[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane

Tami Kinney tamara.8024 at comcast.net
Fri Dec 30 03:34:14 UTC 2011 

Can we still spend so much time talking about our dogs that we forget to 
spend time using our dogs? /grin/

Tami

On 12/29/2011 05:22 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
> Lyn,
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> That's a good plan. Let's do our job so well, we put ourselves out of
> business.
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>
>
>> You sound like a reasonable soul! If everyone accepted differences in
>> humans, we wouldn't need groups like NFB and all the tons of civil
>> rights groups that exist to fight for people's rights. We wouldn't
>> need NAGDU, either! LOL! Wouldn't that be grand! We'd actually have
>> time to live life and have fun with our dogs!
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 5:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>
>>
>>> Risking going way off topic for this list, it saddens me how some
>>> people don't accept differences in others.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In my opinion differences are irrelevant, so long as you are a good
>>> person who is responsible, follows the law, and most importantly
>>> pulls his or her own wait. Everything else is in my opinion irrelevant.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 7:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't think the LGBT parade would go throough Southie! LOL! It
>>>> wwent through parts of Beacon Hill, down Charles Street, Tremont
>>>> street to the festival in Boston Common. There may be a brave LGBT
>>>> contingent of gay Irish in the St. Pat's parade, though!
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of Southie, I remember Souoth Station had this real old
>>>> antique escolator there that no dog could ride on. I saw it once
>>>> when I didn't have a dog - scary! I imagine it is long gone and
>>>> relegated to a museum someplace.
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:20 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Got to love it when the LGBT parade marches threw South Boston.
>>>>> It's a predominantly Irish Catholic neighborhood, and the locals
>>>>> don't show much support.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak"
>>>>> <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 5:16 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> All this Boston talk makes me wish I could afford to go visit for
>>>>>> a week or so - preferably during the LGBT Pride so I couold see
>>>>>> all my old friends!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Landon and I would fit in with our Irish red coloring. When I
>>>>>> visited Boston last, I still had Jacob and he enjoyed working in
>>>>>> Boston.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, the Combat Zone is no more????? How did that happen - a
>>>>>> miracle for sure. I used to go there with my boss for a few drinks
>>>>>> as we enjoyed the scenery...so to speak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Weiner"
>>>>>> <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:10 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's very funny, Mark.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My folks are from Boston, from Dorchester, excuse me
>>>>>>> "Dohchesteh".--smile.
>>>>>>> I have many stories of how Floridians misunderstood their accent
>>>>>>> since I
>>>>>>> grew up here in Florida and my folks of course were here having
>>>>>>> moved down
>>>>>>> in 1962.
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> One time my Mom was explaining that I was born with a problem
>>>>>>> with my
>>>>>>> heart...the Southern lady she was talking to couldn't understand
>>>>>>> why I was
>>>>>>> born with problems with my hat..."hat", she asked incredulously,
>>>>>>> , "like on
>>>>>>> your head?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suppose to keep this slightly dog-related, I've been to Boston,
>>>>>>> but not in
>>>>>>> the eighteen years I've had guide dogs.
>>>>>>> I liked the city when I visited, but that was when I was thirteen
>>>>>>> in 1983.
>>>>>>> Those of you with keen math minds will figure out by that one
>>>>>>> sentence how
>>>>>>> old I am--lol.
>>>>>>> I enjoyed Cambridge, there were so many characters around there,
>>>>>>> I loved it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan the man and Carter the nut
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:17 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Larry,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Boston Cream Pie is delicious, however the combat zone is no
>>>>>>> more. Thank
>>>>>>> god. Boston has gentrified out a lot in the past several years.
>>>>>>> Also, lots
>>>>>>> of suburban kids are moving back to the city displacing lots of
>>>>>>> blue collar
>>>>>>> workers. Boston doesn't have the feal preserved in books and
>>>>>>> movies like the
>>>>>>> town. That is the boston of 20 years ago or more. The Boston of
>>>>>>> when my
>>>>>>> parents were my age.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, a true Boston accent is something else. Sometimes, to
>>>>>>> Midwesterners, I sound like I have the accent; however you have
>>>>>>> to listen to
>>>>>>> one of the real old-timers, one of the old shipyard workers, or
>>>>>>> another of
>>>>>>> the blue collar working boys to really get a feel for the accent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Boston you do not recognize the letter "R" as a part of the
>>>>>>> English
>>>>>>> language. We only have 25 letters in the alphabet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know you are from Boston if
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't think you have an attitude.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have no idea what the word compromise means.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't realize that you walk and talk twice as fast as
>>>>>>> everyone else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The words 'WICKED' and 'GOOD' go together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You own a "Yankees Suck" shirt or hat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You wear dungaress, not jeans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can't understand why anybody would not like fried clams.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4:15pm and pitch black out means there's just 3 more shopping
>>>>>>> days until
>>>>>>> Christmas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, on that note, shopping is a contact sport
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Driving rules for boston
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whenever possible, stop in the middle of a crosswalk to ensure
>>>>>>> inconveniencing as many pedestrians as possible. And if a
>>>>>>> pedestrian ahead
>>>>>>> of you steps in the road, speed up loudly and chase him back up
>>>>>>> on the curb.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peds have no rights.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it doesn't surprise you to see someone talking on their cell
>>>>>>> while drinking
>>>>>>> a coffee and driving with their knees.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you can't go more than a few blocks without hearing a horn beeped.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, what drove me crazy, when I was at BLIND Inc, is I couldn't
>>>>>>> see a
>>>>>>> Dunkin Donuts, ATM or CVS within eyeshot at all times. I can't
>>>>>>> literally see
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> them, however, you can't go more than a cupple blocks without
>>>>>>> passing them,
>>>>>>> and sometimes multiples of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:16 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just want cream pie and to say that I walked by the Combat
>>>>>>>> Zone! I read
>>>>>>>> a lot of Robin Cook.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:22 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am definitely not that old, however, that song is so heavily
>>>>>>>>> entrenched
>>>>>>>>> in Boston lore, that even I know it. lol.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you want croudes and crowds of people, come to Boston.
>>>>>>>>> Sometimes, when
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I go out, at 2 or 3 in the morning, the sidewalks are still
>>>>>>>>> crowded.
>>>>>>>>> Figure that. And, it's nothing like New York or DC.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak"
>>>>>>>>> <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s
>>>>>>>>>> or early
>>>>>>>>>> 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio. So, yeah,
>>>>>>>>>> anyone over
>>>>>>>>>> at least 55 would remember it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are
>>>>>>>>>> compared
>>>>>>>>>> to San Diego. Sometimes I really have to look hard for a
>>>>>>>>>> crowded place
>>>>>>>>>> to give Landon crowd practise. Usually street fairs work well and
>>>>>>>>>> sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in port and
>>>>>>>>>> it is a
>>>>>>>>>> wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the temps are in
>>>>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>>>>> 70s during the summer. Most people drive here and don't walk -
>>>>>>>>>> or rather
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it is hard to walk some places because Southern California is
>>>>>>>>>> so geared
>>>>>>>>>> to cars rather than walking, biking, or puplic transportation.
>>>>>>>>>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to
>>>>>>>>>> watch out for
>>>>>>>>>> than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for Hillcrest
>>>>>>>>>> - where
>>>>>>>>>> there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lol. True. Funny how so many people from all over the country
>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>> about this song.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>>>>>>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>> thrown every
>>>>>>>>>>>> day!
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>> $7.00 to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just under 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatnot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Parking at one of the T stations is also quite expensive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> parking in the city can run up to $50 a day depending ware
>>>>>>>>>>>>> u are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> parking. At the parking lot next to my doarm it is $30 a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> day. Prices
>>>>>>>>>>>>> around hear are ridiculous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15 cense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Charley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entire life,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince my
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dad to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observe the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reactions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to me no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MTA as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wwell!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks liked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> returning!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really cared
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cocky that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1981,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keepper!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boston and had
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transportation at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school. There
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had never
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could see
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind. I could get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Halloween
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concious and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me and my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> felt that I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can happen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identify them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cautious
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I made a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BECAUSE I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobility. the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the crowd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> killed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before using
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and found it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my eyes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still do use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrestle a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can. There are some people out there, believe it or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow-witted, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any number of other things, so long as no one thinks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capable,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mostly) less
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human being than if you are not. Better to be thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as blind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drunk. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he doesn't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Retinitis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we went
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hiking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thing is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20/200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is heavier.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over at a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My arm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurt a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> request a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquaintances
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some mental
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> midget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unfortunate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was new to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until they saw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to me. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your needs? I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few backups
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't hang
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ditto for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the strap
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outrage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shopping the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holster type
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite snug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out.When I left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their! I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> station
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with me is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stolen a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB cane as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very Long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair.It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face.I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happening to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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