[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Tue Dec 27 22:32:47 UTC 2011 

Tami, it's a long walk to New York, isn't it? LOL. Oh, guess that wasn't quite what you said.

On Dec 27, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:

> Take me with you! We had to put off our dream to do the long trip across and around the US for another year, at least, but I am still just dying to do Boston! And New Yok, of course. When we talk about our much-lanned but still delayed trip, I make sure DD is under no delusions that when I say Do Boston or Do New York, I am not talking about a drive by! I mean a couple of weeks, on our feet and on the go anywhere and everywhere!
> 
> He's a driver, not a walker, so he does a lot of noncommittal grumping at this point. Okay! Then you can drive and meet us places you want to go. Mitzi and I are going to take off and walk! /lol/
> 
> Can't wait!
> 
> Tami
> 
> On 12/27/2011 02:16 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>> All this Boston talk makes me wish I could afford to go visit for a week
>> or so - preferably during the LGBT Pride so I couold see all my old
>> friends!
>> 
>> Landon and I would fit in with our Irish red coloring. When I visited
>> Boston last, I still had Jacob and he enjoyed working in Boston.
>> 
>> So, the Combat Zone is no more????? How did that happen - a miracle for
>> sure. I used to go there with my boss for a few drinks as we enjoyed the
>> scenery...so to speak.
>> 
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>> 
>> 
>>> That's very funny, Mark.
>>> 
>>> My folks are from Boston, from Dorchester, excuse me
>>> "Dohchesteh".--smile.
>>> I have many stories of how Floridians misunderstood their accent since I
>>> grew up here in Florida and my folks of course were here having moved
>>> down
>>> in 1962.
>>> .
>>> One time my Mom was explaining that I was born with a problem with my
>>> heart...the Southern lady she was talking to couldn't understand why I
>>> was
>>> born with problems with my hat..."hat", she asked incredulously, ,
>>> "like on
>>> your head?"
>>> 
>>> I suppose to keep this slightly dog-related, I've been to Boston, but
>>> not in
>>> the eighteen years I've had guide dogs.
>>> I liked the city when I visited, but that was when I was thirteen in
>>> 1983.
>>> Those of you with keen math minds will figure out by that one sentence
>>> how
>>> old I am--lol.
>>> I enjoyed Cambridge, there were so many characters around there, I
>>> loved it.
>>> 
>>> Dan the man and Carter the nut
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:17 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>> 
>>> Larry,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Boston Cream Pie is delicious, however the combat zone is no more. Thank
>>> god. Boston has gentrified out a lot in the past several years. Also,
>>> lots
>>> of suburban kids are moving back to the city displacing lots of blue
>>> collar
>>> workers. Boston doesn't have the feal preserved in books and movies
>>> like the
>>> town. That is the boston of 20 years ago or more. The Boston of when my
>>> parents were my age.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> However, a true Boston accent is something else. Sometimes, to
>>> Midwesterners, I sound like I have the accent; however you have to
>>> listen to
>>> one of the real old-timers, one of the old shipyard workers, or
>>> another of
>>> the blue collar working boys to really get a feel for the accent.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In Boston you do not recognize the letter "R" as a part of the English
>>> language. We only have 25 letters in the alphabet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You know you are from Boston if
>>> 
>>> You don't think you have an attitude.
>>> 
>>> You have no idea what the word compromise means.
>>> 
>>> You don't realize that you walk and talk twice as fast as everyone else.
>>> 
>>> The words 'WICKED' and 'GOOD' go together.
>>> 
>>> You own a "Yankees Suck" shirt or hat.
>>> 
>>> You wear dungaress, not jeans.
>>> 
>>> You can't understand why anybody would not like fried clams.
>>> 
>>> 4:15pm and pitch black out means there's just 3 more shopping days until
>>> Christmas
>>> 
>>> And, on that note, shopping is a contact sport
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Driving rules for boston
>>> 
>>> Whenever possible, stop in the middle of a crosswalk to ensure
>>> inconveniencing as many pedestrians as possible. And if a pedestrian
>>> ahead
>>> of you steps in the road, speed up loudly and chase him back up on the
>>> curb.
>>> 
>>> Peds have no rights.
>>> 
>>> it doesn't surprise you to see someone talking on their cell while
>>> drinking
>>> a coffee and driving with their knees.
>>> 
>>> you can't go more than a few blocks without hearing a horn beeped.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Also, what drove me crazy, when I was at BLIND Inc, is I couldn't see a
>>> Dunkin Donuts, ATM or CVS within eyeshot at all times. I can't
>>> literally see
>>> 
>>> them, however, you can't go more than a cupple blocks without passing
>>> them,
>>> and sometimes multiples of them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I just want cream pie and to say that I walked by the Combat Zone! I
>>>> read
>>>> a lot of Robin Cook.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:22 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I am definitely not that old, however, that song is so heavily
>>>>> entrenched
>>>>> in Boston lore, that even I know it. lol.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you want croudes and crowds of people, come to Boston. Sometimes,
>>>>> when
>>> 
>>>>> I go out, at 2 or 3 in the morning, the sidewalks are still crowded.
>>>>> Figure that. And, it's nothing like New York or DC.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak"
>>>>> <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s or
>>>>>> early
>>>>>> 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio. So, yeah, anyone over
>>>>>> at least 55 would remember it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are compared
>>>>>> to San Diego. Sometimes I really have to look hard for a crowded place
>>>>>> to give Landon crowd practise. Usually street fairs work well and
>>>>>> sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in port and it is a
>>>>>> wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the temps are in the mid
>>>>>> 70s during the summer. Most people drive here and don't walk - or
>>>>>> rather
>>> 
>>>>>> it is hard to walk some places because Southern California is so
>>>>>> geared
>>>>>> to cars rather than walking, biking, or puplic transportation.
>>>>>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to watch out
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for Hillcrest - where
>>>>>> there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Lol. True. Funny how so many people from all over the country know
>>>>>>> about this song.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown
>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>> day!
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I would
>>>>>>>>> assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost $7.00 to
>>>>>>>>> ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat, just
>>>>>>>>> under 2
>>>>>>>>> bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and whatnot.
>>>>>>>>> Parking at one of the T stations is also quite expensive. However,
>>>>>>>>> parking in the city can run up to $50 a day depending ware u are
>>>>>>>>> parking. At the parking lot next to my doarm it is $30 a day.
>>>>>>>>> Prices
>>>>>>>>> around hear are ridiculous.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
>>>>>>>>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was only
>>>>>>>>>> 15 cense
>>>>>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like that
>>>>>>>>>> now. It
>>>>>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my
>>>>>>>>>> "Charley
>>>>>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire
>>>>>>>>>> life,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't
>>>>>>>>>> because I put
>>>>>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to
>>>>>>>>>> convince my
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> dad to
>>>>>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe the
>>>>>>>>>> reactions,
>>>>>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me no
>>>>>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to
>>>>>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA as
>>>>>>>>>>> wwell!
>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks
>>>>>>>>>>> liked
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never returning!
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never really
>>>>>>>>>>>> cared
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of cocky that
>>>>>>>>>>>> way. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in 1981,
>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by everyones
>>>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his
>>>>>>>>>>>> keepper!
>>>>>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all the
>>>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>> what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and had
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to that, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public
>>>>>>>>>>>>> transportation at
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was on quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school. There
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used canes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I could
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind. I could get around
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty well
>>>>>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Halloween
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past. I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I felt
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I realized
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in court
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cautious
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> made a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days before
>>>>>>>>>>>>> audible
>>>>>>>>>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this way
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot BECAUSE I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and mobility. the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> crowd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the person
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> killed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> found it
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my eyes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I still do use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrestle a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow-witted, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capable,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mostly) less
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human being than if you are not. Better to be thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drunk. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we went
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the terrain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thing is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20/200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavier.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My arm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurt a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquaintances
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mental
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> midget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they saw
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the one I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs? I
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backups
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't hang
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strap
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the outrage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite snug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not their! I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> station
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very Long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a wheelchair.It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face.I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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