[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 75, Issue 57
holly mcknight
hollyandpolly at hotmail.com
Fri Jul 1 01:23:37 UTC 2011
Hello all, I told myslef not to comment on this, but I have to. I have been a dog handler for nearly eighteen years and have taken dogs to three conventions on the national level and many state ones. I have also attended Washington Siminar. The person who said that we gets such good rates at hotels was right. That, not only is because of how good our dogs are, but that is because that is good we, as people are. I have seen way too many people getting their noses out of joint over people telling them how to handle their dogs at convention. If you will remember, there is a code of conduct for while we are in dog school, and we are to make safe choices on things such as working conditions, alocohol use, etc when we graduate. I don't think anybody should tell another how to handle a situation , but kind and possitive suggestions can be offereed. Again, be aware of what you and your dog can handle and respond accordingly. I am a part of a different dog group, and I like what they say. The say that it is a friendly neighborhood and we should be too. Be aware that there may be new handlers, or soon to be new handlers on this list. Please be aware of their feelings. I hope I have not stepped over my bounds as just a handler, but I hope that this may resolve unnecessary conflict on the list. Hope you all have a greast time in Orlando. Be safe and hug your guide today.
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> 1. Following attack, Williamsburg directs owner to curb dog's
> aggressive behavior (Ginger Kutsch)
> 2. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (The Pawpower Pack)
> 3. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (The Pawpower Pack)
> 4. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (Albert J Rizzi)
> 5. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (Albert J Rizzi)
> 6. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (cheryl echevarria)
> 7. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (Jeffrey Young)
> 8. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (Albert J Rizzi)
> 9. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (Rovig, Lorraine)
> 10. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (Albert J Rizzi)
> 11. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (The Pawpower Pack)
> 12. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (Lyn Gwizdak)
> 13. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (Albert J Rizzi)
> 14. Re: If you don't like the policies (B Avila Guerrero)
> 15. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (cheryl echevarria)
> 16. Re: If you don't like the policies (cheryl echevarria)
> 17. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (Shannon Dyer)
> 18. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (Julie McGinnity)
> 19. Re: If you don't like the policies (Shannon Dyer)
> 20. Re: Class date, finally! (Shannon Dyer)
> 21. Re: If you don't like the policies (cheryl echevarria)
> 22. Re: If you don't like the policies (cheryl echevarria)
> 23. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (Steven Johnson)
> 24. NFB policies (Michael Hingson)
> 25. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (Albert J Rizzi)
> 26. moderator notes (Julie J.)
> 27. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (Alysha)
> 28. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (Julie J.)
> 29. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (Julie J.)
> 30. Re: NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy (Julie J.)
> 31. dogs alone in hotel rooms (GARY STEEVES)
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:38:44 -0400
> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <GingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Following attack, Williamsburg directs owner to curb
> dog's aggressive behavior
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> Following attack, Williamsburg directs owner to curb dog's aggressive
> behavior
>
> By FRAN RYAN
>
> Gazette Contributing Writer
>
> http://www.gazettenet.com/2011/06/30/following-attack-williamsburg-directs-o
> wner-to-curb-dogs-aggressive-behavior
>
> June 30, 2011
>
> WILLIAMSBURG, MASS -Selectmen are keeping a close eye on a local dog after
> complaints that the animal attacked a neighborhood dog and its owner and was
> also involved in two acts of aggression towards dogs in Goshen.
>
>
>
> On May 19, Dog Officer William Turner told selectmen that a small cattle dog
> owned by Cosimo Ferrante of North Street had attacked a neighbor's dog and
> bit its owner on the hand. Selectmen were later alerted by Goshen's Animal
> Control Officer that Ferrante's dog was also involved in two separate
> incidents where it acted aggressively towards dogs being walked beside a
> field where Ferrante's cattle are pastured.
>
>
>
> These encounters with Ferrante's dog have left the other dog owners fearful
> for the safety of their dogs and themselves.
>
>
>
> "The people who own the dog that was attacked (in Williamsburg) say that
> they are petrified and they won't walk their dog in the neighborhood. They
> don't even like to be out in their yard anymore," Turner told the Board of
> Selectmen on June 16.
>
>
>
> However, Ferrante told selectmen that his dog, a two-year-old female named
> Wookie, was never meant to be loose outside when the incident occurred.
>
>
>
> "This was an accident," Ferrante said. "She was in my house when a gust of
> wind must have blown the door open and she got out."
>
>
>
> Ferrante said that he has owned Wookie since October and is now working with
> a canine behavioral specialist on correcting behaviors she displays towards
> unfamiliar dogs.
>
>
>
> "I am very attentive to her and she is with me constantly. She is a young
> dog, and her behavior is getting better and better. I am now working with a
> trainer because ultimately the only way to resolve this issue is through
> training," said Ferrante.
>
>
>
> The first incident occurred in mid-May. In a letter to the Board of
> Selectmen, Diane Levine, of North Street in Williamsburg, said she was
> walking her small dog in her driveway when Ferrante's dog attacked and she
> was injured while trying to protect her dog.
>
>
>
> According to Levine's letter, her dog suffered "multiple deep puncture
> wounds and abrasions" and that Levine was treated at Cooley Dickinson
> Hospital for a "bite on my left pinky." Her letter also included pictures of
> her dog's injuries.
>
>
>
> Ferrante's dog "didn't just nip this dog," said selectman Jeffery Ciuffreda.
> "Those pictures were definitely not pretty."
>
>
>
> Shortly after, Goshen Animal Control Officer Kyle Meservey received two
> separate complaints regarding Ferrante's dog.
>
>
>
> Richard Briere of Spruce Corner Road in Goshen said his 24-year-old
> wheelchair-bound son, Jeremy Cote, was out with his service dog, when
> Ferrante's dog ran from the pasture in Goshen where Ferrante was tending his
> herd and began nipping at the dog.
>
>
>
> In a second incident Briere was walking their family dog on a leash in the
> same area and Ferrante's dog aggressively charged at him.
>
>
>
> "I understand that this is the farmer's cow dog and it needs to be loose to
> chase the cows, but we were on a public street," said Briere. "I carry a
> walking stick now because if he can't control his dog, I will protect myself
> and my dog if I have to."
>
>
>
> According to Meservey, neither incident involved actual bites or injuries to
> the other animals or their owners.
>
>
>
> Ferrante has recently appeared before Goshen Selectmen for being unable to
> adequately contain his cattle in that town. Selectmen in Goshen are hoping
> that Ferrante has resolved that situation.
>
>
>
> Williamsburg selectmen are equally hopeful that Ferrante will succeed in his
> dog training efforts. The town does require that dogs be leashed when
> outside.
>
>
>
> "Well, it sounds like he is trying to do the right thing," Ciuffreda said.
> "But it is what triggers the dog that is what concerns me."
>
>
>
> Denise Banister Chairwoman of the Board of Selectman said " We are really
> hoping this will be taken care of and nothing else happens. Nobody wants to
> have to take someone's dog away."
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:44:23 -0500
> From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
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> My question is, if people choose to leave dogs in the room, and if
> dogs bark, why can't it be dealt with as it would if it were any other
> dog, at any other conference? E.g. the handler asked, by hotel staff,
> to leave the hotel for disturbing the people? Why must everyone else
> be "punished" when they aren't guilty? If a dog barks, why can't it
> be dealt with between the person and the hotel?
>
>
> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and
> taste good with ketchup.
> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> AIM: lillebriss
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:49:22 -0500
> From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> Message-ID: <01A15068-9929-424B-9D5D-2398A3E7C984 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> I just returned from the American Association of the Deafblind
> conference. I left my dog for about an hour or so to go swimming. I
> put the do not disturb sign on the door, and she was quiet the entire
> time-- my neighbor didn't hear a thing.
> I would agree that if a dog destroys or damages property in the room
> that it is the handler's responsibility to pay for that, just as they
> would if it was themselves, or their child. Laveau didn't do anything
> but lay by the door and wait while I was gone.
> I couldn't have gone swimming if I had been forced to take her with me.
> It is important to know your dog and to be sure he/she can handle
> being alone, but if a person is responsible, and if the person
> addresses and resolves any complaints so that they don't happen again,
> I don't see the issue here.
>
> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and
> taste good with ketchup.
> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> AIM: lillebriss
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:51:47 -0400
> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> Message-ID: <6B816E2B078B4ABEBE4F4691FDEB4E50 at JkTC4D1>
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> Rock om with your bad self rox and the kitchen bitches.... one bad apple
> don't spoil the whole bunch girl.....
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York 10004
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of The Pawpower Pack
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:44 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
> My question is, if people choose to leave dogs in the room, and if
> dogs bark, why can't it be dealt with as it would if it were any other
> dog, at any other conference? E.g. the handler asked, by hotel staff,
> to leave the hotel for disturbing the people? Why must everyone else
> be "punished" when they aren't guilty? If a dog barks, why can't it
> be dealt with between the person and the hotel?
>
>
> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and
> taste good with ketchup.
> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> AIM: lillebriss
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:55:37 -0400
> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
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> Rox,
>
> I never thought about putting the do not disturb sign on the door. I love
> that and will be using it going forward. that would certainly curtail my
> concerns about housekeeping going in and finding a bit more in the room then
> they anticipated.
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York 10004
> www.myblindspot.org
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
>
>
> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of The Pawpower Pack
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:49 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
> I just returned from the American Association of the Deafblind
> conference. I left my dog for about an hour or so to go swimming. I
> put the do not disturb sign on the door, and she was quiet the entire
> time-- my neighbor didn't hear a thing.
> I would agree that if a dog destroys or damages property in the room
> that it is the handler's responsibility to pay for that, just as they
> would if it was themselves, or their child. Laveau didn't do anything
> but lay by the door and wait while I was gone.
> I couldn't have gone swimming if I had been forced to take her with me.
> It is important to know your dog and to be sure he/she can handle
> being alone, but if a person is responsible, and if the person
> addresses and resolves any complaints so that they don't happen again,
> I don't see the issue here.
>
> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and
> taste good with ketchup.
> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> AIM: lillebriss
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:57:35 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
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> So you are coming to convention Albert?
>
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Albert J Rizzi<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
>
> Rox,
>
> I never thought about putting the do not disturb sign on the door. I love
> that and will be using it going forward. that would certainly curtail my
> concerns about housekeeping going in and finding a bit more in the room then
> they anticipated.
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York 10004
> www.myblindspot.org<http://www.myblindspot.org/>
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
>
>
> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of The Pawpower Pack
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:49 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
> I just returned from the American Association of the Deafblind
> conference. I left my dog for about an hour or so to go swimming. I
> put the do not disturb sign on the door, and she was quiet the entire
> time-- my neighbor didn't hear a thing.
> I would agree that if a dog destroys or damages property in the room
> that it is the handler's responsibility to pay for that, just as they
> would if it was themselves, or their child. Laveau didn't do anything
> but lay by the door and wait while I was gone.
> I couldn't have gone swimming if I had been forced to take her with me.
> It is important to know your dog and to be sure he/she can handle
> being alone, but if a person is responsible, and if the person
> addresses and resolves any complaints so that they don't happen again,
> I don't see the issue here.
>
> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and
> taste good with ketchup.
> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com<http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com/>
> pawpower4me at gmail.com<mailto:pawpower4me at gmail.com>
> AIM: lillebriss
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:58:18 -0600
> From: Jeffrey Young <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
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> How exactly can the NFB and Nagdu ban someone from attending convention? It seems a shallow threat that can't be inforced.
>
> Jeff and Hansel
> On Jun 30, 2011, at 2:49 PM, The Pawpower Pack wrote:
>
> > I just returned from the American Association of the Deafblind conference. I left my dog for about an hour or so to go swimming. I put the do not disturb sign on the door, and she was quiet the entire time-- my neighbor didn't hear a thing.
> > I would agree that if a dog destroys or damages property in the room that it is the handler's responsibility to pay for that, just as they would if it was themselves, or their child. Laveau didn't do anything but lay by the door and wait while I was gone.
> > I couldn't have gone swimming if I had been forced to take her with me.
> > It is important to know your dog and to be sure he/she can handle being alone, but if a person is responsible, and if the person addresses and resolves any complaints so that they don't happen again, I don't see the issue here.
> >
> > Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> > Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> > Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
> > http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
> > pawpower4me at gmail.com
> > AIM: lillebriss
> >
> >
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 17:02:50 -0400
> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> Message-ID: <D35544984BE047758EF102E633576880 at JkTC4D1>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Cheryl,
>
> Not sure how you inferred that from anything I wrote, but not this year.
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York 10004
> www.myblindspot.org
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
>
>
> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of cheryl echevarria
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:58 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
> So you are coming to convention Albert?
>
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
>
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST-1018299-10
>
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel, Inc.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Albert J Rizzi<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
>
> Rox,
>
> I never thought about putting the do not disturb sign on the door. I love
> that and will be using it going forward. that would certainly curtail my
> concerns about housekeeping going in and finding a bit more in the room
> then
> they anticipated.
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York 10004
> www.myblindspot.org<http://www.myblindspot.org/>
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>
> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of The Pawpower Pack
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:49 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
> I just returned from the American Association of the Deafblind
> conference. I left my dog for about an hour or so to go swimming. I
> put the do not disturb sign on the door, and she was quiet the entire
> time-- my neighbor didn't hear a thing.
> I would agree that if a dog destroys or damages property in the room
> that it is the handler's responsibility to pay for that, just as they
> would if it was themselves, or their child. Laveau didn't do anything
> but lay by the door and wait while I was gone.
> I couldn't have gone swimming if I had been forced to take her with me.
> It is important to know your dog and to be sure he/she can handle
> being alone, but if a person is responsible, and if the person
> addresses and resolves any complaints so that they don't happen again,
> I don't see the issue here.
>
> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and
> taste good with ketchup.
> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com<http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com/>
> pawpower4me at gmail.com<mailto:pawpower4me at gmail.com>
> AIM: lillebriss
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:03:40 -0700
> From: "Rovig, Lorraine" <LRovig at nfb.org>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
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> Carl, FYI, Mr. Rizzi --the public spirited fellow -- thinks the U.S. Constitution says he can leave his guide dog in his hotel room without a babysitter and NAGDU can't stop him. The woman from Pawpower agrees with Rizzi. - Emails below.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Albert J Rizzi
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:56 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> Importance: High
>
> Rox,
>
> I never thought about putting the do not disturb sign on the door. I love
> that and will be using it going forward. that would certainly curtail my
> concerns about housekeeping going in and finding a bit more in the room then
> they anticipated.
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York 10004
> www.myblindspot.org
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
>
>
> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of The Pawpower Pack
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:49 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
> I just returned from the American Association of the Deafblind
> conference. I left my dog for about an hour or so to go swimming. I
> put the do not disturb sign on the door, and she was quiet the entire
> time-- my neighbor didn't hear a thing.
> I would agree that if a dog destroys or damages property in the room
> that it is the handler's responsibility to pay for that, just as they
> would if it was themselves, or their child. Laveau didn't do anything
> but lay by the door and wait while I was gone.
> I couldn't have gone swimming if I had been forced to take her with me.
> It is important to know your dog and to be sure he/she can handle
> being alone, but if a person is responsible, and if the person
> addresses and resolves any complaints so that they don't happen again,
> I don't see the issue here.
>
> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and
> taste good with ketchup.
> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> AIM: lillebriss
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 17:10:04 -0400
> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> Message-ID: <48D74D7357CA4443974A8BF276F6940A at JkTC4D1>
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> Ms. Rovig,
>
> Thanks for clarifying, it is not just at convention that I choose this for
> my life, it is in every and any instance whenever I find myself traveling
> out of state. I do not know of any hotels that provide a sitting service for
> a dog, well unless your last name is helmsly 's
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York 10004
> www.myblindspot.org
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
>
>
> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Rovig, Lorraine
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:04 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
> Carl, FYI, Mr. Rizzi --the public spirited fellow -- thinks the U.S.
> Constitution says he can leave his guide dog in his hotel room without a
> babysitter and NAGDU can't stop him. The woman from Pawpower agrees with
> Rizzi. - Emails below.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Albert J Rizzi
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:56 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> Importance: High
>
> Rox,
>
> I never thought about putting the do not disturb sign on the door. I love
> that and will be using it going forward. that would certainly curtail my
> concerns about housekeeping going in and finding a bit more in the room then
> they anticipated.
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York 10004
> www.myblindspot.org
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
>
>
> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of The Pawpower Pack
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:49 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
> I just returned from the American Association of the Deafblind
> conference. I left my dog for about an hour or so to go swimming. I
> put the do not disturb sign on the door, and she was quiet the entire
> time-- my neighbor didn't hear a thing.
> I would agree that if a dog destroys or damages property in the room
> that it is the handler's responsibility to pay for that, just as they
> would if it was themselves, or their child. Laveau didn't do anything
> but lay by the door and wait while I was gone.
> I couldn't have gone swimming if I had been forced to take her with me.
> It is important to know your dog and to be sure he/she can handle
> being alone, but if a person is responsible, and if the person
> addresses and resolves any complaints so that they don't happen again,
> I don't see the issue here.
>
> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and
> taste good with ketchup.
> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> AIM: lillebriss
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:09:23 -0500
> From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> Message-ID: <600DA07C-42DC-4012-8DB0-50C96A534B95 at gmail.com>
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>
> This is Rox, aka "The Woman From Pawpower." When did we start talking
> about the U. S. Constitution and guide dogs? I think it's time for
> some scotch... Perhaps Johnny Walker shall allow me to see this issue
> more clearly, or to remember what I missed?
> Also I'm Rox, from Louisiana, not from Pawpower.
>
> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and
> taste good with ketchup.
> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> AIM: lillebriss
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:15:26 -0700
> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> Message-ID: <D62BF6A58BF64340B2DBDFA1AF06BBF8 at lindagwizdak>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Here we go again on this topic that crops up every year before convention!
> (sigh! rolling of eyes)
>
> Sarah, NAGDU or anyone else isn't telling you what to do. Maybe Marion
> needs to spell it out each year - about how the NFB gets greats rates in
> hotels that host the annual convention. About how there are problems each
> year with folks who leave dogs in rooms and those dogs create problems with
> other hotel guests who don't want to hear howling dogs far into the night.
> About accidents dogs may have because people aren't as attentive as they
> should be to their dog's needs - and they leave the mess for others to step
> in and smear throughout the hotel. These problems can cause problems in NFB
> getting the great rates or even the hotels it gets for conventions.
>
> Guys, these rules are there to make it pleasant for all and I wish people
> would see it that way. But no, every year, we have people on the list who
> whine about their rights being tranpled or it paternalistic or something.
> this reminds me of kids who aren't getting their own way.
>
> THE RULES MAKE IT PLEASANT FOR ALL and nothing more.
>
> If there's a huge problem of wanting to enjoy convention without the hassles
> of having your dog with you all the time, you might like to look into the
> possibility of leaving your dog at home with a friend and bring your white
> cane. Some folks do this and that's fine.
>
> Now, everyone going have a great time! Sorry for this rant - I get as tired
> of seeing the complaining after Marion remeinds us of the NAGDU rule abouot
> dogs in the rooms alone. I completely agree with these rules and I abided
> them with no problem when I went to the convention.
>
> Lyn and Landon (waiting for the s**t to come my way)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sarah Clark" <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
>
> > To consider it I would have to see that it is in fact a policy of this
> > particular hotel, and not of Nagdu. Nagdu doesn't have authority over what
> > I
> > do or don't do in my hotel room.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of cheryl echevarria
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:27 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >
> > fyi, in any situation whether blind or sighted, hotels that allow dogs do
> > not allow them unattended, it is a fair statement that NAGDU follows this
> > policy.
> >
> > And if you are not going to convention then you have nothing to worry
> > about.
> >
> >
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> >
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Albert J Rizzi<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org>
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> > Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >
> >
> > I would have to agree here. It also harkens one to think that the very
> > organization which professes our need to be independent and self
> > determining, that perhaps those of us with a guide have no apparent
> > control
> > over our dogs. I for one leave my dog home from time to time and use my
> > cane. I never come home to anything other then a possible chewed up piece
> > of
> > random paper which I lef out. I also have traveled extensively and have
> > left
> > my guide in the hotel room, only to find what you would ask? a sleeping
> > dog,
> > who behaved perfectly while I was out. ridiculous.
> >
> > Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> > Founder
> > My Blind Spot, Inc.
> > 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> > New York, New York 10004
> > www.myblindspot.org<http://www.myblindspot.org/>
> > PH: 917-553-0347
> > Fax: 212-858-5759
> > "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who
> > is
> > doing it."
> >
> >
> > Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>
> > [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Tracy Carcione
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:15 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >
> > I object to this policy. I object to the notion that I need special
> > rules
> > and supervision because I choose to use a guide dog. It makes me feel
> > unwelcome at convention. Of course, I'd be perfectly welcome, if I
> > acknowledge that I need others to tell me how to handle my dog, or,
> > better
> > yet, leave the smelly troublmaking beast at home.
> > So I will be spending my time, money, and energy in places where I will
> > actually be treated like an intelligent, responsible adult. Too bad
> > that's not the NFB convention.
> > Funny thing is, I bet Marion would object too, if it wasn't NFB
> > leadership decreeing it.
> > Tracy
> >
> > > Dear All,
> > > In advance of the national convention, I want to remind everyone of
> > > the NFB policy concerning guide dogs during convention. It is the
> > > policy of the National Federation of the Blind, endorsed by the
> > > national Association of Guide Dog Users, that guide dog shall not be
> > > left unattended in guest rooms at any time. Violation of this policy
> > > may result in the member's restriction from attending the next two (2)
> > > conventions of the National Federation of the Blind. We appreciate
> > > your cooperation and adherence to this policy.
> > > As the person responsible for responding to concerns about guide
> > dogs
> > > during our conventions, I want to share that I have had the necessity
> > > to respond to at least two complaints during each convention for the
> > > past four years. In every case, I was told by the guide dog user that
> > > their dog does not bark when left alone, in spite of the evidence to
> > > the contrary. It is not my desire to prohibit our members from
> > > attending convention; however, it is also not my desire to allow a
> > > guide dog user to disrupt others at convention by another's
> > > irresponsible behavior. I encourage guide dog users to comply with
> > > this policy in an effort to maintain order and peace during
> > > convention.
> > >
> > > Fraternally yours,
> > > Marion Gwizdala, President
> > > National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> > > National Federation of the Blind
> > > 813-626-2789
> > > President at NAGDU.ORG<mailto:President at NAGDU.ORG>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 17:16:42 -0400
> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
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> Rox,
>
> I am falling in love with you more and more. Scotch rocks with a twist and a
> splash of water! Unless it is jonny blue and then just neat thank you very
> much.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of The Pawpower Pack
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:09 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
> This is Rox, aka "The Woman From Pawpower." When did we start talking
> about the U. S. Constitution and guide dogs? I think it's time for
> some scotch... Perhaps Johnny Walker shall allow me to see this issue
> more clearly, or to remember what I missed?
> Also I'm Rox, from Louisiana, not from Pawpower.
>
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> Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and
> taste good with ketchup.
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:16:04 -0600
> From: "B Avila Guerrero" <guerrero.avila at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
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> Sorry for that impression however, I have spent the last year and 1/2 of
> being an NFB member, being told what kind of blind person I should be.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:49 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
>
> Questioning is good; complaining, moaning and growning is not good.
> I'm not saying you were doing these things Birtha, but from the tone
> of some of the emails I've read in the last hour or so, well, ...
>
> Wayne
>
> On 6/30/11, B Avila Guerrero <guerrero.avila at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > That doesn't mean I can't question a policy. You see this is the
> mentality.
> > If you are a "good" NFB member, you don't question.
> > I happen to be an adult who can think for herself and make decisions.
> > Bertha
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of cheryl echevarria
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:31 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
> >
> > I agree, he is a wonderful person, and has also helped me. So why aren't
> > you happy with the policies.
> >
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: B Avila Guerrero<mailto:guerrero.avila at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> > Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 3:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
> >
> >
> > I have nothing but good things to say about , Marion Gwizdala. In fact
> he
> > is
> > one of the few NFB leadership who has actually taken the time to talk
> with
> > me and be supportive.
> > Bertha
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>
> > [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Wayne Merritt
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:18 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
> >
> > Or, run for state office and move up through the ranks until you're on
> > the national board. Then you can really be a vehicle for change in the
> > organization.
> >
> > Wayne Merritt
> >
> > On 6/30/11, cheryl echevarria
> > <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > > Come to the National Convention when the Officers are up for elections
> > and
> > > run, in the mean time, Marion Gwizdala is the President of this
> > division,
> > > and we follow the policies.
> > >
> > >
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 17:20:29 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
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> Lyn, I had tried to explain this when the stuff hit the fan, but it went in the wrong direction. slapping my own hand for trying to stop it.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lyn Gwizdak<mailto:linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
>
> Here we go again on this topic that crops up every year before convention!
> (sigh! rolling of eyes)
>
> Sarah, NAGDU or anyone else isn't telling you what to do. Maybe Marion
> needs to spell it out each year - about how the NFB gets greats rates in
> hotels that host the annual convention. About how there are problems each
> year with folks who leave dogs in rooms and those dogs create problems with
> other hotel guests who don't want to hear howling dogs far into the night.
> About accidents dogs may have because people aren't as attentive as they
> should be to their dog's needs - and they leave the mess for others to step
> in and smear throughout the hotel. These problems can cause problems in NFB
> getting the great rates or even the hotels it gets for conventions.
>
> Guys, these rules are there to make it pleasant for all and I wish people
> would see it that way. But no, every year, we have people on the list who
> whine about their rights being tranpled or it paternalistic or something.
> this reminds me of kids who aren't getting their own way.
>
> THE RULES MAKE IT PLEASANT FOR ALL and nothing more.
>
> If there's a huge problem of wanting to enjoy convention without the hassles
> of having your dog with you all the time, you might like to look into the
> possibility of leaving your dog at home with a friend and bring your white
> cane. Some folks do this and that's fine.
>
> Now, everyone going have a great time! Sorry for this rant - I get as tired
> of seeing the complaining after Marion remeinds us of the NAGDU rule abouot
> dogs in the rooms alone. I completely agree with these rules and I abided
> them with no problem when I went to the convention.
>
> Lyn and Landon (waiting for the s**t to come my way)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sarah Clark" <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net<mailto:goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
>
> > To consider it I would have to see that it is in fact a policy of this
> > particular hotel, and not of Nagdu. Nagdu doesn't have authority over what
> > I
> > do or don't do in my hotel room.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of cheryl echevarria
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:27 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >
> > fyi, in any situation whether blind or sighted, hotels that allow dogs do
> > not allow them unattended, it is a fair statement that NAGDU follows this
> > policy.
> >
> > And if you are not going to convention then you have nothing to worry
> > about.
> >
> >
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Albert J Rizzi<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org>>
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> > Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >
> >
> > I would have to agree here. It also harkens one to think that the very
> > organization which professes our need to be independent and self
> > determining, that perhaps those of us with a guide have no apparent
> > control
> > over our dogs. I for one leave my dog home from time to time and use my
> > cane. I never come home to anything other then a possible chewed up piece
> > of
> > random paper which I lef out. I also have traveled extensively and have
> > left
> > my guide in the hotel room, only to find what you would ask? a sleeping
> > dog,
> > who behaved perfectly while I was out. ridiculous.
> >
> > Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> > Founder
> > My Blind Spot, Inc.
> > 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>>
> > [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Tracy Carcione
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:15 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >
> > I object to this policy. I object to the notion that I need special
> > rules
> > and supervision because I choose to use a guide dog. It makes me feel
> > unwelcome at convention. Of course, I'd be perfectly welcome, if I
> > acknowledge that I need others to tell me how to handle my dog, or,
> > better
> > yet, leave the smelly troublmaking beast at home.
> > So I will be spending my time, money, and energy in places where I will
> > actually be treated like an intelligent, responsible adult. Too bad
> > that's not the NFB convention.
> > Funny thing is, I bet Marion would object too, if it wasn't NFB
> > leadership decreeing it.
> > Tracy
> >
> > > Dear All,
> > > In advance of the national convention, I want to remind everyone of
> > > the NFB policy concerning guide dogs during convention. It is the
> > > policy of the National Federation of the Blind, endorsed by the
> > > national Association of Guide Dog Users, that guide dog shall not be
> > > left unattended in guest rooms at any time. Violation of this policy
> > > may result in the member's restriction from attending the next two (2)
> > > conventions of the National Federation of the Blind. We appreciate
> > > your cooperation and adherence to this policy.
> > > As the person responsible for responding to concerns about guide
> > dogs
> > > during our conventions, I want to share that I have had the necessity
> > > to respond to at least two complaints during each convention for the
> > > past four years. In every case, I was told by the guide dog user that
> > > their dog does not bark when left alone, in spite of the evidence to
> > > the contrary. It is not my desire to prohibit our members from
> > > attending convention; however, it is also not my desire to allow a
> > > guide dog user to disrupt others at convention by another's
> > > irresponsible behavior. I encourage guide dog users to comply with
> > > this policy in an effort to maintain order and peace during
> > > convention.
> > >
> > > Fraternally yours,
> > > Marion Gwizdala, President
> > > National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> > > National Federation of the Blind
> > > 813-626-2789
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 17:22:18 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
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> That is wrong Bertha, you are a blind person and how you should be is yourself, whether learning braille, using a cane or dog or sighted person. As long as you are comfortable in your own skin.
>
> That is so wrong and I am sorry you were treated that way.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: B Avila Guerrero<mailto:guerrero.avila at sbcglobal.net>
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
>
>
> Sorry for that impression however, I have spent the last year and 1/2 of
> being an NFB member, being told what kind of blind person I should be.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:49 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
>
> Questioning is good; complaining, moaning and growning is not good.
> I'm not saying you were doing these things Birtha, but from the tone
> of some of the emails I've read in the last hour or so, well, ...
>
> Wayne
>
> On 6/30/11, B Avila Guerrero <guerrero.avila at sbcglobal.net<mailto:guerrero.avila at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
> > That doesn't mean I can't question a policy. You see this is the
> mentality.
> > If you are a "good" NFB member, you don't question.
> > I happen to be an adult who can think for herself and make decisions.
> > Bertha
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of cheryl echevarria
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:31 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
> >
> > I agree, he is a wonderful person, and has also helped me. So why aren't
> > you happy with the policies.
> >
> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: B Avila Guerrero<mailto:guerrero.avila at sbcglobal.net<mailto:guerrero.avila at sbcglobal.net>>
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> > Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 3:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
> >
> >
> > I have nothing but good things to say about , Marion Gwizdala. In fact
> he
> > is
> > one of the few NFB leadership who has actually taken the time to talk
> with
> > me and be supportive.
> > Bertha
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>>
> > [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Wayne Merritt
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:18 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
> >
> > Or, run for state office and move up through the ranks until you're on
> > the national board. Then you can really be a vehicle for change in the
> > organization.
> >
> > Wayne Merritt
> >
> > On 6/30/11, cheryl echevarria
> > <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com%3Cmailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>>> wrote:
> > > Come to the National Convention when the Officers are up for elections
> > and
> > > run, in the mean time, Marion Gwizdala is the President of this
> > division,
> > > and we follow the policies.
> > >
> > >
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> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 17:55:57 -0400
> From: Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
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> I've heard this before, and, while I can understand the hotel not wanting guests disturbed by barking dogs, I must say that it seems rather heavy-handed to forbid guide dog handlers to leave their guides unattended in our rooms. My dog does find on tie down. There have been times at convention, such as when I've been captioning, that I would choose to leave Caroline in my room. Strangely enough, nothing happened. Because I do not always have someone around to watch my dog while at convention, and, since there are times when it isn't practical for me to bring my dog with me to certain events, I don't suppose I'll be forking out the money to attend convention any time soon.
>
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> On Jun 30, 2011, at 2:29 PM, B Avila Guerrero wrote:
>
> > I object as well! It's a good thing I wasn't planning on coming. We are a
> > brand new Team, and if I had come, I was planning on leaving her in my room
> > on occasion.
> > I am a fairly new NFB member, however, I have in the year and a half I have
> > been a member, noticed a bias against Dogs, and a very pro attitude towards
> > canes. This was evident by the t-shirt being promoted by Louisiana Tech a
> > few months ago.
> > I think it's time I re-think my NFB membership>
> > Bertha
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Tracy Carcione
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:15 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >
> > I object to this policy. I object to the notion that I need special rules
> > and supervision because I choose to use a guide dog. It makes me feel
> > unwelcome at convention. Of course, I'd be perfectly welcome, if I
> > acknowledge that I need others to tell me how to handle my dog, or, better
> > yet, leave the smelly troublmaking beast at home.
> > So I will be spending my time, money, and energy in places where I will
> > actually be treated like an intelligent, responsible adult. Too bad
> > that's not the NFB convention.
> > Funny thing is, I bet Marion would object too, if it wasn't NFB
> > leadership decreeing it.
> > Tracy
> >
> >> Dear All,
> >> In advance of the national convention, I want to remind everyone of
> >> the NFB policy concerning guide dogs during convention. It is the
> >> policy of the National Federation of the Blind, endorsed by the
> >> national Association of Guide Dog Users, that guide dog shall not be
> >> left unattended in guest rooms at any time. Violation of this policy
> >> may result in the member's restriction from attending the next two (2)
> >> conventions of the National Federation of the Blind. We appreciate
> >> your cooperation and adherence to this policy.
> >> As the person responsible for responding to concerns about guide dogs
> >> during our conventions, I want to share that I have had the necessity
> >> to respond to at least two complaints during each convention for the
> >> past four years. In every case, I was told by the guide dog user that
> >> their dog does not bark when left alone, in spite of the evidence to
> >> the contrary. It is not my desire to prohibit our members from
> >> attending convention; however, it is also not my desire to allow a
> >> guide dog user to disrupt others at convention by another's
> >> irresponsible behavior. I encourage guide dog users to comply with
> >> this policy in an effort to maintain order and peace during
> >> convention.
> >>
> >> Fraternally yours,
> >> Marion Gwizdala, President
> >> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> >> National Federation of the Blind
> >> 813-626-2789
> >> President at NAGDU.ORG
> >> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
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> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:58:31 -0500
> From: Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
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> Hi guys.
>
> Well, I leave my inbox for about 4 hours to go out to lunch and look
> what happens! Explosion!
>
> I'm starting to become very amused over here. I am actually on the
> fence about this one. On one hand, yes, nagdu does make this rule for
> a good reason, and everything would run smoothly if we did not hear
> barking and howling from guide dogs in hotel rooms. I understand.
>
> But... I think that a dog is like a child in the respect that it can
> make noise like one. Some children can be left alone in a hotel room
> for an hour, and they will be chill and watch tv or whatever, but some
> children will make noise and bounce off the walls. People have to be
> responsible and *know* that their dog will behave properly if they are
> going to let it alone in the room. As every guide dog handler knows,
> there are some things you can trust your dog to do, and there are some
> things that are just too much for the dog.
>
> Just for fun... What about all the other noise that comes out of a
> convention? What about canes hitting the walls at midnight? What
> about rooms by offiliat action suites? Where people are partying and
> carrying on. And with all the people, you can't tell me that people
> don't get complaints about other things like children and loud groups
> of people and who knows what else.
>
> I think this is a good discussion, and I really need to pick a side
> here! It's unnerving to see both sides of an arguement. Lol
>
> On 6/30/11, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Lyn, I had tried to explain this when the stuff hit the fan, but it went in
> > the wrong direction. slapping my own hand for trying to stop it.
> >
> >
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Lyn Gwizdak<mailto:linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> > Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >
> >
> > Here we go again on this topic that crops up every year before convention!
> > (sigh! rolling of eyes)
> >
> > Sarah, NAGDU or anyone else isn't telling you what to do. Maybe Marion
> > needs to spell it out each year - about how the NFB gets greats rates in
> > hotels that host the annual convention. About how there are problems each
> > year with folks who leave dogs in rooms and those dogs create problems
> > with
> > other hotel guests who don't want to hear howling dogs far into the night.
> > About accidents dogs may have because people aren't as attentive as they
> > should be to their dog's needs - and they leave the mess for others to
> > step
> > in and smear throughout the hotel. These problems can cause problems in
> > NFB
> > getting the great rates or even the hotels it gets for conventions.
> >
> > Guys, these rules are there to make it pleasant for all and I wish people
> > would see it that way. But no, every year, we have people on the list who
> > whine about their rights being tranpled or it paternalistic or something.
> > this reminds me of kids who aren't getting their own way.
> >
> > THE RULES MAKE IT PLEASANT FOR ALL and nothing more.
> >
> > If there's a huge problem of wanting to enjoy convention without the
> > hassles
> > of having your dog with you all the time, you might like to look into the
> > possibility of leaving your dog at home with a friend and bring your white
> > cane. Some folks do this and that's fine.
> >
> > Now, everyone going have a great time! Sorry for this rant - I get as
> > tired
> > of seeing the complaining after Marion remeinds us of the NAGDU rule
> > abouot
> > dogs in the rooms alone. I completely agree with these rules and I abided
> > them with no problem when I went to the convention.
> >
> > Lyn and Landon (waiting for the s**t to come my way)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sarah Clark"
> > <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net<mailto:goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>>
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >
> >
> > > To consider it I would have to see that it is in fact a policy of this
> > > particular hotel, and not of Nagdu. Nagdu doesn't have authority over
> > what
> > > I
> > > do or don't do in my hotel room.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>
> > [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > > Of cheryl echevarria
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:27 AM
> > > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> > >
> > > fyi, in any situation whether blind or sighted, hotels that allow dogs
> > do
> > > not allow them unattended, it is a fair statement that NAGDU follows
> > this
> > > policy.
> > >
> > > And if you are not going to convention then you have nothing to worry
> > > about.
> > >
> > >
> > > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> > >
> > > Cheryl Echevarria
> > >
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> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Albert J
> > Rizzi<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org>>
> > > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> > > Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:23 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> > >
> > >
> > > I would have to agree here. It also harkens one to think that the very
> > > organization which professes our need to be independent and self
> > > determining, that perhaps those of us with a guide have no apparent
> > > control
> > > over our dogs. I for one leave my dog home from time to time and use my
> > > cane. I never come home to anything other then a possible chewed up
> > piece
> > > of
> > > random paper which I lef out. I also have traveled extensively and have
> > > left
> > > my guide in the hotel room, only to find what you would ask? a sleeping
> > > dog,
> > > who behaved perfectly while I was out. ridiculous.
> > >
> > > Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> > > Founder
> > > My Blind Spot, Inc.
> > > 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> > > New York, New York 10004
> > >
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> > > PH: 917-553-0347
> > > Fax: 212-858-5759
> > > "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who
> > > is
> > > doing it."
> > >
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
> > nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>>
> > > [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > > Of Tracy Carcione
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:15 PM
> > > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> > >
> > > I object to this policy. I object to the notion that I need special
> > > rules
> > > and supervision because I choose to use a guide dog. It makes me feel
> > > unwelcome at convention. Of course, I'd be perfectly welcome, if I
> > > acknowledge that I need others to tell me how to handle my dog, or,
> > > better
> > > yet, leave the smelly troublmaking beast at home.
> > > So I will be spending my time, money, and energy in places where I will
> > > actually be treated like an intelligent, responsible adult. Too bad
> > > that's not the NFB convention.
> > > Funny thing is, I bet Marion would object too, if it wasn't NFB
> > > leadership decreeing it.
> > > Tracy
> > >
> > > > Dear All,
> > > > In advance of the national convention, I want to remind everyone
> > of
> > > > the NFB policy concerning guide dogs during convention. It is the
> > > > policy of the National Federation of the Blind, endorsed by the
> > > > national Association of Guide Dog Users, that guide dog shall not be
> > > > left unattended in guest rooms at any time. Violation of this policy
> > > > may result in the member's restriction from attending the next two
> > (2)
> > > > conventions of the National Federation of the Blind. We appreciate
> > > > your cooperation and adherence to this policy.
> > > > As the person responsible for responding to concerns about guide
> > > dogs
> > > > during our conventions, I want to share that I have had the necessity
> > > > to respond to at least two complaints during each convention for the
> > > > past four years. In every case, I was told by the guide dog user that
> > > > their dog does not bark when left alone, in spite of the evidence to
> > > > the contrary. It is not my desire to prohibit our members from
> > > > attending convention; however, it is also not my desire to allow a
> > > > guide dog user to disrupt others at convention by another's
> > > > irresponsible behavior. I encourage guide dog users to comply with
> > > > this policy in an effort to maintain order and peace during
> > > > convention.
> > > >
> > > > Fraternally yours,
> > > > Marion Gwizdala, President
> > > > National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> > > > National Federation of the Blind
> > > > 813-626-2789
> > > >
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> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:04:05 -0400
> From: Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
> Message-ID: <E483CBE7-CBB3-45BA-B4B7-983278215BB4 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Cheryl,
>
> I'm not sure if you're intending to come across this way, but you're making it sound as if people are not welcome to express their opinions on this list. Not everyone is going to agree with every policy an organization sets forth, and many will choose to express their opinions. The last time I checked, this was not a list where we were spoonfed thoughts and expected to swallow them without uttering a word of complaint. Saying that a topic is stupid implies a lack of respect for the people participating in the topic. I, for one, object to this.
>
> Julie, as list moderator, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this. Are we, or, are we not, allowed to express opinions that are not in agreement with current policies set forth by the NFB?
>
> Shannon and Caroline
> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point your media player to:
> http://mojoradio.us/listen
> or
> www.mintfm.net
>
> On Jun 30, 2011, at 3:00 PM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>
> > Come to the National Convention when the Officers are up for elections and run, in the mean time, Marion Gwizdala is the President of this division, and we follow the policies.
> >
> >
> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> > 631-456-5394
> > reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> >
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> >
> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel, Inc.
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:05:23 -0400
> From: Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Class date, finally!
> Message-ID: <326E4890-BE6A-4B65-A666-CBD67F22096E at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Congratulations, Alan! That's super news!
>
> Shannon and Caroline
> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point your media player to:
> http://mojoradio.us/listen
> or
> www.mintfm.net
>
> On Jun 30, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Alan Wheeler wrote:
>
> > I am excited to report I finally have a class date at Guide Dogs for the
> > Blind in San Rafael.
> >
> > I will be going October 10th through the 29th. Just got the news today!
> >
> > I am very very excited about getting my first dog!
> >
> > "Grace is getting a high five from God even when you know yourself to be a
> > sinner." Smuts Van Rooyen
> > Seventh-day Adventist Kansas/Nebraska camp meeting
> > Psalms 33:3 Psalms 150:5
> >
> >
> > Alan Wheeler
> > Lincoln, Nebraska
> > awheeler65 at windstream.net
> >
> >
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:10:13 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds1570F17A9A18F8A005EBFAA1580 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Shannon, I did apologize for that a few times, and I didn't mean to come across that way.
>
>
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> 631-456-5394
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>
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST-1018299-10
>
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel, Inc.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shannon Dyer<mailto:solsticesinger at gmail.com>
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
>
>
> Cheryl,
>
> I'm not sure if you're intending to come across this way, but you're making it sound as if people are not welcome to express their opinions on this list. Not everyone is going to agree with every policy an organization sets forth, and many will choose to express their opinions. The last time I checked, this was not a list where we were spoonfed thoughts and expected to swallow them without uttering a word of complaint. Saying that a topic is stupid implies a lack of respect for the people participating in the topic. I, for one, object to this.
>
> Julie, as list moderator, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this. Are we, or, are we not, allowed to express opinions that are not in agreement with current policies set forth by the NFB?
>
> Shannon and Caroline
> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point your media player to:
> http://mojoradio.us/listen<http://mojoradio.us/listen>
> or
> www.mintfm.net<http://www.mintfm.net/>
>
> On Jun 30, 2011, at 3:00 PM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>
> > Come to the National Convention when the Officers are up for elections and run, in the mean time, Marion Gwizdala is the President of this division, and we follow the policies.
> >
> >
> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
> > 631-456-5394
> > reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com%3Cmailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>>
> >
> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST-1018299-10
> >
> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel, Inc.
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:16:20 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds10BDCE8B011230775B92FBA1580 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Of course we are allowed to disagree about the policies, but to have policies changed just like anything else there are ways to go about it.
>
> I said that I disagree with people myself on issues within the NFB, including face to face with the person.
>
> I guess no one wants to hear me that is okay, like I said no one has to believe me that I didn't mean to come across that way, and for those of you who no me personally know I am sincere when I am wrong and apologize.
>
> So I hope we can just drop it now.
>
> I used the word stupid when I should have used another word.
>
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
>
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST-1018299-10
>
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel, Inc.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shannon Dyer<mailto:solsticesinger at gmail.com>
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
>
>
> Cheryl,
>
> I'm not sure if you're intending to come across this way, but you're making it sound as if people are not welcome to express their opinions on this list. Not everyone is going to agree with every policy an organization sets forth, and many will choose to express their opinions. The last time I checked, this was not a list where we were spoonfed thoughts and expected to swallow them without uttering a word of complaint. Saying that a topic is stupid implies a lack of respect for the people participating in the topic. I, for one, object to this.
>
> Julie, as list moderator, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this. Are we, or, are we not, allowed to express opinions that are not in agreement with current policies set forth by the NFB?
>
> Shannon and Caroline
> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point your media player to:
> http://mojoradio.us/listen<http://mojoradio.us/listen>
> or
> www.mintfm.net<http://www.mintfm.net/>
>
> On Jun 30, 2011, at 3:00 PM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>
> > Come to the National Convention when the Officers are up for elections and run, in the mean time, Marion Gwizdala is the President of this division, and we follow the policies.
> >
> >
> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
> > 631-456-5394
> > reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com%3Cmailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>>
> >
> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST-1018299-10
> >
> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel, Inc.
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 17:27:46 -0500
> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> Message-ID: <000001cc3774$f02df720$d089e560$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Ouch! I am going to chime in here as the attacks are becoming personal and
> although I am not the moderator, the moderator does see these posts, and you
> may want to refrain from personal attacks. Just a thought. It's a good
> discussion, and let's keep it that way.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Rovig, Lorraine
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:04 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
> Carl, FYI, Mr. Rizzi --the public spirited fellow -- thinks the U.S.
> Constitution says he can leave his guide dog in his hotel room without a
> babysitter and NAGDU can't stop him. The woman from Pawpower agrees with
> Rizzi. - Emails below.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Albert J Rizzi
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:56 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> Importance: High
>
> Rox,
>
> I never thought about putting the do not disturb sign on the door. I love
> that and will be using it going forward. that would certainly curtail my
> concerns about housekeeping going in and finding a bit more in the room then
> they anticipated.
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York 10004
> www.myblindspot.org
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of The Pawpower Pack
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:49 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
> I just returned from the American Association of the Deafblind
> conference. I left my dog for about an hour or so to go swimming. I
> put the do not disturb sign on the door, and she was quiet the entire
> time-- my neighbor didn't hear a thing.
> I would agree that if a dog destroys or damages property in the room
> that it is the handler's responsibility to pay for that, just as they
> would if it was themselves, or their child. Laveau didn't do anything
> but lay by the door and wait while I was gone.
> I couldn't have gone swimming if I had been forced to take her with me.
> It is important to know your dog and to be sure he/she can handle
> being alone, but if a person is responsible, and if the person
> addresses and resolves any complaints so that they don't happen again,
> I don't see the issue here.
>
> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and
> taste good with ketchup.
> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> AIM: lillebriss
>
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> Message: 24
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:35:04 -0700
> From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] NFB policies
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> All,
>
> I am not Julie, (she's cuter), but I am going to jump in. We always are
> welcome to debate policies so long as the debates are conducted in a civil
> and cordial manner.
>
> I don't want to speak for Marion, but with a full agenda perhaps y'all could
> come to the next NAGDU board meeting to CIVILLY discuss the issue. He may
> find to allow discussion on this at our meeting, but I suspect not as the
> agendas both days are full.
>
> This is the United States. As a result I will defend anyone's right to be
> wrong anytime. I won't take sides on this issue at this time. Suffice it
> to say I have seen problems when dogs have been left alone whether at the
> NFB or ACB convention. Also, I have seen problems and fights even when
> people are in the room. We are responsible for our guides at ALL times.
>
> When discussing the policy please keep this in mind.
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Shannon Dyer
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 3:04 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
>
> Cheryl,
>
> I'm not sure if you're intending to come across this way, but you're making
> it sound as if people are not welcome to express their opinions on this
> list. Not everyone is going to agree with every policy an organization sets
> forth, and many will choose to express their opinions. The last time I
> checked, this was not a list where we were spoonfed thoughts and expected to
> swallow them without uttering a word of complaint. Saying that a topic is
> stupid implies a lack of respect for the people participating in the topic.
> I, for one, object to this.
>
> Julie, as list moderator, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on
> this. Are we, or, are we not, allowed to express opinions that are not in
> agreement with current policies set forth by the NFB?
>
> Shannon and Caroline
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> On Jun 30, 2011, at 3:00 PM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>
> > Come to the National Convention when the Officers are up for elections and
> run, in the mean time, Marion Gwizdala is the President of this division,
> and we follow the policies.
> >
> >
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> Message: 25
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:38:34 -0400
> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> Message-ID: <0D44939F8C244192A13D45F84C658BCB at JkTC4D1>
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> Thanks Steven,
>
> I am not at all sure how the u.s. constitution worked it's way into the
> dialogue, but either way, cooler heads need to prevail. Many of us need to
> also understand that text in and of itself cannot convey emotion, well let
> me say that in most instances we all of us tend to lend the worst possible
> emotion to words when they are not our own or in agreement with our own.
>
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York 10004
> www.myblindspot.org
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Steven Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 6:28 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
> Ouch! I am going to chime in here as the attacks are becoming personal and
> although I am not the moderator, the moderator does see these posts, and you
> may want to refrain from personal attacks. Just a thought. It's a good
> discussion, and let's keep it that way.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Rovig, Lorraine
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:04 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
> Carl, FYI, Mr. Rizzi --the public spirited fellow -- thinks the U.S.
> Constitution says he can leave his guide dog in his hotel room without a
> babysitter and NAGDU can't stop him. The woman from Pawpower agrees with
> Rizzi. - Emails below.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Albert J Rizzi
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:56 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> Importance: High
>
> Rox,
>
> I never thought about putting the do not disturb sign on the door. I love
> that and will be using it going forward. that would certainly curtail my
> concerns about housekeeping going in and finding a bit more in the room then
> they anticipated.
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York 10004
> www.myblindspot.org
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
>
>
> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of The Pawpower Pack
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:49 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
> I just returned from the American Association of the Deafblind
> conference. I left my dog for about an hour or so to go swimming. I
> put the do not disturb sign on the door, and she was quiet the entire
> time-- my neighbor didn't hear a thing.
> I would agree that if a dog destroys or damages property in the room
> that it is the handler's responsibility to pay for that, just as they
> would if it was themselves, or their child. Laveau didn't do anything
> but lay by the door and wait while I was gone.
> I couldn't have gone swimming if I had been forced to take her with me.
> It is important to know your dog and to be sure he/she can handle
> being alone, but if a person is responsible, and if the person
> addresses and resolves any complaints so that they don't happen again,
> I don't see the issue here.
>
> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and
> taste good with ketchup.
> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> AIM: lillebriss
>
>
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> Message: 26
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 17:41:49 -0500
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] moderator notes
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> Hey all!
>
> Wow! There are a ton of messages. I haven't read through all of them
> yet. I will. In the meantime I wanted to interject a few things.
>
> first and foremost, some of the messages have had a tone that is
> bordering on rude. I am a very, very, strong advocate of letting people
> speak their mind. However the writer *must* always be polite and keep
> the message on thoughts, ideas, facts or plans. It is
> absolutely not okay to flame an individual or even an organization. Now
> before people go all crazy on me, please disagree to your hearts
> content. Please tell us all the things you don't like about the NFB.
> I'm all ears, but where I draw the line is when constructive
> critisism turns into just plain whining or worse.
>
> So explain why it is that you don't agree with the policy. Tell us an
> alternative that could work just as well or better to solve the problem
> of barking and other problems with guide dogs left unattended in hotel
> rooms. Tell us what you have done to ensure that your dog isn't barking
> even when you are not there to know for sure.
>
> I also think it's important for people to know the history behind this
> rule. It hasn't always been a policy of NAGDU and the NFB. Many years
> ago at an NFB convention in a very nice hotel that had given us very
> nice room rates, guide dogs came that had fleas and were generally a
> huge problem. This hotel would not host our conventions ever again
> after their horrible experience. It turns out that hotels, just like
> all other sectors of commerce, talk amongst each other. It got around
> that guide dogs at convention were a problem. Other hotels were very
> reluctant if not outright opposed to hosting our conventions. You will
> notice that NFB conventions get very, very good room rates. A hotel
> cannot deny a guest with a guide dog access, but when you are talking
> about an entire convention you are talking about a very different
> thing. The excellent room rates were in jeopardy. So NAGDU and the NFB
> came up with the plan to self regulate guide dog problems in order that
> the hotel would continue to give us the low room rates. This is why you
> are asked to not leave your dog unattended, to clean up accidents or to
> get a NFB affiliated person to assist instead of hotel staff.
> These policies were not dreamt up to single out guide dog users or to
> make our lives more difficult. They were drafted after problems
> occurred that were affecting the entire organization. So if there had
> been no fleas in the first place or no dogs barking like crazy in hotel
> rooms, we would not have these policies and would not be having this
> discussion right now.
>
> Thanks for making this list great!
> Julie
> NAGDU list moderator
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:48:22 -0400
> From: "Alysha" <anjeans at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
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> reply-type=original
>
> I can also see both sides of this argument. Disruptive dogs can certainly be
> a big issue, but I'm not sure NAGDU is handling it as well as we could. Of
> course our abilities are limited by the number of volunteers we can get, but
> has there ever been an effort to set up any kind of organized dog-sitting
> program during convention? I like the analogy to children; the NFB doesn't
> tell people how to handle there kids at convention, but they offer childcare
> during the day. I for one think I would actually enjoy volunteering some of
> my time to watch dogs while people are busy with non dog-friendly
> activities. There may be too many logistical issues to deal with for it to
> work, but I think it's worth considering.
>
> Also, I think people might take this policy better if it was a suggestion.
> Encouraging people to limit the amount of time they leave their dogs alone
> is far different, and in my opinion preferable, to forbidding them from
> doing it. We are all adults here, and I'm sure NAGDU, and the NFB, wants to
> avoid appearing to uphold some of those custodial attitudes we're always up
> in arms about :).
>
> And last, I'm really not okay with the argument that if you don't like the
> policy, you can just leave your dog at home because that's less hassle
> anyway. I hope most of you can see why this doesn't really make a whole lot
> of sense. NAGDU should be the last entity creating policies that drive
> people away from bringing their dogs to convention, and the choice to take a
> dog or not should be a freely made, personal decision. This argument is like
> saying that because access denials in cabs are such a problem, we should
> just never try and take a dog in a cab. I'm not trying to suggest that this
> policy is similar to an illegal access denial. I'm just saying that we
> shouldn't be told that the solution to dealing with a policy we disagree
> with is to leave our dogs at home.
>
> If this has consistently been coming up for several years as an issue, maybe
> it's time to look for some kind of compromise. Clearly some NAGDU members
> have no problem with the policy, but many others are quite opposed to it.
> I'm sure none of us want our dogs to be responsible for disturbances in the
> hotel, so maybe we can work together to suggest some positive, but still
> effective, alternatives to the current policy for the future.
>
> Alysha
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie McGinnity" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
>
> > Hi guys.
> >
> > Well, I leave my inbox for about 4 hours to go out to lunch and look
> > what happens! Explosion!
> >
> > I'm starting to become very amused over here. I am actually on the
> > fence about this one. On one hand, yes, nagdu does make this rule for
> > a good reason, and everything would run smoothly if we did not hear
> > barking and howling from guide dogs in hotel rooms. I understand.
> >
> > But... I think that a dog is like a child in the respect that it can
> > make noise like one. Some children can be left alone in a hotel room
> > for an hour, and they will be chill and watch tv or whatever, but some
> > children will make noise and bounce off the walls. People have to be
> > responsible and *know* that their dog will behave properly if they are
> > going to let it alone in the room. As every guide dog handler knows,
> > there are some things you can trust your dog to do, and there are some
> > things that are just too much for the dog.
> >
> > Just for fun... What about all the other noise that comes out of a
> > convention? What about canes hitting the walls at midnight? What
> > about rooms by offiliat action suites? Where people are partying and
> > carrying on. And with all the people, you can't tell me that people
> > don't get complaints about other things like children and loud groups
> > of people and who knows what else.
> >
> > I think this is a good discussion, and I really need to pick a side
> > here! It's unnerving to see both sides of an arguement. Lol
> >
> > On 6/30/11, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Lyn, I had tried to explain this when the stuff hit the fan, but it went
> >> in
> >> the wrong direction. slapping my own hand for trying to stop it.
> >>
> >>
> >> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> >>
> >> Cheryl Echevarria
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> >> 631-456-5394
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> >>
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> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Lyn Gwizdak<mailto:linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >> Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:15 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >>
> >>
> >> Here we go again on this topic that crops up every year before
> >> convention!
> >> (sigh! rolling of eyes)
> >>
> >> Sarah, NAGDU or anyone else isn't telling you what to do. Maybe Marion
> >> needs to spell it out each year - about how the NFB gets greats rates
> >> in
> >> hotels that host the annual convention. About how there are problems
> >> each
> >> year with folks who leave dogs in rooms and those dogs create problems
> >> with
> >> other hotel guests who don't want to hear howling dogs far into the
> >> night.
> >> About accidents dogs may have because people aren't as attentive as
> >> they
> >> should be to their dog's needs - and they leave the mess for others to
> >> step
> >> in and smear throughout the hotel. These problems can cause problems in
> >> NFB
> >> getting the great rates or even the hotels it gets for conventions.
> >>
> >> Guys, these rules are there to make it pleasant for all and I wish
> >> people
> >> would see it that way. But no, every year, we have people on the list
> >> who
> >> whine about their rights being tranpled or it paternalistic or
> >> something.
> >> this reminds me of kids who aren't getting their own way.
> >>
> >> THE RULES MAKE IT PLEASANT FOR ALL and nothing more.
> >>
> >> If there's a huge problem of wanting to enjoy convention without the
> >> hassles
> >> of having your dog with you all the time, you might like to look into
> >> the
> >> possibility of leaving your dog at home with a friend and bring your
> >> white
> >> cane. Some folks do this and that's fine.
> >>
> >> Now, everyone going have a great time! Sorry for this rant - I get as
> >> tired
> >> of seeing the complaining after Marion remeinds us of the NAGDU rule
> >> abouot
> >> dogs in the rooms alone. I completely agree with these rules and I
> >> abided
> >> them with no problem when I went to the convention.
> >>
> >> Lyn and Landon (waiting for the s**t to come my way)
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Sarah Clark"
> >> <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net<mailto:goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>>
> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:04 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >>
> >>
> >> > To consider it I would have to see that it is in fact a policy of
> >> this
> >> > particular hotel, and not of Nagdu. Nagdu doesn't have authority over
> >> what
> >> > I
> >> > do or don't do in my hotel room.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>
> >> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >> > Of cheryl echevarria
> >> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:27 AM
> >> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >> >
> >> > fyi, in any situation whether blind or sighted, hotels that allow
> >> dogs
> >> do
> >> > not allow them unattended, it is a fair statement that NAGDU follows
> >> this
> >> > policy.
> >> >
> >> > And if you are not going to convention then you have nothing to worry
> >> > about.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> >> >
> >> > Cheryl Echevarria
> >> >
> >> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
> >> > 631-456-5394
> >> >
> >> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com%3Cmailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>>
> >> >
> >> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> >> > CST-1018299-10
> >> >
> >> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise &
> >> Travel,
> >> > Inc.
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: Albert J
> >> Rizzi<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org>>
> >> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >> > Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:23 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I would have to agree here. It also harkens one to think that the
> >> very
> >> > organization which professes our need to be independent and self
> >> > determining, that perhaps those of us with a guide have no apparent
> >> > control
> >> > over our dogs. I for one leave my dog home from time to time and use
> >> my
> >> > cane. I never come home to anything other then a possible chewed up
> >> piece
> >> > of
> >> > random paper which I lef out. I also have traveled extensively and
> >> have
> >> > left
> >> > my guide in the hotel room, only to find what you would ask? a
> >> sleeping
> >> > dog,
> >> > who behaved perfectly while I was out. ridiculous.
> >> >
> >> > Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> >> > Founder
> >> > My Blind Spot, Inc.
> >> > 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> >> > New York, New York 10004
> >> >
> >> www.myblindspot.org<http://www.myblindspot.org/<http://www.myblindspot.org%3chttp//www.myblindspot.org/>>
> >> > PH: 917-553-0347
> >> > Fax: 212-858-5759
> >> > "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
> >> who
> >> > is
> >> > doing it."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From:
> >> nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>>
> >> > [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >> > Of Tracy Carcione
> >> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:15 PM
> >> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >> >
> >> > I object to this policy. I object to the notion that I need special
> >> > rules
> >> > and supervision because I choose to use a guide dog. It makes me
> >> feel
> >> > unwelcome at convention. Of course, I'd be perfectly welcome, if I
> >> > acknowledge that I need others to tell me how to handle my dog, or,
> >> > better
> >> > yet, leave the smelly troublmaking beast at home.
> >> > So I will be spending my time, money, and energy in places where I
> >> will
> >> > actually be treated like an intelligent, responsible adult. Too bad
> >> > that's not the NFB convention.
> >> > Funny thing is, I bet Marion would object too, if it wasn't NFB
> >> > leadership decreeing it.
> >> > Tracy
> >> >
> >> > > Dear All,
> >> > > In advance of the national convention, I want to remind
> >> everyone
> >> of
> >> > > the NFB policy concerning guide dogs during convention. It is the
> >> > > policy of the National Federation of the Blind, endorsed by the
> >> > > national Association of Guide Dog Users, that guide dog shall not
> >> be
> >> > > left unattended in guest rooms at any time. Violation of this
> >> policy
> >> > > may result in the member's restriction from attending the next two
> >> (2)
> >> > > conventions of the National Federation of the Blind. We appreciate
> >> > > your cooperation and adherence to this policy.
> >> > > As the person responsible for responding to concerns about
> >> guide
> >> > dogs
> >> > > during our conventions, I want to share that I have had the
> >> necessity
> >> > > to respond to at least two complaints during each convention for
> >> the
> >> > > past four years. In every case, I was told by the guide dog user
> >> that
> >> > > their dog does not bark when left alone, in spite of the evidence
> >> to
> >> > > the contrary. It is not my desire to prohibit our members from
> >> > > attending convention; however, it is also not my desire to allow a
> >> > > guide dog user to disrupt others at convention by another's
> >> > > irresponsible behavior. I encourage guide dog users to comply with
> >> > > this policy in an effort to maintain order and peace during
> >> > > convention.
> >> > >
> >> > > Fraternally yours,
> >> > > Marion Gwizdala, President
> >> > > National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> >> > > National Federation of the Blind
> >> > > 813-626-2789
> >> > >
> >> President at NAGDU.ORG<mailto:President at NAGDU.ORG<mailto:President at NAGDU.ORG%3Cmailto:President at NAGDU.ORG>>
> >> > >
> >> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG<http://www.nagdu.org/<http://www.nagdu.org%3chttp//www.nagdu.org/>>
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> >> > t>
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> >> >
> >> >
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Julie McG
> > Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
> > Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> > Eyes for the Blind
> >
> > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> > life."
> > John 3:16
> >
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 17:47:51 -0500
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> Message-ID: <4E0CFD17.5000905 at neb.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Rox,
>
> the short answer is because of how it affects negotiations for room
> rates and other convention arrangements for future years. Or at least
> this is how it has been explained to me.
>
> HTH
> Julie
>
>
>
> On 6/30/2011 3:44 PM, The Pawpower Pack wrote:
> > My question is, if people choose to leave dogs in the room, and if
> > dogs bark, why can't it be dealt with as it would if it were any other
> > dog, at any other conference? E.g. the handler asked, by hotel staff,
> > to leave the hotel for disturbing the people? Why must everyone else
> > be "punished" when they aren't guilty? If a dog barks, why can't it
> > be dealt with between the person and the hotel?
> >
> >
> > Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> > Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> > Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and
> > taste good with ketchup.
> > http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
> > pawpower4me at gmail.com
> > AIM: lillebriss
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
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> > nagdu:
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/julielj%40neb.rr.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 17:52:13 -0500
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> Message-ID: <4E0CFE1D.5050107 at neb.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Jeff,
>
> I see your point and to some degree you are correct. However I think
> the NFB could ensure that a person not get the cheaper group room rate
> or be eligible to register for convention and various events occurring
> at convention. But if a person really wanted to go to the same hotel at
> the same time as the convention was going on, I don't see how that could
> be prevented.
>
> Julie
>
>
> On 6/30/2011 3:58 PM, Jeffrey Young wrote:
> > How exactly can the NFB and Nagdu ban someone from attending convention? It seems a shallow threat that can't be inforced.
> >
> > Jeff and Hansel
> > On Jun 30, 2011, at 2:49 PM, The Pawpower Pack wrote:
> >
> >> I just returned from the American Association of the Deafblind conference. I left my dog for about an hour or so to go swimming. I put the do not disturb sign on the door, and she was quiet the entire time-- my neighbor didn't hear a thing.
> >> I would agree that if a dog destroys or damages property in the room that it is the handler's responsibility to pay for that, just as they would if it was themselves, or their child. Laveau didn't do anything but lay by the door and wait while I was gone.
> >> I couldn't have gone swimming if I had been forced to take her with me.
> >> It is important to know your dog and to be sure he/she can handle being alone, but if a person is responsible, and if the person addresses and resolves any complaints so that they don't happen again, I don't see the issue here.
> >>
> >> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> >> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> >> Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
> >> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
> >> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> >> AIM: lillebriss
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jeff.young8806%40gmail.com
> >
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> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:01:38 -0500
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> Message-ID: <4E0D0052.9040905 at neb.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Alysha,
>
> This was awesome! thank you!
>
> I did try to organize some sort of dog sitting pool a few years ago.
> There wasn't a lot of interest. I still think it is a good idea though.
>
> Julie
>
>
> On 6/30/2011 5:48 PM, Alysha wrote:
> > I can also see both sides of this argument. Disruptive dogs can
> > certainly be a big issue, but I'm not sure NAGDU is handling it as
> > well as we could. Of course our abilities are limited by the number of
> > volunteers we can get, but has there ever been an effort to set up any
> > kind of organized dog-sitting program during convention? I like the
> > analogy to children; the NFB doesn't tell people how to handle there
> > kids at convention, but they offer childcare during the day. I for one
> > think I would actually enjoy volunteering some of my time to watch
> > dogs while people are busy with non dog-friendly activities. There may
> > be too many logistical issues to deal with for it to work, but I think
> > it's worth considering.
> >
> > Also, I think people might take this policy better if it was a
> > suggestion. Encouraging people to limit the amount of time they leave
> > their dogs alone is far different, and in my opinion preferable, to
> > forbidding them from doing it. We are all adults here, and I'm sure
> > NAGDU, and the NFB, wants to avoid appearing to uphold some of those
> > custodial attitudes we're always up in arms about :).
> >
> > And last, I'm really not okay with the argument that if you don't like
> > the policy, you can just leave your dog at home because that's less
> > hassle anyway. I hope most of you can see why this doesn't really make
> > a whole lot of sense. NAGDU should be the last entity creating
> > policies that drive people away from bringing their dogs to
> > convention, and the choice to take a dog or not should be a freely
> > made, personal decision. This argument is like saying that because
> > access denials in cabs are such a problem, we should just never try
> > and take a dog in a cab. I'm not trying to suggest that this policy is
> > similar to an illegal access denial. I'm just saying that we shouldn't
> > be told that the solution to dealing with a policy we disagree with is
> > to leave our dogs at home.
> >
> > If this has consistently been coming up for several years as an issue,
> > maybe it's time to look for some kind of compromise. Clearly some
> > NAGDU members have no problem with the policy, but many others are
> > quite opposed to it. I'm sure none of us want our dogs to be
> > responsible for disturbances in the hotel, so maybe we can work
> > together to suggest some positive, but still effective, alternatives
> > to the current policy for the future.
> >
> > Alysha
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie McGinnity"
> > <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >
> >
> >> Hi guys.
> >>
> >> Well, I leave my inbox for about 4 hours to go out to lunch and look
> >> what happens! Explosion!
> >>
> >> I'm starting to become very amused over here. I am actually on the
> >> fence about this one. On one hand, yes, nagdu does make this rule for
> >> a good reason, and everything would run smoothly if we did not hear
> >> barking and howling from guide dogs in hotel rooms. I understand.
> >>
> >> But... I think that a dog is like a child in the respect that it can
> >> make noise like one. Some children can be left alone in a hotel room
> >> for an hour, and they will be chill and watch tv or whatever, but some
> >> children will make noise and bounce off the walls. People have to be
> >> responsible and *know* that their dog will behave properly if they are
> >> going to let it alone in the room. As every guide dog handler knows,
> >> there are some things you can trust your dog to do, and there are some
> >> things that are just too much for the dog.
> >>
> >> Just for fun... What about all the other noise that comes out of a
> >> convention? What about canes hitting the walls at midnight? What
> >> about rooms by offiliat action suites? Where people are partying and
> >> carrying on. And with all the people, you can't tell me that people
> >> don't get complaints about other things like children and loud groups
> >> of people and who knows what else.
> >>
> >> I think this is a good discussion, and I really need to pick a side
> >> here! It's unnerving to see both sides of an arguement. Lol
> >>
> >> On 6/30/11, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Lyn, I had tried to explain this when the stuff hit the fan, but it
> >>> went in
> >>> the wrong direction. slapping my own hand for trying to stop it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> >>>
> >>> Cheryl Echevarria
> >>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> >>> 631-456-5394
> >>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> >>> CST-1018299-10
> >>>
> >>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise &
> >>> Travel, Inc.
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Lyn Gwizdak<mailto:linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>> Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:15 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Here we go again on this topic that crops up every year before
> >>> convention!
> >>> (sigh! rolling of eyes)
> >>>
> >>> Sarah, NAGDU or anyone else isn't telling you what to do. Maybe
> >>> Marion
> >>> needs to spell it out each year - about how the NFB gets greats
> >>> rates in
> >>> hotels that host the annual convention. About how there are
> >>> problems each
> >>> year with folks who leave dogs in rooms and those dogs create
> >>> problems
> >>> with
> >>> other hotel guests who don't want to hear howling dogs far into
> >>> the night.
> >>> About accidents dogs may have because people aren't as attentive
> >>> as they
> >>> should be to their dog's needs - and they leave the mess for
> >>> others to
> >>> step
> >>> in and smear throughout the hotel. These problems can cause
> >>> problems in
> >>> NFB
> >>> getting the great rates or even the hotels it gets for conventions.
> >>>
> >>> Guys, these rules are there to make it pleasant for all and I wish
> >>> people
> >>> would see it that way. But no, every year, we have people on the
> >>> list who
> >>> whine about their rights being tranpled or it paternalistic or
> >>> something.
> >>> this reminds me of kids who aren't getting their own way.
> >>>
> >>> THE RULES MAKE IT PLEASANT FOR ALL and nothing more.
> >>>
> >>> If there's a huge problem of wanting to enjoy convention without the
> >>> hassles
> >>> of having your dog with you all the time, you might like to look
> >>> into the
> >>> possibility of leaving your dog at home with a friend and bring
> >>> your white
> >>> cane. Some folks do this and that's fine.
> >>>
> >>> Now, everyone going have a great time! Sorry for this rant - I
> >>> get as
> >>> tired
> >>> of seeing the complaining after Marion remeinds us of the NAGDU rule
> >>> abouot
> >>> dogs in the rooms alone. I completely agree with these rules and I
> >>> abided
> >>> them with no problem when I went to the convention.
> >>>
> >>> Lyn and Landon (waiting for the s**t to come my way)
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Sarah Clark"
> >>> <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net<mailto:goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>>
> >>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>> Users'"
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:04 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > To consider it I would have to see that it is in fact a policy of
> >>> this
> >>> > particular hotel, and not of Nagdu. Nagdu doesn't have authority over
> >>> what
> >>> > I
> >>> > do or don't do in my hotel room.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>
> >>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >>> > Of cheryl echevarria
> >>> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:27 AM
> >>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >>> >
> >>> > fyi, in any situation whether blind or sighted, hotels that allow
> >>> dogs
> >>> do
> >>> > not allow them unattended, it is a fair statement that NAGDU follows
> >>> this
> >>> > policy.
> >>> >
> >>> > And if you are not going to convention then you have nothing to worry
> >>> > about.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> >>> >
> >>> > Cheryl Echevarria
> >>> >
> >>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
> >>>
> >>> > 631-456-5394
> >>> >
> >>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com%3Cmailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>>
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> >>> > CST-1018299-10
> >>> >
> >>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise &
> >>> Travel,
> >>> > Inc.
> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> > From: Albert J
> >>> Rizzi<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org>>
> >>> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>> > Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> >>> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:23 PM
> >>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > I would have to agree here. It also harkens one to think that the
> >>> very
> >>> > organization which professes our need to be independent and self
> >>> > determining, that perhaps those of us with a guide have no apparent
> >>> > control
> >>> > over our dogs. I for one leave my dog home from time to time and
> >>> use my
> >>> > cane. I never come home to anything other then a possible chewed up
> >>> piece
> >>> > of
> >>> > random paper which I lef out. I also have traveled extensively
> >>> and have
> >>> > left
> >>> > my guide in the hotel room, only to find what you would ask? a
> >>> sleeping
> >>> > dog,
> >>> > who behaved perfectly while I was out. ridiculous.
> >>> >
> >>> > Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> >>> > Founder
> >>> > My Blind Spot, Inc.
> >>> > 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> >>> > New York, New York 10004
> >>> >
> >>> www.myblindspot.org<http://www.myblindspot.org/<http://www.myblindspot.org%3chttp//www.myblindspot.org/>>
> >>>
> >>> > PH: 917-553-0347
> >>> > Fax: 212-858-5759
> >>> > "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the
> >>> one who
> >>> > is
> >>> > doing it."
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > From:
> >>> nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>>
> >>>
> >>> > [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >>> > Of Tracy Carcione
> >>> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:15 PM
> >>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >>> >
> >>> > I object to this policy. I object to the notion that I need special
> >>> > rules
> >>> > and supervision because I choose to use a guide dog. It makes me
> >>> feel
> >>> > unwelcome at convention. Of course, I'd be perfectly welcome, if I
> >>> > acknowledge that I need others to tell me how to handle my dog, or,
> >>> > better
> >>> > yet, leave the smelly troublmaking beast at home.
> >>> > So I will be spending my time, money, and energy in places where
> >>> I will
> >>> > actually be treated like an intelligent, responsible adult. Too bad
> >>> > that's not the NFB convention.
> >>> > Funny thing is, I bet Marion would object too, if it wasn't NFB
> >>> > leadership decreeing it.
> >>> > Tracy
> >>> >
> >>> > > Dear All,
> >>> > > In advance of the national convention, I want to remind
> >>> everyone
> >>> of
> >>> > > the NFB policy concerning guide dogs during convention. It is the
> >>> > > policy of the National Federation of the Blind, endorsed by the
> >>> > > national Association of Guide Dog Users, that guide dog shall
> >>> not be
> >>> > > left unattended in guest rooms at any time. Violation of this
> >>> policy
> >>> > > may result in the member's restriction from attending the next two
> >>> (2)
> >>> > > conventions of the National Federation of the Blind. We appreciate
> >>> > > your cooperation and adherence to this policy.
> >>> > > As the person responsible for responding to concerns about
> >>> guide
> >>> > dogs
> >>> > > during our conventions, I want to share that I have had the
> >>> necessity
> >>> > > to respond to at least two complaints during each convention for
> >>> the
> >>> > > past four years. In every case, I was told by the guide dog user
> >>> that
> >>> > > their dog does not bark when left alone, in spite of the
> >>> evidence to
> >>> > > the contrary. It is not my desire to prohibit our members from
> >>> > > attending convention; however, it is also not my desire to allow a
> >>> > > guide dog user to disrupt others at convention by another's
> >>> > > irresponsible behavior. I encourage guide dog users to comply with
> >>> > > this policy in an effort to maintain order and peace during
> >>> > > convention.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Fraternally yours,
> >>> > > Marion Gwizdala, President
> >>> > > National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> >>> > > National Federation of the Blind
> >>> > > 813-626-2789
> >>> > >
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> Message: 31
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:32:22 -0700
> From: GARY STEEVES <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] dogs alone in hotel rooms
> Message-ID: <fb71eaf152f0a.4e0ca516 at shaw.ca>
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> Hi:
>
> Oh, I can't stop myself, I have to chime in. Cheryl I really appreciate your sense of responsibility with your dog but we all do not operate the same ways. I am not a person who likes to take my dog down to the pool or sauna when I'm in a resort so he can stay in the room and chill. Your arguement about the possibility of fire is compelling except that this could happen at your house when you are away as well with the same tragic results. However, I'm not going to take my dog to my bands gigs or to a football game just because I can. It's not good for him. I will not worry about things that will most likely not happen. ie: I could get trampled at the game and my dog will wonder what eveer happened to me. :)
>
>
> so as others have said, if I trust my dog to not go crazy barking or tearing apart the room then I will leave him for short periods of time alone. My dog will be lying in front of the door the whole time we are gone. :)
>
> anyway, my main point is that cheryl is right that we all need to be responsible owners but what that means will be different for each of us. With regards to the conventions policies I understand where they come from. If people aren't comfortable with them then they can just book into that hotel, or another one, at the normal room rates and not say they are with any convention.
>
> Enjoy the long weekend.
> Gary
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:38 am
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>
> > okay this is stupid. This is a policy that has been in affect
> > since 2007 that I have been a member. I never leave my dog
> > alone, or I don't bring my dog period.
> >
> > Again, being a travel professional, I've come across few if no
> > hotels that allow you to leave a dog alone in the rooms because
> > of possibility of damage or illness.
> >
> > Might I remind some of you a few years back that there was a
> > fire in one of our convention hotels, and thank god it was
> > nothing major, that hotel had to be evacuated, do you think that
> > if a fire or worse happens, that you will be allowed to run back
> > to you room and get your dog, heck no.
> >
> > Has nothing to do with anti-dog, which NFB isn't, it has to do
> > with responsibilities.
> >
> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> > 631-456-5394
> > reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> >
> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST-
> > 1018299-10
> >
> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise &
> > Travel, Inc.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: B Avila
> > Guerrero<mailto:guerrero.avila at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
> > Dog Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >
> >
> > I object as well! It's a good thing I wasn't planning on
> > coming. We are a
> > brand new Team, and if I had come, I was planning on
> > leaving her in my room
> > on occasion.
> > I am a fairly new NFB member, however, I have in the year
> > and a half I have
> > been a member, noticed a bias against Dogs, and a very
> > pro attitude towards
> > canes. This was evident by the t-shirt being promoted by
> > Louisiana Tech a
> > few months ago.
> > I think it's time I re-think my NFB membership>
> > Bertha
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-
> > bounces at nfbnet.org> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Tracy Carcione
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:15 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> > Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >
> > I object to this policy. I object to the notion
> > that I need special rules
> > and supervision because I choose to use a guide
> > dog. It makes me feel
> > unwelcome at convention. Of course, I'd be
> > perfectly welcome, if I
> > acknowledge that I need others to tell me how to handle
> > my dog, or, better
> > yet, leave the smelly troublmaking beast at home.
> > So I will be spending my time, money, and energy in
> > places where I will
> > actually be treated like an intelligent, responsible
> > adult. Too bad
> > that's not the NFB convention.
> > Funny thing is, I bet Marion would object too, if
> > it wasn't NFB
> > leadership decreeing it.
> > Tracy
> >
> > > Dear All,
> > > In advance of the national
> > convention, I want to remind everyone of
> > > the NFB policy concerning guide dogs during convention.
> > It is the
> > > policy of the National Federation of the Blind,
> > endorsed by the
> > > national Association of Guide Dog Users, that guide dog
> > shall not be
> > > left unattended in guest rooms at any time. Violation
> > of this policy
> > > may result in the member's restriction from attending
> > the next two (2)
> > > conventions of the National Federation of the Blind. We
> > appreciate > your cooperation and adherence to this policy.
> > > As the person responsible for
> > responding to concerns about guide dogs
> > > during our conventions, I want to share that I have had
> > the necessity
> > > to respond to at least two complaints during each
> > convention for the
> > > past four years. In every case, I was told by the guide
> > dog user that
> > > their dog does not bark when left alone, in spite of
> > the evidence to
> > > the contrary. It is not my desire to prohibit our
> > members from
> > > attending convention; however, it is also not my desire
> > to allow a
> > > guide dog user to disrupt others at convention by another's
> > > irresponsible behavior. I encourage guide dog users to
> > comply with
> > > this policy in an effort to maintain order and peace during
> > > convention.
> > >
> > > Fraternally yours,
> > > Marion Gwizdala, President
> > > National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> > > National Federation of the Blind
> > > 813-626-2789
> > > President at NAGDU.ORG<mailto:President at NAGDU.ORG>
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