[nagdu] booties

Wayne Merritt wcmerritt at gmail.com
Fri Jun 24 23:10:32 UTC 2011


No problem, happens to the best of us. Guess I should remember to put
my dog's name in the closing, :) Yes, I do have Gucci, a proud Seeing
Eye grad. She thinks that Seeing Eye is the best guide dog school
ever! I've tried to help her have a more balance viewpoint but alas,
I'm still working on her, :)

Wayne and Gucci

On 6/24/11, Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
> Sorry to all, that was a mistake, I thought it was a different Wayne, please
> don't be sore.
> I remember now, you're Wayne with Goochie?
>
> I was mistaken, something which even happens to  perfect  people like yours
> truly--lol.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 3:48 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] booties
>
> If you went to a guide dog school, then they may have booties you can
> buy or maybe they can recommend places to get them at. I've heard that
> Ruff Ware sells booties, and I think their address is:
> www.ruffware.com
>
> You might also find them at your local major pet store, like Pets Mart or
> Petco.
>
> Good luck,
> Wayne
>
> On 6/24/11, Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>> Where is a good place to get booties for our dogs?
>> I'm thinking of trying them out because of the hot sidewalks.
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Tara Chavez
>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 1:18 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] question about convention and booties.
>>
>> Hello all,
>> I have a couple of questions. I am currently debating whether or not to
> take
>> my guide dog with me to convention. I've heard opinions on both sides and
>> wonder what most people do.
>> I've heard not to take her because I'd end up stressing her out more, plus
>> I'd be worrying more about her and less likely to have fun at convention.
>> I've also heard that I should take her (or at least I think I should)
>> because of the experience of traveling and navigating the hotel and all
> that
>> with her by my side. I am curious what a lot of people do. I know as a
> guide
>> dog user that I am proud of that and I want the world to know that I have
> a
>> wonderful companion... Thoughts?
>> My other questions is about booties. I used them a lot last year when I
>> first came home, but not a whole lot since. Now that it's getting into the
>> 90's and up, I want to be able to work my dog in booties, but she gets
>> stressed when I put them on. I've tried putting them on and feeding her
>> dinner, since that was a suggestion from GDB when I asked them. I've also
>> tried clickering her for allowing me to put them on her, but she has been
> so
>> stressed that she won't accept even high-value reward. Any suggestions? I
>> can't not work my dog because of the heat, can I?
>> Thank you,
>> Tara
>>
>>
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>>    1. Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Hope Paulos)
>>    2. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Buddy Brannan)
>>    3. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Hope Paulos)
>>    4. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Marion Gwizdala)
>>    5. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Marion Gwizdala)
>>    6. Re: Different types of dogs (Tami Kinney)
>>    7. Re: [Flagdu] what the NFB Should Do! (Dan Weiner)
>>    8. Re: DIFFERENT TYPES OF DOGS (Tami Kinney)
>>    9. Re: what the NFB Should Do! (Tami Kinney)
>>   10. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Tami Kinney)
>>   11. Re: [Flagdu] what the NFB Should Do! (Tami Kinney)
>>   12. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Buddy Brannan)
>>   13. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Tami Kinney)
>>   14. . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Arthur Nolden)
>>   15. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Sean Moore)
>>   16. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (cheryl echevarria)
>>   17. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Julie Phillipson)
>>   18. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Tami Kinney)
>>   19. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (cheryl echevarria)
>>   20. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Marion Gwizdala)
>>   21. Cloning (Tracy Carcione)
>>   22. Re: Cloning (PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC))
>>   23. Success stats (Tracy Carcione)
>>   24. Re: Cloning (Tami Kinney)
>>   25. Re: Success stats (Tami Kinney)
>>   26. Re: Success stats (Sheila Leigland)
>>   27. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Margo and Arrow)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:37:45 -0400
>> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>> Message-ID: <6B86F91030FB44F6AE73B7A433F26478 at Espy>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
> Breeze
>> from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not attending
>> convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment and have
>> tickets filled out?
>> Thanks.
>> Hope and Beignet
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:52:39 -0400
>> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>> Message-ID: <35856142-62E1-4EEE-B450-71702C4DA917 at brannan.name>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a handy
>> Paypal link.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
>> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
>> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment and
>> have tickets filled out?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Hope and Beignet
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:25:26 -0400
>> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>> Message-ID: <B192608FE5C8458AA68DB537300A3308 at Espy>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> 	reply-type=original
>>
>> Thanks Buddy. Again, you're a life-saver. :)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a handy
>>> Paypal link.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
>>>> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
>>>> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
>>>> and have tickets filled out?
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Hope and Beignet
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> om
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:27:39 -0400
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>> Message-ID: <440C123849064754B6CFE0901F9B002B at marion27df4b2a>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> 	reply-type=original
>>
>> Hope,
>>     We attempted to make entries available through Pay pal; however, they
> do
>>
>> not allow raffles and shut it down. We are working to get our account
>> re-activated so we can collect membership dues. The challenge we would
> face
>> selling tickets outside of convention is how to accept payment. next year,
>> we will have learned how to use Pay Pal without breaching our user
>> agreement. If you have any suggestions as to how we can sell tickets
> without
>>
>> using Pay Pal, please feel free to make suggestions. We are open to
> allowing
>>
>> anyone who wants to support our projects the opportunity to do so!
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
>> National Federation of the Blind
>> 813-626-2789
>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:37 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>>
>>
>>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
>>> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
>>> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> and
>>
>>> have tickets filled out?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Hope and Beignet
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nagdu:
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>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/blind411%40verizon.ne
>> t
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:28:54 -0400
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>> Message-ID: <C132140FEFD44563B2E062079C3E80AC at marion27df4b2a>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> 	reply-type=original
>>
>> Buddy,
>>     Unfortunately, we had to shut down that option, as Pay Pal suspended
> our
>>
>> account! You were one of the few that got in before this happened. now we
>> are working to access those funds!
>>
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a handy
>>> Paypal link.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
>>>> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
>>>> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
>>>> and have tickets filled out?
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Hope and Beignet
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nagdu mailing list
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nagdu:
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>>>
>>>
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>> t
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:55:51 -0700
>> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Different types of dogs
>> Message-ID: <1308858951.2044.12.camel at tamara-desktop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Mardi,
>>
>> Just remember to collect and save some genetic material from Nala.
>> Cloning technology is improving, and costs are coming down as R&D
>> expenses are paid off. Unlike the adaptive tech market in a lot of areas
>> still.  But that's another matter.  I'm glad someone else will admit to
>> seriously wanting to do that.  /lol/  Blurting that out in conversation
>> can generate awkward silence broken by strangled stutterings.  I havent'
>> checked for awhile, but cloning is probably still beyond the means of
>> the likes of you and I... By the time I need to start looking for
>> Mitzi's successor, though, who knows? If it is possible for me to take
>> that route, who knows what I will decide, really?  She's only 5, and
>> genetic health problems could still show up (I'm in denial about that),
>> etc.  Physically, she is healthy and sound, except for some early issues
>> from bugs, not genes.  Her temperament is fantastic, and I love her
>> poodly brains and even obstinance at work, home and play.  Also, as I
>> keep telling her, she will be helping me raise herself, so that's
>> vengeance for me for her puppyhood.  /lol/  She grins and wags her tail
>> as if I am being silly.  Whether she knows what I am saying or not (I
>> really do wonder sometimes even when she can't possibly), I get the
>> impression she generally assumes that if I am talking, I am just being
>> silly for her amusement.  I then begin to wonder if I am a masochist
>> when it comes to guide dogs.  /lol/
>>
>> The greater choice in breed and individual is a big plus to
>> owner-training.  Except for the part where you're looking for the right
>> pup from the breed you've selected, which is really nerve-wracking and
>> can take a lot of time.  Unless you're lucky, which seems to have
>> happened to me with Mitzi.  Maybe that's another reason I just want to
>> clone her when the time comes.  I don't have to turn myself into a wreck
>> wondering if I will find that elusive new prospect in a puppy...  Scary
>> stuff, that! /smile/
>>
>> Glad Shaman is doing well and progressing.  He must be pretty adult,
>> too, by now and building up experience. That's when it starts to be real
>> fun. /grin/
>>
>> On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 17:29 -0700, Mardi Hadfield wrote:
>>> Hi all,  If you need a guide dog and go to a school to get it, you
>> probably
>>> don't have a lot of choice in what breed of dog you want. You may be able
>> to
>>> state a preference,but that is no guarantee that you will actually get
>> what
>>> you asked for. I think that for a first time  dog user, it is wise to let
>>> the school match you with the dog that they feel is best for you.Maybe on
>>> your second time you can get the kind of dog you want as you will have
> the
>>> experience of already working with a dog. Of course this is just my
>>> opinion,but to me it makes sense. On the other hand, if you are an owner
>>> trainer and have a certain preference, go for it!My chosen breed is the
>>> Siberian Husky. This is not the breed for every one! There are many cons
>> and
>>> some pros. For me, I needed a dog that could keep up with my power
>>> wheelchair and my very active life style.A breed that did not tire easily
>>> and could go all day. The husky fit the bill for me.Since I already had a
>>> husky service dog,I just trained her as a guide dog. She was a wonderful
>>> guide but had to be retired early as she got Vally Fever. This is a
>> disease
>>> limited to the southwest. She died unexpectedly a month after her
>>> retirement.I was lucky to have found another Husky to train as my next
>>> guide. This dog has been an exceptional guide dog. She has gone above and
>>> beyond as a guide dog.I don't expect to find another like her.I wish I
>> could
>>> have her cloned,but my finances being what they are,well it's just not
>>> possible. When I was looking for another dog to take over for Nala so she
>>> could retire, I just could not find a husky that could do the job. After
>>> trying several that "washed out",I expanded my search to other breeds. I
>>> found a Belgian Shepherd that had been rescued from a shelter. He was the
>>> one that worked out. He has become a wonderful guide. We had a few
>> setbacks
>>> in the beginning but he has worked out very well.To date, Nala,my second
>>> Husky has been the best guide I have ever had,but with time,who knows.
>>> Shaman may become just as good. He is excellent when it comes to traffic
>>> checks, and has already saved my butt several times!  Different people
>> have
>>> different needs when it comes to guide dogs. Some need fast dogs,some
> need
>>> slower dogs. I consider myself very lucky to have found dogs of the
> breeds
>>> that I like and had them become wonderful guides.But If I were to go to a
>>> school to get a dog sometime in the future, I would probably take
> whatever
>>> dog they matched me with as it is unlikely that I would get a Husky.Have
> a
>>> great day,  Mardi andShaman and Nala,retired.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:00:30 -0400
>> From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>> To: "'Florida Association of Guide Dog Users'" <flagdu at nfbnet.org>,
>> 	"'NAGDU List'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>, <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,
>> "'NFB
>> 	Chapter presidents'" <chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: marion.gwizdala at verizon.net
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [Flagdu] what the NFB Should Do!
>> Message-ID: <20110623200036.D2A959ABD at tonnant.cnc.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Well, I suppose in that case people really don't know aht to do to make
>> government have different priorities, that's not just about blind people.
>>
>> It's easy to see a problem but knowing what to do about it is always a
>> tricky thing.
>>
>> I'm not, of course, saying that people shouldn't join the organized blind
>> movement--smile--just telling you what I think.
>> People feel powerless.  Especially we blind people have spent most of our
>> lives being told not to do this or not to do that or we can't do things.
>>
>>
>> Dan W. and the Carter Dog
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:02:01 -0700
>> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] DIFFERENT TYPES OF DOGS
>> Message-ID: <1308859321.2044.18.camel at tamara-desktop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Oh! thanks for telling me so. As you may have guessed I love going about
>> my dog, dogs, my dog, every dog I've ever met... So I'm always glad when
>> my ramblings turn out to actually be helpful to someone. /smile/
>>
>> It's all my own experience and what I've picked up from others or other
>> dogs I've had, more and more informed by my growing experience as a
>> guide dog user.  So I'm better at evaluating pros and cons of the
>> various breed and type options in light of what I want in a guide.
>>
>> I've liked hearing what most others have said on the matter of
>> preference itself.  It is very, very individual when it comes right down
>> to it.
>>
>> The even more important thing is the individual dog we are matched with
>> or end up with meets our needs in a way that enhances our lives.  Which
>> seems to happen most of the time, so that's a good thing.  Glad you're
>> enjoying your pup and life as a guide dog handler!
>>
>> On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 17:47 -0700, Brittney N. Mejico wrote:
>>> Tami ,
>>> Thanks very informative!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tami Kinney
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:56 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] DIFFERENT TYPES OF DOGS
>>>
>>> Brittney,
>>>
>>> Were you also informed which preference you were supposed to
>>> have?  /evil grin/
>>>
>>> I thought the whole poodle as guide dog notion was pretty iffy when I
>>> first heard of it, but ended up putting in some time, energy and expense
>>> getting my hands on one anyway for practical reasons.  Now I can't
>>> understand why everybody else isn't running around demanding poodle
>>> guides... Until I remember that poodles are, you know, poodles.
>>> Definitely an acquired taste, but addictive once you get hooked.  Unless
>>> you want a quiet life, free of excitement and strife.  The lack of
>>> shedding is a big plus in a lot of ways, but the cost of grooming is not
>>> easy on a budget.  If you try to save now and then by stretching out
>>> time between trims, you find yourself doing nothing but grooming the
>>> poodle.  Well, Mitzi has the soft, thick, fine coat and an extra measure
>>> of it at that, so it is absolutely gorgeous and wonerful to the touch
>>> while being absolutely impossible to keep free of industrial-grade
>>> snarls close to the skin if you don't keep on it.  Also, the poodle does
>>> nto appear to be constructed to curl up in a tidy ball that will fit
>>> neatly under even a really big chair, so it you're uptight about the
>>> finer points of etiquette, a girl can really stress herself out about
>>> that until she finally gives up and loosens up and finds a way to
>>> achieve the same goals in a way that will actually work.  /lol/  From
>>> what I hear, bear-sized labs will curl up into tidy balls that will fit
>>> under toddler chairs and be perfectly comfortable doing it.  I'm
>>> exaggerating, but I've heard of folks with 90 pound labs that will fit
>>> places I have not been able to stuff my poodle to begin with, and even
>>> then bits of her start popping out like they've been spring-loaded, so I
>>> have driven myself nuts on the bus and train desperately trying to round
>>> up legs and noses and stubby tails enough for 7 dogs!  She would be
>>> trying to comply but she sure would sigh a lot. Also, she has a huge
>>> need to watch *everything* so our rules for keeping her out of the way
>>> and safe including her being positioned where she can do that without
>>> moving around.  She's a super-mellow poodle, so I am routinely assurred,
>>> but she is still a poodle.  That same vigilance and curiosity works out
>>> wonderfully when we're on the go, so I don't mind adjusting our seating
>>> arrangements to keep her from getting twitchy.  /smile/
>>>
>>> I've always had a yen for a sheperd guide and I still think they're
>>> still pretty high on my list.  The only thing that that breed loses
>>> points over is their shedding and tendency to be a bit harder on people
>>> with sensitivities to dander because of its pH or something... I
>>> wouldn't let that last part stop me getting one, but the shedding itself
>>> seems a bit daunting now that I'm spoiled.  Not having a budget crunch
>>> from profressional grooming all the time would be a big plus, that's for
>>> sure!  I might take on shaving and trimming a companion poodle myself,
>>> but my professional dog requires a professional haircut.
>>>
>>> Dobies also thrill me, for many of the same reasons GSDs do, only with
>>> shorter hair and less shedding and brushing. I'm lazy, so when Mitzi's
>>> curls are shorn and I can just wipe her off with a damp cloth to spiif
>>> her up for the most refined restaurant dining, I am happy as can be with
>>> that arrangement.  Dobie guide users speak of doing that with the dobie
>>> coat, so big, big plus!
>>>
>>> I would like a dog with less adorability and perhaps a bit more of a
>>> back-off quality and a rep to add some encouragement.  Mitzi has a
>>> pretty intense stare, but it just doesn't have the same effect on people
>>> as it does when it comes from what looks like a guard/police dog.  Here,
>>> at least.  The dirty little secret about poodles is that they're used as
>>> guard dogs in other countries because they're a lot like dobies and
>>> shepherds that way.  It's something to bear in mind, especially in
>>> choosing a poodle for guide work or anything else, really, since people
>>> who have encountered bad-tempered poodles are scared to death of the
>>> things.  They can turn nasty if the temperament is not respected in
>>> treatment and training.  Statistically, they're responsible for more dog
>>> bites than pit bulls.  That includes the smaller types, too, I guess,
>>> and those are more prone to temperament problems due to irresponsible
>>> breeders.  Sigh.  Anyway, Mitzi is, in a lot of way, a woolly doberman
>>> that just doesn't scare people because she's so cu-ute.  She does have,
>>> I have been told a very severe back-off look, but she seems to be more
>>> likely to use her direct stare and exotic dark eyes to draw people in
>>> and take control of their minds so that they will do whatever she wants
>>> them to. /lol/ I've never been able to see her eyes, really, and see her
>>> in my mind as not having any, but I can feel that stare and fall victim
>>> to its power.  Still, there are times it would be handy to have an
>>> equally nonaggressive dog that could scare people off properly just by
>>> looking at them.  Mitzi has become quite the pro at dealing with all the
>>> attention and reaching hands with grace and composure, and we've worked
>>> out ways to keep it from getting out of hand, but...  It would be nice
>>> to have my dog admired from a safe distance by people who are inspired
>>> to keep their hands to themselves.  /smile/
>>>
>>> Labs come in lower on the preference list simply because I like the
>>> herding/guarding breeds better, either as guides or as companions.  I
>>> like labs and just get giddy around my labbie friends and family -- my
>>> sister has a 106 lb. black lab Mitzi's age, and he is just so awesome
>>> and very labby in his manner and personality.  Out of habit, when I
>>> stood beside him, I held my hand over his back to measure him for a
>>> harness...  I would have to be a lot taller. He is a way cool dog and
>>> just love him.  But if someone were to offer me the choice between his
>>> exact clone and, say, a dobie or shepherd or poodle, I'd pick the other
>>> dog.  Still, labs will start moving up my preference scale at some point
>>> for the very traits that make them so popular and numerous.  In fact, by
>>> then I will no doubt be wanting an extra mellow, laid back, easy lab
>>> guide, and I will love having a lab around because they really are
>>> wonderful dogs.
>>>
>>> I just happen to prefer my super-alert, active, busy, difficult poodle
>>> and want something along the same lines in case she doesn't obey the
>>> live-forever command and I don't get her cloned.  /lol/
>>>
>>> I don't know if that is in any way informative, but I always love these
>>> questions because I learn so much about other handlers and the
>>> differences between breeds and inviduals. So I'll shut up and get to
>>> reading.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 16:21 -0700, Brittney N. Mejico wrote:
>>> > hello everyone,
>>> > I always wanted to ask.  Does the breed of dog you use as a guide
>> matter?
>>> > I know some guide dog users are really particular about a certain breed
>>> > and others don?t care?  Why is this?  Before I got my guide people
> asked
>>
>>> > me what type of dog I wanted  and I would ask, ?should I have a
>>> > preference?? and I was told that I shouldn??t care.  Before I start
>>> > rambleing  I just want to know the difference in different breeds?
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:32:44 -0700
>> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] what the NFB Should Do!
>> Message-ID: <1308861164.2044.30.camel at tamara-desktop>
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>> Marion, et al.,
>>
>> Agreed, re: article and well-said.  I appreciate the humor and the
>> expression of thanks to the doers, whether it's the bits or the bites we
>> contribute... While also making a strong statement.  /smile/
>>
>> As I learn more about the organization -- and thus its warts and those
>> of some of its people or even groups within the larger organization -- I
>> keep hearing a long ago boss and mentor from my early career: Never go
>> to the boss with a complaint without also having at least one solution
>> to offer.  Good advice from a wise woman! Having a solution to a problem
>> is much easier in the context of your job and department or company than
>> with a large member organization like the NFB, and at least one
>> organizational wart really sticks in my craw, making it easy to feel
>> whiney and powerless... But I know how much good I've gotten out of the
>> past work and the current work, so I am more motivated to do my little
>> bits to contribute... Very small bits! But those little things to keep
>> entertained enough to avoid complaining to adamantly about things I
>> would like to see done or changed, because then I would feel obligated
>> to help be part of the solution...  That thought does shut me up fairly
>> often.  Don't know if that's what my mentor had in mind, but if you're
>> afraid to complain you do have more time to do other things. /lol/
>>
>> On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 10:08 -0400, Margo and Arrow wrote:
>>> It's called taking ownership.  marion, well-said email and like Cindy, I
>>> think you might want to consider expanding it to a Monitor article.
>>>
>>> Margo and Arrow
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] what the NFB Should Do!
>>>
>>>
>>> > Marion, I think that was well said. I think you should enlarge upon it
>> and
>>> > make a Monitor article out of it. I know that variations have been done
>>> > before, but we can't hear it often enough.
>>> >
>>> > Cindy
>>> >
>>> > On Jun 23, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Dear All,
>>> >>    Please excuse this cross-posting but I think it is important enough
>>> >> that I wanted to share it with as many of you as possible. When I
> speak
>>
>>> >> with many blind people who find out I am a leader in the Federation, I
>>> >> often have them say, "The NFB should ...". You can fill in the blank
>> with
>>> >> a myriad of suggestions of what needs to be done to improve the lives
>> of
>>> >> the blind. Generally, my response is, "Are you a member of the NFB?"
>> The
>>> >> most frequent answer is "No!" This opens the door for me to share that
>>> >> the Federation is a membership organization -  a grass roots Movement
>> in
>>> >> which each member must be actively involved in order for us to improve
>>> >> our lives. It is not dr. Maurer; it is not the Board of Directors; it
>> is
>>> >> not the people who work at the National Center for the Blind; it is
> not
>>
>>> >> our divisions, our affiliates, or our chapters! It is each and every
>>> >> member of the movement! I then invite them to become a member of the
>> NFB
>>> >> and hear the same tired excuses of not being a joiner, not
>>> > having enough time, not wanting to choose sides, not agreeing with the
>>> > philosophy, yah dah yah dah yah dah yawn! "In other words," I say, "you
>>> > want someone else to solve your problems for you and are unwilling to
>>> > help. Is that right?" Of course, they think I am a rude, obnoxious,
>>> > belligerent Federationist, what my wife and I would call "C.B." -
>>> > Confirmation Bias - the bias that "All Federationists are (fill in the
>>> > blank!" and this experience confirms this belief!
>>> >>    I praise those of you who have joined me in our effort to improve
>> the
>>> >> lives of the blind. You have not made it someone else's problem to
>> solve;
>>> >> you have made it yours! To paraphrase the words of Mahatma Gandhi ,
>> "You
>>> >> are the change you want to see in the world!" Thank you for your
>> service
>>> >> and for joining me on the barricades! On to Orlando!
>>> >>
>>> >> Fraternally yours,
>>> >> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>> >> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
>>> >> National Federation of the Blind
>>> >> 813-626-2789
>>> >> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>> >> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:38:25 -0700
>> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>> Message-ID: <1308861505.2044.35.camel at tamara-desktop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Hope and Buddy,
>>
>> I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns out
>> they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know.  But
>> for this year, we've had to make adjustments.  Those who paid through
>> PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have the
>> tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how to
>> deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
>> everyone's convenience.
>>
>> Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
>> president at nagdu.org or Toni Whaley at treasurer at nagdu.org to see if you
>> can still get tickets.  Come to think of it, it passed off my radar when
>> we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
>> But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
>>
>> On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a handy
>> Paypal link.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
>> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
>> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment and
>> have tickets filled out?
>>> > Thanks.
>>> > Hope and Beignet
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:56:54 -0700
>> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [Flagdu] what the NFB Should Do!
>> Message-ID: <1308862614.2044.47.camel at tamara-desktop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Yeah, I'm pretty new to be told that kind of crap all the time, so I
>> just keep on getting real mad and obstinate.  But I started noticing way
>> too early on how often the constant battery would affect my thinking and
>> decision-making, even though i know better!  I am amazed -- and fairly
>> weary -- by how much work I have to put in just to keep myself from
>> starting to assume all those negative things about myself just because
>> I'm blind.
>>
>> That experience does give me a greater appreciation for anyone who has
>> been told that from childhood on for just getting up in the morning!
>> Especially from my own age range and on.  I realize that whatever the
>> pros and cons of progressive vision loss, with the crossover to using
>> noticeable adaptive methods and tools, the biggest benefit to me over my
>> lifetime until earlier this century has been that people weren't
>> treating me like I was blind! Also, driving and reading print a page at
>> a glance provided many opportunities to go, do, learn which are more
>> difficult and time-consuming now.  So that's something I have benefited
>> from especially in the context of my own generation.  But i thought the
>> way girls and women were treated then was bad and oppressive... Then I
>> picked up a new skinny white friend in the 21st century, when women can
>> do stuff like think and make decisions officially, and discovered what
>> *real* oppression is like.  Then I started learning how much better
>> things are now!  Yikes!  Well, they're getting better all the time,
>> because we're all just soldiering on together and each in our way, so
>> the adventure continues.
>>
>> Still, I can't truly grasp some of the attitudes of blind people toward
>> blindness, towards other blind people and towards themselves,
>>
>> On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 16:00 -0400, Dan Weiner wrote:
>>> Well, I suppose in that case people really don't know aht to do to make
>>> government have different priorities, that's not just about blind people.
>>>
>>> It's easy to see a problem but knowing what to do about it is always a
>>> tricky thing.
>>>
>>> I'm not, of course, saying that people shouldn't join the organized blind
>>> movement--smile--just telling you what I think.
>>> People feel powerless.  Especially we blind people have spent most of our
>>> lives being told not to do this or not to do that or we can't do things.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan W. and the Carter Dog
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 12
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:10:14 -0400
>> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>> Message-ID: <3A19B225-D79A-4497-9F65-264DCAB3F698 at brannan.name>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> So wait. I was able to buy tickets with Paypal and got a payment
>> confirmation, so did I get them or am I outa luck?
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
>>
>>> Hope and Buddy,
>>>
>>> I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns out
>>> they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know.  But
>>> for this year, we've had to make adjustments.  Those who paid through
>>> PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have the
>>> tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how to
>>> deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
>>> everyone's convenience.
>>>
>>> Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
>>> president at nagdu.org or Toni Whaley at treasurer at nagdu.org to see if you
>>> can still get tickets.  Come to think of it, it passed off my radar when
>>> we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
>>> But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> handy
>> Paypal link.
>>>> --
>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
>> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
>> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment and
>> have tickets filled out?
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Hope and Beignet
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:38:01 -0700
>> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>> Message-ID: <1308865081.2044.49.camel at tamara-desktop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Buddy, you are in the running for the Breeze, no worries. As is anyone
>> else who paid before we had to cease and desist. Sorry for the
>> confusion!
>>
>> On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 17:10 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>> So wait. I was able to buy tickets with Paypal and got a payment
>> confirmation, so did I get them or am I outa luck?
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hope and Buddy,
>>> >
>>> > I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns
> out
>>> > they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know.  But
>>> > for this year, we've had to make adjustments.  Those who paid through
>>> > PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have the
>>> > tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how to
>>> > deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
>>> > everyone's convenience.
>>> >
>>> > Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
>>> > president at nagdu.org or Toni Whaley at treasurer at nagdu.org to see if you
>>> > can still get tickets.  Come to think of it, it passed off my radar
> when
>>> > we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
>>> > But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
>> handy Paypal link.
>>> >> --
>>> >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
>> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
>> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment and
>> have tickets filled out?
>>> >>> Thanks.
>>> >>> Hope and Beignet
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 14
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:22:23 -0400
>> From: "Arthur Nolden" <anolden at tampabay.rr.com>
>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>> Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>> Message-ID: <31BE0B810A9449B28F6C885AD16CD11C at yourc6417768d6>
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>>
>>
>> Blind People Are Faking It!
>>
>> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a secret
>> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead vicious
>> attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also have
> a
>> secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence seems to
> indicate
>> that they may even possess senses superior to those of other humans. We're
>> speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called blind.
>>
>> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
> first
>> place.  If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight, how does
>> that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Ronnie Milsap?
> How
>> could such men possibly play music if they were blind? What do they take
> us
>> for-ignorant
>> saps?
>> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
>> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel on
>> their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are supposed
> to
>> help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as if the
>> bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the weapon's tip is
>> painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied the mysterious
>> fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be wielded with
> deadly
>> force by those with skill.
>>
>> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
>> could quickly overwhelm our police forces.  Their fearsome nature
>> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged blind
> also
>> own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of guidance along
>> city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these slavering
>> "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
>>
>> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species of
>> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has somehow
>> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled.  The most
> frightening
>> aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their ability to
> communicate
>> with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens. Their secret code
>> consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged into arcane shapes.
>> Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun popping up in places
>> that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane, everyday outward
> appearance:
>> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the like.
>>
>> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue attention.
> But
>> think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we know?
>> Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs will
> change
>> from "second
>> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown into
> the
>> chaos of revolution.
>>
>> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are planning
> such
>> a revolution.  We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can one group
>> possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use it to
> seize
>> power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
>>
>> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
> threat
>> where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of the blind
>> menace.
>>
>> Alan P., Nevada.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:38:06 -0400
>> From: "Sean Moore" <sean.moore at mediacombb.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>> Message-ID: <C5461A4DD88D4166ACE61067E467507E at aspireone>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> 	reply-type=original
>>
>> What the ...?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arthur Nolden" <anolden at tampabay.rr.com>
>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:22 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Blind People Are Faking It!
>>>
>>> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a secret
>>> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead vicious
>>> attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also
> have
>>
>>> a secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence seems to
>>> indicate that they may even possess senses superior to those of other
>>> humans. We're speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called blind.
>>>
>>> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
>>> first place.  If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight,
> how
>>
>>> does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Ronnie
>>> Milsap? How could such men possibly play music if they were blind? What
> do
>>
>>> they take us for-ignorant
>>> saps?
>>> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
>>> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel on
>>> their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are supposed
>>> to help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as if
>>> the bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the weapon's
>>> tip is painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied the
>>> mysterious fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be
>>> wielded with deadly force by those with skill.
>>>
>>> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
>>> could quickly overwhelm our police forces.  Their fearsome nature
>>> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged blind
>>> also own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of guidance
>>> along city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these
>>> slavering "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
>>>
>>> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species of
>>> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has somehow
>>> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled.  The most
>>> frightening aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their ability
>>> to communicate with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens. Their
>>> secret code consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged into
>>> arcane shapes. Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun
> popping
>>
>>> up in places that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane, everyday
>>> outward appearance:
>>> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the like.
>>>
>>> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue attention.
>>> But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we
>>> know? Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs
>>> will change from "second
>>> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown into
>>> the chaos of revolution.
>>>
>>> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are planning
>>> such a revolution.  We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can one
>>> group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use it
>>> to seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
>>>
>>> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
>>> threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of the
>>> blind menace.
>>>
>>> Alan P., Nevada.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nagdu:
>>>
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sean.moore%40mediacom
>> bb.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:39:14 -0400
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds8084A15951C07A96F9600A1520 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> well you can do it this way, just have a paypal button, doesn't have to be
>> for raffles. Just put in the information for payment of donation or
>> whatever, doesn't have to say raffle.
>>
>> Then e-mail the contact person and let them know off list that it was for
>> the Raffle.
>>
>> There are ways around it.
>>
>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
>> 631-456-5394
>>
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
>>
>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> CST-1018299-10
>>
>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
> Inc.
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Tami Kinney<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>   To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>   Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 4:38 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>>
>>
>>   Hope and Buddy,
>>
>>   I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns out
>>   they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know.  But
>>   for this year, we've had to make adjustments.  Those who paid through
>>   PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have the
>>   tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how to
>>   deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
>>   everyone's convenience.
>>
>>   Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
>>   president at nagdu.org<mailto:president at nagdu.org> or Toni Whaley at
>> treasurer at nagdu.org<mailto:treasurer at nagdu.org> to see if you
>>   can still get tickets.  Come to think of it, it passed off my radar when
>>   we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
>>   But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
>>
>>   On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>   > Hi,
>>   >
>>   > Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
>> handy Paypal link.
>>   > --
>>   > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>   > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>   >
>>   >
>>   >
>>   > On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
>>   >
>>   > > Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the
> Trekker
>> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
>> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment and
>> have tickets filled out?
>>   > > Thanks.
>>   > > Hope and Beignet
>>   > > _______________________________________________
>>   > > nagdu mailing list
>>   > > nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>   > >
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org<http://www.nfbnet.or
>> g/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org>
>>   > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> for
>> nagdu:
>>   > >
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/buddy%40brannan.name<
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/buddy%40brannan.name>
>>   >
>>   >
>>   > _______________________________________________
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>>   >
>>
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>> g/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org>
>>   > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nagdu:
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>>
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>>
> .net<http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/tamara.8024%40co
>> mcast.net>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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>> 40hotmail.com>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:19:46 -0400
>> From: "Julie Phillipson" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>> Message-ID: <4DAE90F955164F5AB7709851EC36B4D1 at acer4d025c48b8>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> 	reply-type=response
>>
>> WHAT WAS NOT SAID ON THIS IS BELOW.
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Below is something that if you can't laugh at far out humer then I would
>> suggest not reading it. The spoof came from a publication in Madison
>> Wisconsin that does this kind of thing. Not sure how appropriate it is for
>> the list, but sometimes one just needs to be a little crazy!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Julie Phillipson
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sean Moore" <sean.moore at mediacombb.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>>
>>
>>> What the ...?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Arthur Nolden" <anolden at tampabay.rr.com>
>>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:22 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Blind People Are Faking It!
>>>>
>>>> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a secret
>>>> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
> vicious
>>
>>>> attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also
>>>> have a secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence seems
>>>> to indicate that they may even possess senses superior to those of other
>>>> humans. We're speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called
> blind.
>>>>
>>>> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
>>>> first place.  If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight,
>>>> how does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Ronnie
>>>> Milsap? How could such men possibly play music if they were blind? What
>>>> do they take us for-ignorant
>>>> saps?
>>>> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
>>>> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel
> on
>>
>>>> their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
> supposed
>>
>>>> to help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as if
>>>> the bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the weapon's
>>>> tip is painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied the
>>>> mysterious fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be
>>>> wielded with deadly force by those with skill.
>>>>
>>>> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
>>>> could quickly overwhelm our police forces.  Their fearsome nature
>>>> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged blind
>>>> also own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of guidance
>>>> along city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these
>>>> slavering "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species of
>>>> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has somehow
>>>> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled.  The most
>>>> frightening aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their ability
>>>> to communicate with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens.
> Their
>>
>>>> secret code consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged into
>>>> arcane shapes. Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun
>>>> popping up in places that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane,
>>>> everyday outward appearance:
>>>> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the like.
>>>>
>>>> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue attention.
>>>> But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we
>>>> know? Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs
>>>> will change from "second
>>>> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown into
>>>> the chaos of revolution.
>>>>
>>>> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are planning
>>>> such a revolution.  We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can one
>>>> group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use
> it
>>
>>>> to seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
>>>>
>>>> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
>>>> threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of
> the
>>
>>>> blind menace.
>>>>
>>>> Alan P., Nevada.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nagdu:
>>>>
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sean.moore%40mediacom
>> bb.net
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nagdu:
>>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:31:13 -0700
>> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>> Message-ID: <1308889873.2959.55.camel at tamara-desktop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> OMG! ROTFL! Heard the audio version a couple of days ago, but it just
>> never stops being hysterical.  Especially the way my new screen reader
>> does it.  I think I might have sprained something laughing!
>>
>> On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 18:22 -0400, Arthur Nolden wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Blind People Are Faking It!
>>>
>>> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a secret
>> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead vicious
>> attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also have
> a
>> secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence seems to
> indicate
>> that they may even possess senses superior to those of other humans. We're
>> speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called blind.
>>>
>>> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
>> first place.  If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight, how
>> does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Ronnie
> Milsap?
>> How could such men possibly play music if they were blind? What do they
> take
>> us for-ignorant
>>> saps?
>>> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
>> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel on
>> their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are supposed
> to
>> help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as if the
>> bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the weapon's tip is
>> painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied the mysterious
>> fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be wielded with
> deadly
>> force by those with skill.
>>>
>>> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
>>> could quickly overwhelm our police forces.  Their fearsome nature
>> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged blind
> also
>> own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of guidance along
>> city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these slavering
>> "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
>>>
>>> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species of
>> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has somehow
>> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled.  The most
> frightening
>> aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their ability to
> communicate
>> with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens. Their secret code
>> consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged into arcane shapes.
>> Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun popping up in places
>> that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane, everyday outward
> appearance:
>>> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the like.
>>>
>>> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue attention.
>> But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we
> know?
>> Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs will
> change
>> from "second
>>> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown into
>> the chaos of revolution.
>>>
>>> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are planning
>> such a revolution.  We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can one
>> group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use it
> to
>> seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
>>>
>>> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
>> threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of the
>> blind menace.
>>>
>>> Alan P., Nevada.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nagdu:
>>>
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/tamara.8024%40comcast
>> .net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 19
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 05:47:57 -0400
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds13BBC737B2BC34501713C2A1520 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> it is funny ART, you are funny.
>>
>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
>> 631-456-5394
>>
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
>>
>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> CST-1018299-10
>>
>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
> Inc.
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Julie Phillipson<mailto:jbrew48 at verizon.net>
>>   To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>   Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:19 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>>
>>
>>   WHAT WAS NOT SAID ON THIS IS BELOW.
>>   Hi everyone,
>>
>>   Below is something that if you can't laugh at far out humer then I would
>>   suggest not reading it. The spoof came from a publication in Madison
>>   Wisconsin that does this kind of thing. Not sure how appropriate it is
> for
>>
>>   the list, but sometimes one just needs to be a little crazy!!
>>
>>
>>
>>   Julie Phillipson
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: "Sean Moore"
>> <sean.moore at mediacombb.net<mailto:sean.moore at mediacombb.net>>
>>   To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>   <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>>   Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:38 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>>
>>
>>   > What the ...?
>>   > ----- Original Message -----
>>   > From: "Arthur Nolden"
>> <anolden at tampabay.rr.com<mailto:anolden at tampabay.rr.com>>
>>   > To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>>   > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:22 PM
>>   > Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>>   >
>>   >
>>   >>
>>   >>
>>   >>
>>   >> Blind People Are Faking It!
>>   >>
>>   >> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a
>> secret
>>   >> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
>> vicious
>>   >> attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also
>>   >> have a secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence
> seems
>>
>>   >> to indicate that they may even possess senses superior to those of
>> other
>>   >> humans. We're speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called
>> blind.
>>   >>
>>   >> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in
> the
>>   >> first place.  If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of
> sight,
>>   >> how does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and
>> Ronnie
>>   >> Milsap? How could such men possibly play music if they were blind?
> What
>>
>>   >> do they take us for-ignorant
>>   >> saps?
>>   >> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of
> armed
>>   >> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a
> cudgel
>> on
>>   >> their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
>> supposed
>>   >> to help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as
> if
>>
>>   >> the bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the
> weapon's
>>
>>   >> tip is painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied
> the
>>   >> mysterious fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be
>>   >> wielded with deadly force by those with skill.
>>   >>
>>   >> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
>>   >> could quickly overwhelm our police forces.  Their fearsome nature
>>   >> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged
> blind
>>
>>   >> also own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of
>> guidance
>>   >> along city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these
>>   >> slavering "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
>>   >>
>>   >> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species
>> of
>>   >> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has
>> somehow
>>   >> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled.  The most
>>   >> frightening aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their
>> ability
>>   >> to communicate with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens.
>> Their
>>   >> secret code consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged
> into
>>
>>   >> arcane shapes. Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun
>>   >> popping up in places that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane,
>>   >> everyday outward appearance:
>>   >> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the
>> like.
>>   >>
>>   >> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue
>> attention.
>>   >> But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would
> we
>>   >> know? Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the
> signs
>>   >> will change from "second
>>   >> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown
> into
>>
>>   >> the chaos of revolution.
>>   >>
>>   >> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are
> planning
>>
>>   >> such a revolution.  We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can
>> one
>>   >> group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to
> use
>> it
>>   >> to seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
>>   >>
>>   >> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
>>   >> threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of
>> the
>>   >> blind menace.
>>   >>
>>   >> Alan P., Nevada.
>>   >>
>>   >>
>>   >>
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>> Message: 20
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:30:47 -0400
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>> Message-ID: <B560BFA05E674B108AC90002C499A6FB at marion27df4b2a>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> 	reply-type=original
>>
>> Cheryl,
>>     Thanks for the info. we are not going to pursue this for year, as I
>> believe it would probably raise some red flags with Pay Pal. We will
>> consider this option for next year's *drawing*!
>>
>> Marion
>>
>> this
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>>
>>
>>> well you can do it this way, just have a paypal button, doesn't have to
> be
>>
>>> for raffles. Just put in the information for payment of donation or
>>> whatever, doesn't have to say raffle.
>>>
>>> Then e-mail the contact person and let them know off list that it was for
>>> the Raffle.
>>>
>>> There are ways around it.
>>>
>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>
>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
>>> 631-456-5394
>>>
>>
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
>>>
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>>> CST-1018299-10
>>>
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
>>> Inc.
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: Tami Kinney<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>  To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>  Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 4:38 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hope and Buddy,
>>>
>>>  I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns out
>>>  they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know.  But
>>>  for this year, we've had to make adjustments.  Those who paid through
>>>  PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have the
>>>  tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how to
>>>  deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
>>>  everyone's convenience.
>>>
>>>  Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
>>>  president at nagdu.org<mailto:president at nagdu.org> or Toni Whaley at
>>> treasurer at nagdu.org<mailto:treasurer at nagdu.org> to see if you
>>>  can still get tickets.  Come to think of it, it passed off my radar when
>>>  we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
>>>  But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
>>>
>>>  On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>  > Hi,
>>>  >
>>>  > Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
>>> handy Paypal link.
>>>  > --
>>>  > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>  > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
>>>  >
>>>  > > Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the
> Trekker
>>
>>> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
>>> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> and
>>
>>> have tickets filled out?
>>>  > > Thanks.
>>>  > > Hope and Beignet
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>>>  > >
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 21
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:18:15 -0400
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Cloning
>> Message-ID: <9b4cadb7cfeb707c2f4ff952f8abca3c.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> I heard a story about cloning on NPR a few weeks ago.  A police department
>> tried cloning a police dog with a really super nose and other great
>> characteristics.  The clones noses were just so-so, not the same as the
>> original.  I thought that was interesting.
>> I've sometimes wished I could clone one of my dogs.  But it might still
>> not be the same.  And I'd miss getting to know the wonderful uniqueness of
>> the next dog.  Vive la difference! It is in the natural order of things to
>> have to let go of the old and embrace the new.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 22
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:20:47 +0000
>> From: "PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'"	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Cloning
>> Message-ID: <AAE38548E198F64B8E345439B68CCC781260AE37 at TSEAMB02>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Keep in mind with cloning, you are not cloning souls. We all have them We
>> also are not cloning experiences and interpertations on experiences. We
> all
>> have those too.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Tracy Carcione
>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:18 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Cloning
>>
>> I heard a story about cloning on NPR a few weeks ago.  A police department
>> tried cloning a police dog with a really super nose and other great
>> characteristics.  The clones noses were just so-so, not the same as the
>> original.  I thought that was interesting.
>> I've sometimes wished I could clone one of my dogs.  But it might still
>> not be the same.  And I'd miss getting to know the wonderful uniqueness of
>> the next dog.  Vive la difference! It is in the natural order of things to
>> have to let go of the old and embrace the new.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 23
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:44:15 -0400
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Success stats
>> Message-ID: <e41fac95e159265db497442342f4b9d2.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> In the latest Seeing Eye annual report, they talk about working to improve
>> their success rate from birth to a successful match.  The report said that
>> 80% of the dogs that enter training make it through.  It also said that
>> they have lowered the number of puppies they need to breed in order to
>> have enough for training, but, looking at the numbers, it looks like
>> roughly 2 to 1--509 pups born, 254 partnered with students.
>> I remember reading, ages ago, that only 50% of guide dog puppies make it
>> through, and these stats look about the same, to me.
>> I would really like to know if GDB's new methods have changed that ratio
>> significantly.  I'm also curious if it's about the same at other schools.
>> 50% seems pretty poor to me, but maybe that's just how it is.  Anyway,
>> these sorts of stats interest me, and I thought they might interest
>> others, too.  If anyone else has different stats, I'd love to find out
>> more.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 24
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:24:44 -0700
>> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Cloning
>> Message-ID: <1308932684.2091.34.camel at tamara-desktop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> True! Since I plan to have several years before I have to make a
>> decision, I can have fun with idea of doing it because I really do adore
>> my poodle girl and want to hang on to her forever... When the time
>> comes, and it's a *real* decision, who knows? As a lifelong sci-fi nut,
>> it's just really exciting that we can now discuss the pros and cons
>> seriuosly because we're not just making things up that will never be
>> possible.  /smile/
>>
>> On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 10:18 -0400, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>>> I heard a story about cloning on NPR a few weeks ago.  A police
> department
>>> tried cloning a police dog with a really super nose and other great
>>> characteristics.  The clones noses were just so-so, not the same as the
>>> original.  I thought that was interesting.
>>> I've sometimes wished I could clone one of my dogs.  But it might still
>>> not be the same.  And I'd miss getting to know the wonderful uniqueness
> of
>>> the next dog.  Vive la difference! It is in the natural order of things
> to
>>> have to let go of the old and embrace the new.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 25
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:30:36 -0700
>> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Success stats
>> Message-ID: <1308933036.2091.39.camel at tamara-desktop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Tracy, I read the older stats you mentioned when I was researching the
>> notion of owner-training, and they were awfully daunting since I was
>> looking for one dog which meant I needed a 100 percent success rate to
>> have a guide dog.  And this was how it was working out for people who
>> actually knew what they were doing?  /lol/ There was also an equally
>> daunting ratio of returns after the match or early retirements...  I got
>> the dog I found anyway and figured that I'd just start training her and
>> see what happened.
>>
>> Anyway, thanks for sharing the updated info.  I do have a vague item
>> penciled in way down on my to do list to look into what changes there
>> have been over time at various programs, so I'm glad someone else does
>> that, too, and lets others know.  Cool!
>>
>> On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 11:44 -0400, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>>> In the latest Seeing Eye annual report, they talk about working to
> improve
>>> their success rate from birth to a successful match.  The report said
> that
>>> 80% of the dogs that enter training make it through.  It also said that
>>> they have lowered the number of puppies they need to breed in order to
>>> have enough for training, but, looking at the numbers, it looks like
>>> roughly 2 to 1--509 pups born, 254 partnered with students.
>>> I remember reading, ages ago, that only 50% of guide dog puppies make it
>>> through, and these stats look about the same, to me.
>>> I would really like to know if GDB's new methods have changed that ratio
>>> significantly.  I'm also curious if it's about the same at other schools.
>>> 50% seems pretty poor to me, but maybe that's just how it is.  Anyway,
>>> these sorts of stats interest me, and I thought they might interest
>>> others, too.  If anyone else has different stats, I'd love to find out
>>> more.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 26
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:58:23 -0600
>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Success stats
>> Message-ID: <auto-000290016377 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> The fifty percent is what I've heard and it seems low to me also. I hope
> it
>> changes or has changed.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 27
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:56:17 -0400
>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>> Message-ID: <00EEE5F0BE5247D9BA2FCD3E80653E45 at meandmyarrow>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> 	reply-type=response
>>
>> It's from the Onion and the Onion spoofs everyone and everything.
>>
>> Margo and Arrow
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Julie Phillipson" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>>
>>
>>> WHAT WAS NOT SAID ON THIS IS BELOW.
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Below is something that if you can't laugh at far out humer then I would
>>> suggest not reading it. The spoof came from a publication in Madison
>>> Wisconsin that does this kind of thing. Not sure how appropriate it is
> for
>>
>>> the list, but sometimes one just needs to be a little crazy!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Julie Phillipson
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Sean Moore" <sean.moore at mediacombb.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>>>
>>>
>>>> What the ...?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Arthur Nolden" <anolden at tampabay.rr.com>
>>>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:22 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Blind People Are Faking It!
>>>>>
>>>>> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a
> secret
>>
>>>>> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
>>>>> vicious attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious
> folk
>>
>>>>> also have a secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence
>>>>> seems to indicate that they may even possess senses superior to those
> of
>>
>>>>> other humans. We're speaking, of course, of the legions of the
> so-called
>>
>>>>> blind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
>>>>> first place.  If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight,
>>>>> how does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and
> Ronnie
>>
>>>>> Milsap? How could such men possibly play music if they were blind? What
>>>>> do they take us for-ignorant
>>>>> saps?
>>>>> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
>>>>> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel
>>>>> on their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
>>>>> supposed to help them feel their way along. They are painted white,
>>>>> almost as if the bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and
>>>>> the weapon's tip is painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have
>>>>> studied the mysterious fighting arts of the Orient know that such
> sticks
>>
>>>>> may be wielded with deadly force by those with skill.
>>>>>
>>>>> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
>>>>> could quickly overwhelm our police forces.  Their fearsome nature
>>>>> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged blind
>>>>> also own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of
> guidance
>>
>>>>> along city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these
>>>>> slavering "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species
> of
>>
>>>>> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has
> somehow
>>
>>>>> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled.  The most
>>>>> frightening aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their
> ability
>>
>>>>> to communicate with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens.
>>>>> Their secret code consists of a series of raised dots cunningly
> arranged
>>
>>>>> into arcane shapes. Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun
>>>>> popping up in places that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane,
>>>>> everyday outward appearance:
>>>>> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the
> like.
>>>>>
>>>>> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue
> attention.
>>
>>>>> But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we
>>>>> know? Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs
>>>>> will change from "second
>>>>> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown into
>>>>> the chaos of revolution.
>>>>>
>>>>> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are planning
>>>>> such a revolution.  We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can
> one
>>
>>>>> group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use
>>>>> it to seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
>>>>> threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of
>>>>> the blind menace.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan P., Nevada.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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