
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> midget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they saw
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the one I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs? I
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backups
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't hang
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strap
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the outrage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite snug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not their! I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> station
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very Long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a wheelchair.It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face.I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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