[nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs

Mon Feb 21 01:07:50 UTC 2011

Alan,

As someone from a Baptist family, I know exactly what you mean!  I also know
the cold-hearted side there, including disowning a family member for
dancing.  There are some worse tales I could tell.

DD, my roommate,, is also from a Baptist family.  He was disowned by his
Baptist family.  Not for dancing.

My conclusion?  It's not the religion that is at fault.  It is the people
who use it as an excuse to be just plain rotten.

Not that I have an opinion or anything.  /smile/

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Alan Wheeler
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:04 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs

See? This kind of thing is why some people think the muslim religion is a 
cold, hard and even cruel one. Disowning someone over a *GUIDE DOG?* I could

see not allowing the dog in the houses of family members, etc, but disowning

that person? That would be like a Baptist family disowning a family member 
for dancing, if you'll pardon the analogy. I had a different analogy in mind

but didn't use it lest I offend anyone.

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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs

> There is someone here in NY that I had met at my first NFB convention in 
> Atlanta, she is a guide dog user, but no longer as an NFB member, she 
> lives here in NY. She is muslim from I think Pakistan, Margo may know of 
> her, Nooria Nodrat, she lost her vision when someone hit her in the head 
> with a brick and almost died.
>
> She got a guide dog, her family disowned her when she did.  Go figure! She

> is starting her own organization for women, but she also runs in the New 
> York City Marathon as well.
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>  From: Cindy Ray<mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
>  To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>  Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:52 PM
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs
>
>
>  Actually, thre are some Muslims who are getting dogs now. They are having

> to do a lot of educating, but there are a few. They have a group on the 
> internet, but it is exclusive.
>
>  On Feb 18, 2011, at 6:29 PM, alex wrote:
>
>  > hi guys Alex Atlantic here.
>  > well if muslims cabs drivers have a problems with us riding in their 
> cars then they should not be driving cabs at all.  also I know a muslim 
> guy that wants a guide dog because of his muslim outlook he cannot have a 
> dog because they say that a dog is not pure.  so because of that is why 
> muslim person cannot have a dog.  but they can drink to me it does not 
> make any cents because drinking is against their faith.
>  >
>  > On Feb 18, 2011, at 6:51 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>  >
>  >> Is it just me, or does the washing unclean objects/body parts/etc. 
> seven times sound a little obsessive compulsive?
>  >> --
>  >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>  >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On Feb 18, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Lisa Irving wrote:
>  >>
>  >>>
>  >>> Hi Dan,
>  >>>
>  >>> It can be exasperating when some one perceives their religious 
> preferences supersede the law.
>  >>>
>  >>> I've discussed this matter; guide dogs riding in cabs driven by 
> Muslim cab drivers. A Muslim friend of mine explained to me their hand 
> washing rituals and why they frequently engage in this ritual. I get it. 
> She also told me that the drivers who are insistant  that they won't 
> transport a dog of any type, tends to be devout about his beliefs. 
> Nevertheless, she agrees with me that such beliefs should not over ride 
> laws. Together, we came up with a viable solution. I haven't been in a 
> position where I have tried this.
>  >>>
>  >>> I'm all right carrying handy wipes and offering them to the devout 
> Muslim. It's a gamble. The devout Muslim faith isn't going to disappear 
> anytime soon, nor are my rights as a person with a disability. So, finding

> common ground and the middle plane seems to make logical sense. -----  
> Original Message ----- From: "Dan Weiner" 
> <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net<mailto:dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>>
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> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>  >>> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 3:16 PM
>  >>> Subject: [nagdu] And that reminds me of the cab driver issue
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>> And on the subject of cab drivers, it is patently ridiculous that 
> someone's
>  >>>> supposed religious concerns should even be an issue for us. I'm 
> referring to
>  >>>> the Muslim cab drivers you mentioned.
>  >>>> It just shows that our rights as blind people mean much less or 
> nothing at
>  >>>> all when compared to some idiot cab driver.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Dan W.
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