[nagdu] new guide dog.

Buddy Brannan buddy at brannan.name
Sun Feb 6 01:10:50 UTC 2011 

Hey Alex,

Here are a couple places I've used personally:

For dog food:
http://www.petfooddirect.com (use guidedog in the coupon code for a 15% discount)
Or
http://www.petflow.com (Even with their slightly higher prices, you may saea couple bucks over Pet Food Direct)

I have bought a crate here:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com
(Their site isn't the easiest thing to deal with, but it's OK)

Also, this one has great prices on toys and bones and stuff:
http://www.kingwholesale.com

--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



On Feb 5, 2011, at 7:47 PM, alex wrote:

> thank you Tami,
> may I ask where did you get your poodle from?  
> On 2011-02-05, at 7:40 PM, Tamara Smith-Kinney wrote:
> 
>> Well said, Marsha!
>> 
>> Alex, congratulations!
>> 
>> It is true, we have been discussing some possibly questionable behavior by
>> Fidelco towards some consumers.  We also have happy Fidelco graduates, like
>> Hope, some of them repeat graduates and at least who is, if I recall
>> correctly, in the process of retiring a current Fidelco dog and returning
>> there for a replacement.  We're not here to make your decisions for you or
>> to go around slamming guide dog programs, but the information that there are
>> questions might be useful to you if you wish to know more.
>> 
>> Don't worry.  If you were headed for certain doom, we would just go ahead
>> and tell you. /grin/  We would, of course, respectfully leave the choice of
>> whether to walk off the cliff entirely up to you.  It would at least be an
>> informed choice! /lol/
>> 
>> As for reading the archives...  It's probably not my place to say this, but
>> it's been pretty hectic on this list lately, and the dust is still settling
>> after some problems caused by a troller -- if that term is even in use
>> anymore.  That's somebody who joins a discussion to cause trouble and tick
>> people off and stuff, then gets kicked out of the group and comes back under
>> a different name, and so on.  The moderators and others in leadership have
>> gotten this troller permanently out of hair, but recent archives are no
>> doubt pretty messy and not representative of us as a group.  /smile/
>> 
>> Anyway, welcome and best wishes.  I am looking to hear more from you as you
>> go.  As for me,  I am still on my first guide, an owner-trained poodle named
>> Mitzi.  She has just turned the corner from 4-1/2 to almost 5, and I am
>> enjoying the experience of being an experienced (by my own lights) guide dog
>> handler with a mature, experienced dog.  Relative to this time last year,
>> and we just won't talk about the year before that...  Or the year before
>> that ...  /lol/  We have had a fun adventure together, but I am glad to be
>> able to just sit back and enjoy the ride for awhile.  /smile/
>> Owner-trainer, if that is a new term to you, means that I trained the dog I
>> own.  Some people use the term self-trained dog instead of owner-trained
>> dog...  But not if they've actually done it.  /grin/  As we owner-trainers
>> like to remind people, the dogs don't train themselves!  /grin/  
>> 
>> Who retains legal ownership of the guide dog upon graduation at this time
>> varies from program to program.  It is true that at this time Fidelco does
>> retain legal ownership of the guide after you graduation from their training
>> and return home.  I apologize that I can't remember specifics.  Some
>> programs retain legal ownership for a specific period of time, some for the
>> life of the dog (could be wrong there, but I think there is or has been
>> one), others something in between.  Only two programs currently grant legal
>> ownership of the dog upon graduation from the program.
>> 
>> Since I trained my own dog, I suppose I don't need to clarify my preference
>> on that score.  /smile/  Others feel differently and make their choices
>> based on other factors.  
>> 
>> Changes in the overall system are another matter we all discuss, debate,
>> argue, discuss...  /smile/  We're an opinionated lot here, but we do our
>> best to respect others, except for when somebody gets excited about
>> something and slips up there.  /smile/
>> 
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Marsha Drenth
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 12:05 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] new guide dog.
>> 
>> Alex,
>> 
>> If you feel as a person who is about to get a guide from a program, and you
>> have done all your homework, or in other words, you have made an informed
>> choice. And that is what is best for you then, that is what you need to do.
>> Yes there have been issues with Fidelco as of recently. But what is true for
>> the other people have issues with, may not be the same for you. Just like
>> some those on this list do not like GDB or TSE or Southeastern, it is your
>> choice. No one on this list can not say that you should not get a dog from
>> any program, but the ONLY point I will agree with Peter on is, that you
>> should read the archives of the list. So you know what the issues of Fidelco
>> have been. Again this is informed choice. But if you have already seen the
>> list messages concerning Fidelco, and know what your getting into, and that
>> is what you want, and what you think is right to do, then go for it. This is
>> the same for those who do not like GDB, TSE or whatever school. We all have
>> our opinions, and others should respect that. 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> Co-Moderator 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of alex
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:43 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] new guide dog.
>> 
>> Peter are you saying that I should not get a guide dog from Fidelco?
>> On 2011-02-05, at 1:01 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>>  You might also wish to read archives of this list concerning Fidelco's 
>>> ownership policy before following through with your plans to get a dog
>> from 
>>> them. One way to stop the kind of behavior we've seen from our guide dog 
>>> programs is if people stopped seeking their services and use programs that
>> 
>>> treat the blind in a more respectable fashion. Please consider this as a 
>>> general comment not an attack against anyone. Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Peter Donahue
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 11:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] new guide dog.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What type of supplies are you looking for? Fidelco provides all the
>>> equipment needed-- harness, leash, brush, comb,  stationing mat,
>> sterilized
>>> bone,  etc.
>>> Hope and Beignet from Fidelcos
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "alex" <AAAtlantic at aol.com>
>>> To: <NAGDU at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 11:43 AM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] new guide dog.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> hello all,
>>>> I am going to get my second guide dog but this time from fidelco
>> sometimes
>>>> in march.  I am looking for websites that sales guide dog supplies.
>>>> thank you all
>>>> Alexander Atlantic
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