[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
Larry D. Keeler
lkeeler at comcast.net
Tue Dec 27 23:11:10 UTC 2011
Probably to big for Tami! Also, not enough tread! She would have to get
those in Chicago. I wonder if they make those for Mitsy?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> Some of those Michael Jordan shoes? LOL. I think I had better go away.
> LOL.
>
> On Dec 27, 2011, at 4:49 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>
>> Well, she could stop in Michigan to refuel! And get more shoes!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 5:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>
>>
>>> Tami, it's a long walk to New York, isn't it? LOL. Oh, guess that wasn't
>>> quite what you said.
>>>
>>> On Dec 27, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
>>>
>>>> Take me with you! We had to put off our dream to do the long trip
>>>> across and around the US for another year, at least, but I am still
>>>> just dying to do Boston! And New Yok, of course. When we talk about our
>>>> much-lanned but still delayed trip, I make sure DD is under no
>>>> delusions that when I say Do Boston or Do New York, I am not talking
>>>> about a drive by! I mean a couple of weeks, on our feet and on the go
>>>> anywhere and everywhere!
>>>>
>>>> He's a driver, not a walker, so he does a lot of noncommittal grumping
>>>> at this point. Okay! Then you can drive and meet us places you want to
>>>> go. Mitzi and I are going to take off and walk! /lol/
>>>>
>>>> Can't wait!
>>>>
>>>> Tami
>>>>
>>>> On 12/27/2011 02:16 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>>>> All this Boston talk makes me wish I could afford to go visit for a
>>>>> week
>>>>> or so - preferably during the LGBT Pride so I couold see all my old
>>>>> friends!
>>>>>
>>>>> Landon and I would fit in with our Irish red coloring. When I visited
>>>>> Boston last, I still had Jacob and he enjoyed working in Boston.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, the Combat Zone is no more????? How did that happen - a miracle
>>>>> for
>>>>> sure. I used to go there with my boss for a few drinks as we enjoyed
>>>>> the
>>>>> scenery...so to speak.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Weiner"
>>>>> <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:10 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's very funny, Mark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My folks are from Boston, from Dorchester, excuse me
>>>>>> "Dohchesteh".--smile.
>>>>>> I have many stories of how Floridians misunderstood their accent
>>>>>> since I
>>>>>> grew up here in Florida and my folks of course were here having moved
>>>>>> down
>>>>>> in 1962.
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> One time my Mom was explaining that I was born with a problem with my
>>>>>> heart...the Southern lady she was talking to couldn't understand why
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> born with problems with my hat..."hat", she asked incredulously, ,
>>>>>> "like on
>>>>>> your head?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suppose to keep this slightly dog-related, I've been to Boston, but
>>>>>> not in
>>>>>> the eighteen years I've had guide dogs.
>>>>>> I liked the city when I visited, but that was when I was thirteen in
>>>>>> 1983.
>>>>>> Those of you with keen math minds will figure out by that one
>>>>>> sentence
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> old I am--lol.
>>>>>> I enjoyed Cambridge, there were so many characters around there, I
>>>>>> loved it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan the man and Carter the nut
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:17 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boston Cream Pie is delicious, however the combat zone is no more.
>>>>>> Thank
>>>>>> god. Boston has gentrified out a lot in the past several years. Also,
>>>>>> lots
>>>>>> of suburban kids are moving back to the city displacing lots of blue
>>>>>> collar
>>>>>> workers. Boston doesn't have the feal preserved in books and movies
>>>>>> like the
>>>>>> town. That is the boston of 20 years ago or more. The Boston of when
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> parents were my age.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, a true Boston accent is something else. Sometimes, to
>>>>>> Midwesterners, I sound like I have the accent; however you have to
>>>>>> listen to
>>>>>> one of the real old-timers, one of the old shipyard workers, or
>>>>>> another of
>>>>>> the blue collar working boys to really get a feel for the accent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Boston you do not recognize the letter "R" as a part of the
>>>>>> English
>>>>>> language. We only have 25 letters in the alphabet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know you are from Boston if
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't think you have an attitude.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have no idea what the word compromise means.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't realize that you walk and talk twice as fast as everyone
>>>>>> else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The words 'WICKED' and 'GOOD' go together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You own a "Yankees Suck" shirt or hat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You wear dungaress, not jeans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can't understand why anybody would not like fried clams.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4:15pm and pitch black out means there's just 3 more shopping days
>>>>>> until
>>>>>> Christmas
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, on that note, shopping is a contact sport
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Driving rules for boston
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whenever possible, stop in the middle of a crosswalk to ensure
>>>>>> inconveniencing as many pedestrians as possible. And if a pedestrian
>>>>>> ahead
>>>>>> of you steps in the road, speed up loudly and chase him back up on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> curb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peds have no rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it doesn't surprise you to see someone talking on their cell while
>>>>>> drinking
>>>>>> a coffee and driving with their knees.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you can't go more than a few blocks without hearing a horn beeped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, what drove me crazy, when I was at BLIND Inc, is I couldn't see
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> Dunkin Donuts, ATM or CVS within eyeshot at all times. I can't
>>>>>> literally see
>>>>>>
>>>>>> them, however, you can't go more than a cupple blocks without passing
>>>>>> them,
>>>>>> and sometimes multiples of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:16 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just want cream pie and to say that I walked by the Combat Zone! I
>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>> a lot of Robin Cook.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:22 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am definitely not that old, however, that song is so heavily
>>>>>>>> entrenched
>>>>>>>> in Boston lore, that even I know it. lol.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you want croudes and crowds of people, come to Boston.
>>>>>>>> Sometimes,
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I go out, at 2 or 3 in the morning, the sidewalks are still
>>>>>>>> crowded.
>>>>>>>> Figure that. And, it's nothing like New York or DC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak"
>>>>>>>> <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s or
>>>>>>>>> early
>>>>>>>>> 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio. So, yeah, anyone
>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>> at least 55 would remember it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are
>>>>>>>>> compared
>>>>>>>>> to San Diego. Sometimes I really have to look hard for a crowded
>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>> to give Landon crowd practise. Usually street fairs work well and
>>>>>>>>> sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in port and it
>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>> wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the temps are in the
>>>>>>>>> mid
>>>>>>>>> 70s during the summer. Most people drive here and don't walk - or
>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it is hard to walk some places because Southern California is so
>>>>>>>>> geared
>>>>>>>>> to cars rather than walking, biking, or puplic transportation.
>>>>>>>>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to watch
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for Hillcrest -
>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>> there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lol. True. Funny how so many people from all over the country
>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>> about this song.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>>>>>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown
>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>> day!
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost $7.00
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat, just
>>>>>>>>>>>> under 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and whatnot.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Parking at one of the T stations is also quite expensive.
>>>>>>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>>>>>> parking in the city can run up to $50 a day depending ware u
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> parking. At the parking lot next to my doarm it is $30 a day.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Prices
>>>>>>>>>>>> around hear are ridiculous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15 cense
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Charley
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>> life,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I put
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince my
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dad to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reactions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wwell!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> returning!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cared
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of cocky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1981,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keepper!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and had
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transportation at
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind. I could get around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Halloween
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I felt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I realized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cautious
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BECAUSE I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and mobility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crowd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> killed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my eyes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I still do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrestle a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow-witted, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capable,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mostly) less
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human being than if you are not. Better to be thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drunk. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hiking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thing is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20/200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurt a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquaintances
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mental
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> midget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they saw
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs? I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backups
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hang
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strap
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outrage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite snug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their! I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> station
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stolen a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair.It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face.I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happening to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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