[nagdu] new guide dog.

alex aaatlantic at aol.com
Sun Feb 6 00:47:35 UTC 2011 

thank you Tami,
may I ask where did you get your poodle from?  
On 2011-02-05, at 7:40 PM, Tamara Smith-Kinney wrote:

> Well said, Marsha!
> 
> Alex, congratulations!
> 
> It is true, we have been discussing some possibly questionable behavior by
> Fidelco towards some consumers.  We also have happy Fidelco graduates, like
> Hope, some of them repeat graduates and at least who is, if I recall
> correctly, in the process of retiring a current Fidelco dog and returning
> there for a replacement.  We're not here to make your decisions for you or
> to go around slamming guide dog programs, but the information that there are
> questions might be useful to you if you wish to know more.
> 
> Don't worry.  If you were headed for certain doom, we would just go ahead
> and tell you. /grin/  We would, of course, respectfully leave the choice of
> whether to walk off the cliff entirely up to you.  It would at least be an
> informed choice! /lol/
> 
> As for reading the archives...  It's probably not my place to say this, but
> it's been pretty hectic on this list lately, and the dust is still settling
> after some problems caused by a troller -- if that term is even in use
> anymore.  That's somebody who joins a discussion to cause trouble and tick
> people off and stuff, then gets kicked out of the group and comes back under
> a different name, and so on.  The moderators and others in leadership have
> gotten this troller permanently out of hair, but recent archives are no
> doubt pretty messy and not representative of us as a group.  /smile/
> 
> Anyway, welcome and best wishes.  I am looking to hear more from you as you
> go.  As for me,  I am still on my first guide, an owner-trained poodle named
> Mitzi.  She has just turned the corner from 4-1/2 to almost 5, and I am
> enjoying the experience of being an experienced (by my own lights) guide dog
> handler with a mature, experienced dog.  Relative to this time last year,
> and we just won't talk about the year before that...  Or the year before
> that ...  /lol/  We have had a fun adventure together, but I am glad to be
> able to just sit back and enjoy the ride for awhile.  /smile/
> Owner-trainer, if that is a new term to you, means that I trained the dog I
> own.  Some people use the term self-trained dog instead of owner-trained
> dog...  But not if they've actually done it.  /grin/  As we owner-trainers
> like to remind people, the dogs don't train themselves!  /grin/  
> 
> Who retains legal ownership of the guide dog upon graduation at this time
> varies from program to program.  It is true that at this time Fidelco does
> retain legal ownership of the guide after you graduation from their training
> and return home.  I apologize that I can't remember specifics.  Some
> programs retain legal ownership for a specific period of time, some for the
> life of the dog (could be wrong there, but I think there is or has been
> one), others something in between.  Only two programs currently grant legal
> ownership of the dog upon graduation from the program.
> 
> Since I trained my own dog, I suppose I don't need to clarify my preference
> on that score.  /smile/  Others feel differently and make their choices
> based on other factors.  
> 
> Changes in the overall system are another matter we all discuss, debate,
> argue, discuss...  /smile/  We're an opinionated lot here, but we do our
> best to respect others, except for when somebody gets excited about
> something and slips up there.  /smile/
> 
> Tami Smith-Kinney
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 12:05 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] new guide dog.
> 
> Alex,
> 
> If you feel as a person who is about to get a guide from a program, and you
> have done all your homework, or in other words, you have made an informed
> choice. And that is what is best for you then, that is what you need to do.
> Yes there have been issues with Fidelco as of recently. But what is true for
> the other people have issues with, may not be the same for you. Just like
> some those on this list do not like GDB or TSE or Southeastern, it is your
> choice. No one on this list can not say that you should not get a dog from
> any program, but the ONLY point I will agree with Peter on is, that you
> should read the archives of the list. So you know what the issues of Fidelco
> have been. Again this is informed choice. But if you have already seen the
> list messages concerning Fidelco, and know what your getting into, and that
> is what you want, and what you think is right to do, then go for it. This is
> the same for those who do not like GDB, TSE or whatever school. We all have
> our opinions, and others should respect that. 
> 
> Marsha
> Co-Moderator 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of alex
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:43 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] new guide dog.
> 
> Peter are you saying that I should not get a guide dog from Fidelco?
> On 2011-02-05, at 1:01 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>>   You might also wish to read archives of this list concerning Fidelco's 
>> ownership policy before following through with your plans to get a dog
> from 
>> them. One way to stop the kind of behavior we've seen from our guide dog 
>> programs is if people stopped seeking their services and use programs that
> 
>> treat the blind in a more respectable fashion. Please consider this as a 
>> general comment not an attack against anyone. Thank you.
>> 
>> Peter Donahue
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 11:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] new guide dog.
>> 
>> 
>> What type of supplies are you looking for? Fidelco provides all the
>> equipment needed-- harness, leash, brush, comb,  stationing mat,
> sterilized
>> bone,  etc.
>> Hope and Beignet from Fidelcos
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "alex" <AAAtlantic at aol.com>
>> To: <NAGDU at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 11:43 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] new guide dog.
>> 
>> 
>>> hello all,
>>> I am going to get my second guide dog but this time from fidelco
> sometimes
>>> in march.  I am looking for websites that sales guide dog supplies.
>>> thank you all
>>> Alexander Atlantic
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