[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Tue Dec 27 22:52:41 UTC 2011 

Some of those Michael Jordan shoes? LOL. I think I had better go away. LOL.

On Dec 27, 2011, at 4:49 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:

> Well, she could stop in Michigan to refuel!  And get more shoes!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> 
> 
>> Tami, it's a long walk to New York, isn't it? LOL. Oh, guess that wasn't quite what you said.
>> 
>> On Dec 27, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
>> 
>>> Take me with you! We had to put off our dream to do the long trip across and around the US for another year, at least, but I am still just dying to do Boston! And New Yok, of course. When we talk about our much-lanned but still delayed trip, I make sure DD is under no delusions that when I say Do Boston or Do New York, I am not talking about a drive by! I mean a couple of weeks, on our feet and on the go anywhere and everywhere!
>>> 
>>> He's a driver, not a walker, so he does a lot of noncommittal grumping at this point. Okay! Then you can drive and meet us places you want to go. Mitzi and I are going to take off and walk! /lol/
>>> 
>>> Can't wait!
>>> 
>>> Tami
>>> 
>>> On 12/27/2011 02:16 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>>> All this Boston talk makes me wish I could afford to go visit for a week
>>>> or so - preferably during the LGBT Pride so I couold see all my old
>>>> friends!
>>>> 
>>>> Landon and I would fit in with our Irish red coloring. When I visited
>>>> Boston last, I still had Jacob and he enjoyed working in Boston.
>>>> 
>>>> So, the Combat Zone is no more????? How did that happen - a miracle for
>>>> sure. I used to go there with my boss for a few drinks as we enjoyed the
>>>> scenery...so to speak.
>>>> 
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:10 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> That's very funny, Mark.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My folks are from Boston, from Dorchester, excuse me
>>>>> "Dohchesteh".--smile.
>>>>> I have many stories of how Floridians misunderstood their accent since I
>>>>> grew up here in Florida and my folks of course were here having moved
>>>>> down
>>>>> in 1962.
>>>>> .
>>>>> One time my Mom was explaining that I was born with a problem with my
>>>>> heart...the Southern lady she was talking to couldn't understand why I
>>>>> was
>>>>> born with problems with my hat..."hat", she asked incredulously, ,
>>>>> "like on
>>>>> your head?"
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suppose to keep this slightly dog-related, I've been to Boston, but
>>>>> not in
>>>>> the eighteen years I've had guide dogs.
>>>>> I liked the city when I visited, but that was when I was thirteen in
>>>>> 1983.
>>>>> Those of you with keen math minds will figure out by that one sentence
>>>>> how
>>>>> old I am--lol.
>>>>> I enjoyed Cambridge, there were so many characters around there, I
>>>>> loved it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dan the man and Carter the nut
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:17 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>> 
>>>>> Larry,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Boston Cream Pie is delicious, however the combat zone is no more. Thank
>>>>> god. Boston has gentrified out a lot in the past several years. Also,
>>>>> lots
>>>>> of suburban kids are moving back to the city displacing lots of blue
>>>>> collar
>>>>> workers. Boston doesn't have the feal preserved in books and movies
>>>>> like the
>>>>> town. That is the boston of 20 years ago or more. The Boston of when my
>>>>> parents were my age.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, a true Boston accent is something else. Sometimes, to
>>>>> Midwesterners, I sound like I have the accent; however you have to
>>>>> listen to
>>>>> one of the real old-timers, one of the old shipyard workers, or
>>>>> another of
>>>>> the blue collar working boys to really get a feel for the accent.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> In Boston you do not recognize the letter "R" as a part of the English
>>>>> language. We only have 25 letters in the alphabet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You know you are from Boston if
>>>>> 
>>>>> You don't think you have an attitude.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You have no idea what the word compromise means.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You don't realize that you walk and talk twice as fast as everyone else.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The words 'WICKED' and 'GOOD' go together.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You own a "Yankees Suck" shirt or hat.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You wear dungaress, not jeans.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can't understand why anybody would not like fried clams.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4:15pm and pitch black out means there's just 3 more shopping days until
>>>>> Christmas
>>>>> 
>>>>> And, on that note, shopping is a contact sport
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Driving rules for boston
>>>>> 
>>>>> Whenever possible, stop in the middle of a crosswalk to ensure
>>>>> inconveniencing as many pedestrians as possible. And if a pedestrian
>>>>> ahead
>>>>> of you steps in the road, speed up loudly and chase him back up on the
>>>>> curb.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peds have no rights.
>>>>> 
>>>>> it doesn't surprise you to see someone talking on their cell while
>>>>> drinking
>>>>> a coffee and driving with their knees.
>>>>> 
>>>>> you can't go more than a few blocks without hearing a horn beeped.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, what drove me crazy, when I was at BLIND Inc, is I couldn't see a
>>>>> Dunkin Donuts, ATM or CVS within eyeshot at all times. I can't
>>>>> literally see
>>>>> 
>>>>> them, however, you can't go more than a cupple blocks without passing
>>>>> them,
>>>>> and sometimes multiples of them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:16 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just want cream pie and to say that I walked by the Combat Zone! I
>>>>>> read
>>>>>> a lot of Robin Cook.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:22 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am definitely not that old, however, that song is so heavily
>>>>>>> entrenched
>>>>>>> in Boston lore, that even I know it. lol.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you want croudes and crowds of people, come to Boston. Sometimes,
>>>>>>> when
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I go out, at 2 or 3 in the morning, the sidewalks are still crowded.
>>>>>>> Figure that. And, it's nothing like New York or DC.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak"
>>>>>>> <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s or
>>>>>>>> early
>>>>>>>> 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio. So, yeah, anyone over
>>>>>>>> at least 55 would remember it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are compared
>>>>>>>> to San Diego. Sometimes I really have to look hard for a crowded place
>>>>>>>> to give Landon crowd practise. Usually street fairs work well and
>>>>>>>> sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in port and it is a
>>>>>>>> wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the temps are in the mid
>>>>>>>> 70s during the summer. Most people drive here and don't walk - or
>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> it is hard to walk some places because Southern California is so
>>>>>>>> geared
>>>>>>>> to cars rather than walking, biking, or puplic transportation.
>>>>>>>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to watch out
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for Hillcrest - where
>>>>>>>> there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Lol. True. Funny how so many people from all over the country know
>>>>>>>>> about this song.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>>>>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown
>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>> day!
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I would
>>>>>>>>>>> assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost $7.00 to
>>>>>>>>>>> ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat, just
>>>>>>>>>>> under 2
>>>>>>>>>>> bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and whatnot.
>>>>>>>>>>> Parking at one of the T stations is also quite expensive. However,
>>>>>>>>>>> parking in the city can run up to $50 a day depending ware u are
>>>>>>>>>>> parking. At the parking lot next to my doarm it is $30 a day.
>>>>>>>>>>> Prices
>>>>>>>>>>> around hear are ridiculous.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
>>>>>>>>>>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was only
>>>>>>>>>>>> 15 cense
>>>>>>>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like that
>>>>>>>>>>>> now. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Charley
>>>>>>>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire
>>>>>>>>>>>> life,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> because I put
>>>>>>>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>> convince my
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> dad to
>>>>>>>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe the
>>>>>>>>>>>> reactions,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me no
>>>>>>>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to
>>>>>>>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wwell!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never returning!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cared
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of cocky that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in 1981,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by everyones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keepper!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and had
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to that, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transportation at
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was on quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school. There
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used canes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind. I could get around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Halloween
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past. I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I felt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I realized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cautious
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot BECAUSE I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and mobility. the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crowd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> killed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found it
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my eyes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I still do use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrestle a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow-witted, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capable,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mostly) less
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human being than if you are not. Better to be thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drunk. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we went
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the terrain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thing is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20/200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavier.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My arm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurt a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquaintances
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mental
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> midget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they saw
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the one I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs? I
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backups
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't hang
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strap
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the outrage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite snug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not their! I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> station
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very Long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a wheelchair.It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face.I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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