[nagdu] Victim or Advocate?

Fri Dec 30 13:57:03 UTC 2011

Yes but people aren't talking about the original topic, and are just putting either gripping or griping and didn't look at the whole picture.  It is what is going on, and not just for my vacation. This is to let you meaning "NAGDU" know what goes on in the outside world.
This is my job to to, I am out there working, this was a working trip, I was on a graduation cruise, and I wasn't just partying and dancing and eating, we were working, over 100+ travel agents were with me, and when this was going on, I never even stepped foot at the Dolphin Encounter, this was going on while I was sitting in the Office of the Excursion Manager on the Cruise Ship and also the Hotel Director, or the Big Cheese of the Cruise Ship, on the phone while I was sitting there, having this place explain to them that if they are offering things to there passengers, that it is offered to all, and not to pick and choose.  My big issue was that, they were going to allow it this once, which to me was really low, I don't do anything unless all can do it, we were on conference call for over an hour going over this, and I said when I got home that I would be in touch with the Government of the Bahamas to see what exactly if anything they are violating.
I had also mentioned on the phone over and over again, that I had to have a permit and a health certificate, plus I was on a cruise, so the cruise line even said, that if the dog wasn't healthy they weren't going to risk the health of there guests.
Seems like they couldn't get themselves out of the hole.
I post what I do with my Maxx, whether I decide to take him some place or not.
I will be posting on both NAGDU and Travel and Tourism about our latest adventure yesterday at the New Resorts World Casino, here in Queens, New York at the Aquaduct Raceway, if anyone has been there or knows about the Aquaduct, it is here on Long Island, and it is the Newest Casino.
So, I will be posting it shortly.
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Cheryl Echevarria
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> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:39:46 -0600
> From: julielj at neb.rr.com
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Victim or Advocate?
> 
> Cheryl,
> 
> I think there are two things going on here.  First your post about your 
> experience in the Bahamas prompted a discussion about the difference 
> between being a victim and an advocate.  It isn't a reflection on your 
> post.  It's like all the news articles and similar content on this 
> list.  We start out talking about brand X of dog food, which migrates to 
> a discussion about dog nutrition, which turns into a discussion about 
> veterinary care, which migrates to a discussion about discounts for 
> guide dogs.  Discounts at the vet have absolutely nothing to do with the 
> initial person's question about what brand of dog food to feed.  It was 
> a jumping off point for discussion, nothing more.
> 
> The second thing I think is happening is that the words gripping and 
> griping are being used interchangeably.   The spelling is very close, 
> but the words are very different.  I think it's causing some confusion 
> about what is actually meant vs. what is typed.
> 
> You did nothing wrong by posting your experience on your vacation.   I 
> think it has prompted some interesting discussion, both about the 
> original topic and several tangents.
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/29/2011 6:50 AM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
> > I wasn't gripping about anything, I was posting an update of what happened on my trip to the Bahamas, and reporting to the NAGDU list, actually this was an update, I also posted this to my travel and tourism division website.
> > I am a travel agent, and a guide dog users, gripping really, wow!!
> > I have been a loyal member of this division for years, and not happy with that last posting.
> > Leaving and coming back and wondering if it is all worth posting anything to this list.
> > You all want to know what is and isn't accessible, and no we can't change what people in other countries do, it is there country, they same with religious beliefs. I think many people think because they have a dog they can do what they like.
> > I was doing my job reporting issues about what went on when I traveled with my guide dog, other than the issues with the Dolphin Encounter shore excursion, we had a marvelous time in the Bahamas and on the cruise.
> > Hope you all have a Happy New Year!
> >
> >
> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > http://www.echevarriatravel.com
> > 631-456-5394
> > reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> >
> > For daily updates read our blog at
> > http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:33:45 -0800
> >> From: tamara.8024 at comcast.net
> >> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Victim or Advocate?
> >>
> >> Cheryl,
> >>
> >> Look at the bright side: You are a gripping educator. /grin/
> >>
> >> The dialogue about victim vs. advocate did start with observations on
> >> your informational posting. This does not negate the value of the
> >> information.
> >>
> >> For myself, I'm finding this philosophical discussion educational, when
> >> it's not just interesting. /smile/ Since the Bahamas are not America,
> >> the ADA the majority of us live under does not apply. But this does seem
> >> to be a good way to work out our mutual in separate understanding of our
> >> own responsibilities and our rights alike. So that is something I see as
> >> good.
> >>
> >> I'm still pondering my own thinking and philosophy... Or maybe how to
> >> express it, what is important, what is just my own 'tude, etc. So then I
> >> am thinking about the foundation of my life and comings and goings as a
> >> guide dog user, which is never bad, either. I get nuts because I think
> >> it should all be so simple, but it's about people, as in humans, so
> >> we're just not simple. /smile/
> >>
> >> I will be waiting for the updated information, too. The technical and
> >> scientific ins and outs regarding zoonotic diseases are fascinating to
> >> me, as are the implications to us or anyone whose rights are affected by
> >> assumptions and lore about such diseases and fears of contamination vs.
> >> what is known to be real.
> >>
> >> So it all works for me! /grin/
> >>
> >> Tami
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/28/2011 02:42 PM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
> >>> What are we all talking about as a victim or Advocate, in this instance, I never went there because of this, and since I am an advocate, I posted on NAGDU what was going on, so the next time someone wants to go to the Bahamas and wants to go swimming with a dolphin, which I will be going back to the Bahamas in April, we will have the correct information.
> >>> If I am taking this out of content, I apologize, but my posting was not gripping, it was educating.
> >>>
> >>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> >>>
> >>> Cheryl Echevarria
> >>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
> >>> 631-456-5394
> >>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> >>>
> >>> For daily updates read our blog at
> >>> http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com
> >>>
> >>>> From: solsticesinger at gmail.com
> >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:35:42 -0500
> >>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Victim or Advocate?
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree that there are people who decide to do something because they have the right to do it, but then, not act responsibly. The example Sheila gives of a dog wandering around a business is a good example of this. If we don't want to be denied access, we have to make sure that our guides are clean, quiet, and not disruptive to the goings-on of the establishment.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for people who like to play the victim, I didn't think this applied to people who were advocating for their rights. I think it's more that there are people who will find fault with every single thing that happens to them. You know, the kind of people for whom nothing is good enough. People who will have fifteen refusals in a year, living in a big city where most other people are lucky to have two or three.
> >>>>
> >>>> Shannon and Caroline
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> >>>>
> >>>> On Dec 28, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Sheila Leigland wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Doug actually i think you are right on this one. I know of someone that would take a guide dog and let it walk around because oh It likes to see everyone but I was told by an employee of a buisness that the dog took off out of the door and she had to go catch the dog. They wondered why I didn't let my dog wander and I told them it was improper behavior and not to accept improper behavior like that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sheila Leiglan	d
> >>>>>
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