[nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs

Tue Feb 22 07:26:32 UTC 2011

Yes, that is beyond cruel and unjust to be disowned by people you love 
because you choose to see things from another angle. Brick in there face? I 
have a bigger problem with the monster who fundamentally altered this woman 
and her life than I do with family that is unwilling to yield and support 
this woman. Violence against any one for any reason is deplorable. That 
includes violence and hatefulness that gushes out of our hearts and mouths. 
Coming almost full circle, that is why oppressed classes of individuals, the 
blind, this woman and so forth, connect with organizations that advocate and 
insist on equality.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs


> Well, that is definitely not a corner Muslims have, and where it is done 
> (disowning) it is cruel and harsh no matter what your faith.
>
> On Feb 19, 2011, at 6:04 AM, Alan Wheeler wrote:
>
>> See? This kind of thing is why some people think the muslim religion is a 
>> cold, hard and even cruel one. Disowning someone over a *GUIDE DOG?* I 
>> could see not allowing the dog in the houses of family members, etc, but 
>> disowning that person? That would be like a Baptist family disowning a 
>> family member for dancing, if you'll pardon the analogy. I had a 
>> different analogy in mind but didn't use it lest I offend anyone.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheryl echevarria" 
>> <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 5:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs
>>
>>
>>> There is someone here in NY that I had met at my first NFB convention in 
>>> Atlanta, she is a guide dog user, but no longer as an NFB member, she 
>>> lives here in NY. She is muslim from I think Pakistan, Margo may know of 
>>> her, Nooria Nodrat, she lost her vision when someone hit her in the head 
>>> with a brick and almost died.
>>>
>>> She got a guide dog, her family disowned her when she did.  Go figure! 
>>> She is starting her own organization for women, but she also runs in the 
>>> New York City Marathon as well.
>>>
>>> I miss her!
>>>
>>>
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>>> ----- Original Message -----  From: Cindy Ray<mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>> Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, thre are some Muslims who are getting dogs now. They are 
>>> having to do a lot of educating, but there are a few. They have a group 
>>> on the internet, but it is exclusive.
>>>
>>> On Feb 18, 2011, at 6:29 PM, alex wrote:
>>>
>>> > hi guys Alex Atlantic here.
>>> > well if muslims cabs drivers have a problems with us riding in their 
>>> > cars then they should not be driving cabs at all.  also I know a 
>>> > muslim guy that wants a guide dog because of his muslim outlook he 
>>> > cannot have a dog because they say that a dog is not pure.  so because 
>>> > of that is why muslim person cannot have a dog.  but they can drink to 
>>> > me it does not make any cents because drinking is against their faith.
>>> >
>>> > On Feb 18, 2011, at 6:51 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Is it just me, or does the washing unclean objects/body parts/etc. 
>>> >> seven times sound a little obsessive compulsive?
>>> >> --
>>> >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Feb 18, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Lisa Irving wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi Dan,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It can be exasperating when some one perceives their religious 
>>> >>> preferences supersede the law.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I've discussed this matter; guide dogs riding in cabs driven by 
>>> >>> Muslim cab drivers. A Muslim friend of mine explained to me their 
>>> >>> hand washing rituals and why they frequently engage in this ritual. 
>>> >>> I get it. She also told me that the drivers who are insistant  that 
>>> >>> they won't transport a dog of any type, tends to be devout about his 
>>> >>> beliefs. Nevertheless, she agrees with me that such beliefs should 
>>> >>> not over ride laws. Together, we came up with a viable solution. I 
>>> >>> haven't been in a position where I have tried this.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm all right carrying handy wipes and offering them to the devout 
>>> >>> Muslim. It's a gamble. The devout Muslim faith isn't going to 
>>> >>> disappear anytime soon, nor are my rights as a person with a 
>>> >>> disability. So, finding common ground and the middle plane seems to 
>>> >>> make logical sense. -----  Original Message ----- From: "Dan Weiner" 
>>> >>> <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net<mailto:dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>>
>>> >>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>> >>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>>> >>> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 3:16 PM
>>> >>> Subject: [nagdu] And that reminds me of the cab driver issue
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> And on the subject of cab drivers, it is patently ridiculous that 
>>> >>>> someone's
>>> >>>> supposed religious concerns should even be an issue for us. I'm 
>>> >>>> referring to
>>> >>>> the Muslim cab drivers you mentioned.
>>> >>>> It just shows that our rights as blind people mean much less or 
>>> >>>> nothing at
>>> >>>> all when compared to some idiot cab driver.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Dan W.
>>> >>>>
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