[nagdu] thoughts on policy alternatives

The Pawpower Pack pawpower4me at gmail.com
Fri Jul 1 19:46:49 UTC 2011 

We could also gather a list of people who could volunteer to watch dogs. I would be willing to do this if I ever came to a convention.  I know that if I were needing to leave my dog for some reason I'd much, much rather a person come to my room and watch my dog rather than putting her in a strange place with strange dogs without me and with several people doing the watching. 
Perhaps giving people a few different options could help find a solution. 

Rox 
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On 1 Jul 2011, at 01:10 PM, Cindy <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:

> The folk from  the schools might at least have valuable input.
> 
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> On Jul 1, 2011, at 1:38 PM, "Michael Hingson" <mhingson at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Here is a thought which has worked elsewhere.
>> 
>> Perhaps some of the guide dog school reps who attend the convention might be
>> willing to have a room or rooms where they can baby sit dogs.  Ski for Light
>> does this.  Trainers may wish to do this, for example, rather than attending
>> the banquet.
>> 
>> Personally, I take Africa with me everywhere as I brought her and think it
>> is my responsibility to use her and be with her at all times.  I recognize
>> others feel differently and it is not my place to assume all will act as I
>> do.
>> 
>> 
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 8:17 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] moderator notes
>> 
>> Albert,
>>   Do you have any suggestions on how we should deal with the "bad apples" 
>> other than creating a policy, applicable to all, with specific remedies? I 
>> have heard a great deal of comments against the policy; however, none of 
>> those who disagree have offered an alternative.
>> 
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 7:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] moderator notes
>> 
>> 
>>> Well then perhaps the handlers should be banned rather then a whole
>>> community who for the most part are more on top of their responsibilities.
>>> It goes back to not letting one bad apple spoil the   whole bunch. Not
>>> cleaning up after ones dog is unconscionable. /
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Julie J.
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:04 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] moderator notes
>>> 
>>> Dan,
>>> 
>>> Fleas were just the beginning. There were also issues of barking and not
>>> cleaning up accidents.
>>> 
>>> Julie
>>> On 6/30/2011 7:28 PM, Dan Weiner wrote:
>>>> So let's see...some dogs had fleas and therefore the rule is not to leave
>>>> your dogs unattended?
>>>> Explain that one.
>>>> 
>>>> Dan W.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Julie J.
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 6:42 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] moderator notes
>>>> 
>>>> Hey all!
>>>> 
>>>> Wow!   There are a ton of messages.  I haven't read through all of them
>>>> yet.  I will.  In the meantime I wanted to interject a few things.
>>>> 
>>>> first and foremost, some of the messages have had a tone that is 
>>>> bordering
>>>> on rude.  I am a very, very, strong advocate of letting people speak 
>>>> their
>>>> mind.  However the writer *must* always be polite and keep
>>>> the message          on thoughts, ideas, facts or plans.  It is
>>>> absolutely not okay to flame an individual or even an organization.  Now
>>>> before people go all crazy on me, please disagree to your hearts content.
>>>> Please tell us all the things you don't like about the NFB.
>>>> I'm all ears, but where I draw the line is when constructive
>>>> critisism turns into just plain whining or worse.
>>>> 
>>>> So explain why it is that you don't agree with the policy.  Tell us an
>>>> alternative that could work just as well or better to solve the problem 
>>>> of
>>>> barking and other problems with guide dogs left unattended in hotel 
>>>> rooms.
>>>> Tell us what you have done to ensure that your dog isn't barking even 
>>>> when
>>>> you are not there to know for sure.
>>>> 
>>>> I also think it's important for people to know the history behind this
>>> rule.
>>>> It hasn't always been a policy of NAGDU and the NFB.  Many years ago at 
>>>> an
>>>> NFB convention in a very nice hotel that had given us very nice room
>>> rates,
>>>> guide dogs came that had fleas and were generally a huge problem.  This
>>>> hotel would not host our conventions ever again after their horrible
>>>> experience.  It turns out that hotels, just like all other sectors of
>>>> commerce, talk amongst each other.  It got around that guide dogs at
>>>> convention were a problem.  Other hotels were very reluctant if not
>>> outright
>>>> opposed to hosting our conventions.  You will
>>>> notice that NFB conventions get very, very good room rates.   A hotel
>>>> cannot deny a guest with a guide dog access, but when you are talking
>>> about
>>>> an entire convention you are talking about a very different thing.  The
>>>> excellent room rates were in jeopardy.  So NAGDU and the NFB came up with
>>>> the plan to self regulate guide dog problems in order that the hotel 
>>>> would
>>>> continue to give us the low room rates.  This is why you are asked to not
>>>> leave your dog unattended, to clean up accidents or to
>>>> get a NFB affiliated person to assist instead of hotel      staff.
>>>> These policies were not dreamt up to single out guide dog users or to 
>>>> make
>>>> our lives more difficult.  They were drafted after problems occurred that
>>>> were affecting the entire organization.  So if there had been no fleas in
>>>> the first place or no dogs barking like crazy in hotel rooms, we would 
>>>> not
>>>> have these policies and would not be having this discussion right now.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for making this list great!
>>>> Julie
>>>> NAGDU list moderator
>>>> 
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