[nagdu] Victim or Advocate?

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Thu Dec 29 21:07:48 UTC 2011 

Doug, that's right!  My thing is those who pass off there dogs as service 
dogs when they're not!  But, I think that if we crack down on thos who 
whine, we may also do a disservice to those who are just speaking out.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Parisian" <eggmann at shaw.ca>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Victim or Advocate?


> Marion, of exactly what are you trying to convince me anyway?
>
> I supposed I could dig up my original message (probably deleted by now) 
> and run an in depth word by word analysis and apply all possible 
> interpretations in an attempt to comprehend some of this way over the top 
> nonsensical reaction.
>
> Despite not walling in the blindness and/or disabled ghetto industry, I 
> have worked with dogs for the past 35 years and actually taken 
> discriminators and other such trash to court, and won too.  My concern is 
> that there are folks who as I said both in my first message and repeat 
> now, are simply determined to find a way to play victim.  If the shoe 
> fits, wear it, if not, discard it and move on.
>
> And, wasn't your NFB extremely anti-dog under the leadership of some 
> former unfortunate soul who mostly milked the blind followers for his own 
> aggrandisement and self glorification.  But then, I suppose marrying women 
> into slavery looks better, according to his espoused beliefs, than the 
> dignity of a well managed dog guide, go figure.
>
> Doug: Nobody loves me, everybody hates me, I'm going to the garden to eat 
> worms!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Victim or Advocate?
>
>
>> Doug,
>>    I appreciate your message. I would like to share an experience I had 
>> with a police officer working extra duty. Some friends of mine and I went 
>> to the dog track, I with my guide dog. This police officer advised me 
>> that I could not bring my dog into the facility because "it would 
>> distract the other dogs on the track". Though it sounds reasonable, it is 
>> illogical. Racing dogs are trained to chase the little rabbit (Rusty) and 
>> there are seven other dogs racing along side. Furthermore, there are 
>> hundreds, perhaps thousands, of screaming gamblers in the stands. To 
>> believe that one dog would cause a distraction is unreasonable.
>>    After I presented these arguments to the police officer, I invoked 
>> Florida law. (Florida has criminal remedies for discrimination.) I was 
>> told that law did not apply in this case, as the facility was a para 
>> mutual. I called the watch Commander and spent 30 minutes trying to 
>> convince him this was a violation of the law. He eventually contacted the 
>> race track whose manager told him service dogs were allowed. It just so 
>> happened that an inspector from the Department of Agriculture which 
>> regulates dog and horse racing facilities was on-site doing an 
>> inspection!
>>    The end result was that all of the members of my party were given free 
>> admission and two free drinks. Unfortunately, no winning tickets, though! 
>> The police officer was suspended for five days without pay.
>>    There are those places that believe the law does not apply in their 
>> circumstances and may have what sounds like very reasonable 
>> justifications for this belief. An informed consumer is the best 
>> advocate. This is the reason NAGDU has our hotline and strives to educate 
>> others about their rights and responsibilities.
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Doug Parisian" <eggmann at shaw.ca>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Victim or Advocate?
>>
>>
>>> Mostly correct; service animal control is very often the real issue.  We 
>>> need to understand that there are situations where the dog, even if it's 
>>> name is Feefee, can be a disturbance and possibly more than a little 
>>> upset to other animals.  Sounds like that fishy place might have been 
>>> one of those situations.  If the dog were not in the water with the 
>>> displayed (tortured) creatures, then there is no issue and the keepers 
>>> of the aquatic paradise are way beyond the pale.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Victim or Advocate?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi cindy unfortunately I wrote that post before checking it out 
>>>> thorougly because I'm in agreement with you and marion about all of 
>>>> this. The only thing I was speaking to was that a handler is 
>>>> responsible for his or her dog's behavior which I thought that was what 
>>>> doug was speaking about. I appoligize or the misunderstanding. I don't 
>>>> want service dogs barred from anywhere the public is allowed. In some 
>>>> ways it bothers me that churches are for example exempted from the law 
>>>> because the public is allowed in them. To me it doesn't make sense.
>>>>
>>>> Sheila Leiglan d
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