[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane

Fri Dec 30 04:01:01 UTC 2011

Never!  I both talk about and use Holly as often as possible!  I sure do get 
talked about more though!  Tuesday, I went bowling and I don't know why but 
they always leave the main door to the men's room open so that folks can 
peak in there I guess!  Anyway, I was in there and Holly was looking under 
the stall.  A younge boy hollered Mommie!  Someones dog is in there!  Mom 
said do you think its nice?  The boy replied that it looked cute and fuzzy! 
Mom seemed worried so I said she was a service dog.  I think that scared her 
more than hearing about the dog!  I guessed I worried her because her son 
didn't come in.  I thaught it was funny that my voice seemed to scare her 
more than the news of the dog!  Who did she think was in the men's room 
anyway?  Surely not a Holly!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane


> Can we still spend so much time talking about our dogs that we forget to 
> spend time using our dogs? /grin/
>
> Tami
>
> On 12/29/2011 05:22 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>> Lyn,
>>
>>
>>
>> That's a good plan. Let's do our job so well, we put ourselves out of
>> business.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>
>>
>>> You sound like a reasonable soul! If everyone accepted differences in
>>> humans, we wouldn't need groups like NFB and all the tons of civil
>>> rights groups that exist to fight for people's rights. We wouldn't
>>> need NAGDU, either! LOL! Wouldn't that be grand! We'd actually have
>>> time to live life and have fun with our dogs!
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 5:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>
>>>
>>>> Risking going way off topic for this list, it saddens me how some
>>>> people don't accept differences in others.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion differences are irrelevant, so long as you are a good
>>>> person who is responsible, follows the law, and most importantly
>>>> pulls his or her own wait. Everything else is in my opinion irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak" 
>>>> <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 7:12 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think the LGBT parade would go throough Southie! LOL! It
>>>>> wwent through parts of Beacon Hill, down Charles Street, Tremont
>>>>> street to the festival in Boston Common. There may be a brave LGBT
>>>>> contingent of gay Irish in the St. Pat's parade, though!
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking of Southie, I remember Souoth Station had this real old
>>>>> antique escolator there that no dog could ride on. I saw it once
>>>>> when I didn't have a dog - scary! I imagine it is long gone and
>>>>> relegated to a museum someplace.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Got to love it when the LGBT parade marches threw South Boston.
>>>>>> It's a predominantly Irish Catholic neighborhood, and the locals
>>>>>> don't show much support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak"
>>>>>> <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 5:16 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All this Boston talk makes me wish I could afford to go visit for
>>>>>>> a week or so - preferably during the LGBT Pride so I couold see
>>>>>>> all my old friends!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Landon and I would fit in with our Irish red coloring. When I
>>>>>>> visited Boston last, I still had Jacob and he enjoyed working in
>>>>>>> Boston.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, the Combat Zone is no more????? How did that happen - a
>>>>>>> miracle for sure. I used to go there with my boss for a few drinks
>>>>>>> as we enjoyed the scenery...so to speak.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Weiner"
>>>>>>> <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:10 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's very funny, Mark.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My folks are from Boston, from Dorchester, excuse me
>>>>>>>> "Dohchesteh".--smile.
>>>>>>>> I have many stories of how Floridians misunderstood their accent
>>>>>>>> since I
>>>>>>>> grew up here in Florida and my folks of course were here having
>>>>>>>> moved down
>>>>>>>> in 1962.
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> One time my Mom was explaining that I was born with a problem
>>>>>>>> with my
>>>>>>>> heart...the Southern lady she was talking to couldn't understand
>>>>>>>> why I was
>>>>>>>> born with problems with my hat..."hat", she asked incredulously,
>>>>>>>> , "like on
>>>>>>>> your head?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suppose to keep this slightly dog-related, I've been to Boston,
>>>>>>>> but not in
>>>>>>>> the eighteen years I've had guide dogs.
>>>>>>>> I liked the city when I visited, but that was when I was thirteen
>>>>>>>> in 1983.
>>>>>>>> Those of you with keen math minds will figure out by that one
>>>>>>>> sentence how
>>>>>>>> old I am--lol.
>>>>>>>> I enjoyed Cambridge, there were so many characters around there,
>>>>>>>> I loved it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dan the man and Carter the nut
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:17 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Larry,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Boston Cream Pie is delicious, however the combat zone is no
>>>>>>>> more. Thank
>>>>>>>> god. Boston has gentrified out a lot in the past several years.
>>>>>>>> Also, lots
>>>>>>>> of suburban kids are moving back to the city displacing lots of
>>>>>>>> blue collar
>>>>>>>> workers. Boston doesn't have the feal preserved in books and
>>>>>>>> movies like the
>>>>>>>> town. That is the boston of 20 years ago or more. The Boston of
>>>>>>>> when my
>>>>>>>> parents were my age.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, a true Boston accent is something else. Sometimes, to
>>>>>>>> Midwesterners, I sound like I have the accent; however you have
>>>>>>>> to listen to
>>>>>>>> one of the real old-timers, one of the old shipyard workers, or
>>>>>>>> another of
>>>>>>>> the blue collar working boys to really get a feel for the accent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In Boston you do not recognize the letter "R" as a part of the
>>>>>>>> English
>>>>>>>> language. We only have 25 letters in the alphabet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You know you are from Boston if
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't think you have an attitude.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have no idea what the word compromise means.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't realize that you walk and talk twice as fast as
>>>>>>>> everyone else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The words 'WICKED' and 'GOOD' go together.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You own a "Yankees Suck" shirt or hat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You wear dungaress, not jeans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can't understand why anybody would not like fried clams.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4:15pm and pitch black out means there's just 3 more shopping
>>>>>>>> days until
>>>>>>>> Christmas
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And, on that note, shopping is a contact sport
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Driving rules for boston
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whenever possible, stop in the middle of a crosswalk to ensure
>>>>>>>> inconveniencing as many pedestrians as possible. And if a
>>>>>>>> pedestrian ahead
>>>>>>>> of you steps in the road, speed up loudly and chase him back up
>>>>>>>> on the curb.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peds have no rights.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it doesn't surprise you to see someone talking on their cell
>>>>>>>> while drinking
>>>>>>>> a coffee and driving with their knees.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you can't go more than a few blocks without hearing a horn beeped.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, what drove me crazy, when I was at BLIND Inc, is I couldn't
>>>>>>>> see a
>>>>>>>> Dunkin Donuts, ATM or CVS within eyeshot at all times. I can't
>>>>>>>> literally see
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> them, however, you can't go more than a cupple blocks without
>>>>>>>> passing them,
>>>>>>>> and sometimes multiples of them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>>>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:16 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just want cream pie and to say that I walked by the Combat
>>>>>>>>> Zone! I read
>>>>>>>>> a lot of Robin Cook.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:22 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am definitely not that old, however, that song is so heavily
>>>>>>>>>> entrenched
>>>>>>>>>> in Boston lore, that even I know it. lol.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you want croudes and crowds of people, come to Boston.
>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes, when
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I go out, at 2 or 3 in the morning, the sidewalks are still
>>>>>>>>>> crowded.
>>>>>>>>>> Figure that. And, it's nothing like New York or DC.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak"
>>>>>>>>>> <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s
>>>>>>>>>>> or early
>>>>>>>>>>> 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio. So, yeah,
>>>>>>>>>>> anyone over
>>>>>>>>>>> at least 55 would remember it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are
>>>>>>>>>>> compared
>>>>>>>>>>> to San Diego. Sometimes I really have to look hard for a
>>>>>>>>>>> crowded place
>>>>>>>>>>> to give Landon crowd practise. Usually street fairs work well 
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in port and
>>>>>>>>>>> it is a
>>>>>>>>>>> wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the temps are in
>>>>>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>>>>>> 70s during the summer. Most people drive here and don't walk -
>>>>>>>>>>> or rather
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it is hard to walk some places because Southern California is
>>>>>>>>>>> so geared
>>>>>>>>>>> to cars rather than walking, biking, or puplic transportation.
>>>>>>>>>>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to
>>>>>>>>>>> watch out for
>>>>>>>>>>> than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for Hillcrest
>>>>>>>>>>> - where
>>>>>>>>>>> there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lol. True. Funny how so many people from all over the country
>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>> about this song.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thrown every
>>>>>>>>>>>>> day!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $7.00 to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just under 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatnot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Parking at one of the T stations is also quite expensive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parking in the city can run up to $50 a day depending ware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parking. At the parking lot next to my doarm it is $30 a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day. Prices
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around hear are ridiculous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15 cense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Charley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entire life,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince my
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dad to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observe the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reactions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to me no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MTA as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wwell!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks liked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> returning!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really cared
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cocky that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1981,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keepper!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boston and had
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transportation at
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school. There
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had never
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could see
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind. I could get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Halloween
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concious and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me and my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> felt that I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can happen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identify them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cautious
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I made a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BECAUSE I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobility. the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the crowd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> killed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before using
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and found it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my eyes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still do use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrestle a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can. There are some people out there, believe it or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow-witted, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any number of other things, so long as no one thinks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capable,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mostly) less
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human being than if you are not. Better to be thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as blind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drunk. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he doesn't
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Retinitis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we went
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hiking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thing is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20/200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is heavier.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over at a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My arm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurt a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> request a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquaintances
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some mental
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> midget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unfortunate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was new to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until they saw
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to me. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your needs? I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few backups
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't hang
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ditto for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the strap
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outrage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shopping the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holster type
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite snug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out.When I left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their! I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> station
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with me is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stolen a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB cane as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very Long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair.It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face.I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happening to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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