[nagdu] Guide Dog Handler Bill of Rights

[Jordan Gallacher]

Well said Cindy.  I end up in that exact position.  I really wanted
transportation management, but there are no universities in LA offering that
major.  I got lucky at La Tech that the major I am combines the two I was
looking at at other universities which is Management and Entreprenuership.
Jordan

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 9:34 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog Handler Bill of Rights

Oh, and don't get me wrong. I don't doubt that there is a need for change,
but we have to be unified on what we really want that change to be. Also, if
you are going to a college/university, or some other training, none has
absolutely everything you want. Why is a dog school going to be any
different.

On Jan 30, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:

> Hello Cindy and everyone,
> 
>    If I'm to change schools again I want everything I want! Most is not an

> option. Otherwise there's no point in switching. This discussion has taken

> place before as well.
> 
> Peter Donahue
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog Handler Bill of Rights
> 
> 
> Well, here are problems I see. There are issues about puppy raisers 
> communicating with alums, ownership, removing dogs without just cause from
a 
> persobn. There are other issues. What is the tone of the appliation
material 
> and class material. All of it used to be way more custodial than it is
now, 
> even telling you what to bring for clothes and some other stuff. TSE used
to 
> have more of a dress code than they do now. My first trip there I had a
war 
> with the nurse because she would check out the key to the organ to me to 
> unlock the thing, and when we ordered pizza we didn't dish up our own. 
> Things have gradually improved. There are a lot of schools in the country,

> and mostly they are good, reputable ones. One school will be doing
something 
> that you are not happy with. A school will make you so mad that you may 
> decide to publicly blast the school to kingdom come; you can choose
another 
> school and get most of what you want by way of doing so. Jordan hates The 
> Seeing Eye now because he went there once and had a bad experience for 
> whatever reason. He switched to GDB, with whom he is more compatible. I 
> wouldn't go there because I don't like the kind of relationship that seems

> to exist with regard to puppy raisers or ownership. We can pretty much 
> choose what we want. So I think legislation doesn't make sense. Because 
> there are lots of options, and people are not on the same page, you will 
> have trouble gtting people (and I mean the users) to agree on what we are 
> working on. If one could get the Federation of Guide Dog Schools to have 
> pretty much the same policies on certain issues, that would be the route
to 
> take. One very important issue would maybe be ownership, and certainly one

> would be how they determine if a dog should be removed from you. I think
the 
> removal of a dog without ause would certainly be a unifying position. That

> might require some definitions, but within those there would need to be
some 
> flexibility to be sure.
> 
> 
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