[nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs

Sat Feb 19 12:04:24 UTC 2011

See? This kind of thing is why some people think the muslim religion is a 
cold, hard and even cruel one. Disowning someone over a *GUIDE DOG?* I could 
see not allowing the dog in the houses of family members, etc, but disowning 
that person? That would be like a Baptist family disowning a family member 
for dancing, if you'll pardon the analogy. I had a different analogy in mind 
but didn't use it lest I offend anyone.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs

> There is someone here in NY that I had met at my first NFB convention in 
> Atlanta, she is a guide dog user, but no longer as an NFB member, she 
> lives here in NY. She is muslim from I think Pakistan, Margo may know of 
> her, Nooria Nodrat, she lost her vision when someone hit her in the head 
> with a brick and almost died.
>
> She got a guide dog, her family disowned her when she did.  Go figure! She 
> is starting her own organization for women, but she also runs in the New 
> York City Marathon as well.
>
> I miss her!
>
>
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>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Cindy Ray<mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
>  To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>  Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:52 PM
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs
>
>
>  Actually, thre are some Muslims who are getting dogs now. They are having 
> to do a lot of educating, but there are a few. They have a group on the 
> internet, but it is exclusive.
>
>  On Feb 18, 2011, at 6:29 PM, alex wrote:
>
>  > hi guys Alex Atlantic here.
>  > well if muslims cabs drivers have a problems with us riding in their 
> cars then they should not be driving cabs at all.  also I know a muslim 
> guy that wants a guide dog because of his muslim outlook he cannot have a 
> dog because they say that a dog is not pure.  so because of that is why 
> muslim person cannot have a dog.  but they can drink to me it does not 
> make any cents because drinking is against their faith.
>  >
>  > On Feb 18, 2011, at 6:51 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>  >
>  >> Is it just me, or does the washing unclean objects/body parts/etc. 
> seven times sound a little obsessive compulsive?
>  >> --
>  >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>  >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On Feb 18, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Lisa Irving wrote:
>  >>
>  >>>
>  >>> Hi Dan,
>  >>>
>  >>> It can be exasperating when some one perceives their religious 
> preferences supersede the law.
>  >>>
>  >>> I've discussed this matter; guide dogs riding in cabs driven by 
> Muslim cab drivers. A Muslim friend of mine explained to me their hand 
> washing rituals and why they frequently engage in this ritual. I get it. 
> She also told me that the drivers who are insistant  that they won't 
> transport a dog of any type, tends to be devout about his beliefs. 
> Nevertheless, she agrees with me that such beliefs should not over ride 
> laws. Together, we came up with a viable solution. I haven't been in a 
> position where I have tried this.
>  >>>
>  >>> I'm all right carrying handy wipes and offering them to the devout 
> Muslim. It's a gamble. The devout Muslim faith isn't going to disappear 
> anytime soon, nor are my rights as a person with a disability. So, finding 
> common ground and the middle plane seems to make logical sense. -----  
> Original Message ----- From: "Dan Weiner" 
> <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net<mailto:dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>>
>  >>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>  >>> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 3:16 PM
>  >>> Subject: [nagdu] And that reminds me of the cab driver issue
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>> And on the subject of cab drivers, it is patently ridiculous that 
> someone's
>  >>>> supposed religious concerns should even be an issue for us. I'm 
> referring to
>  >>>> the Muslim cab drivers you mentioned.
>  >>>> It just shows that our rights as blind people mean much less or 
> nothing at
>  >>>> all when compared to some idiot cab driver.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Dan W.
>  >>>>
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