[nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals ordinance
Lisa Irving
lirving1234 at cox.net
Fri Mar 11 23:21:05 UTC 2011
INDIVIDUAL comprise sects of perceptions within a class of individuals such
as the blind community and other politically motivated groups of
people.Regrettably SOME individuals that are members of a group of
peoples -- the sighted community lend the appearance of a mind set that can
be confused with representing all sighted folks. I am of the opinion similar
perceptions inflame the recipients of repressive behaviors. Does this
resonate with some of you ?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals ordinance
> Lisa,
> I do understand that INDIVIDUALS in groups like Tea Party or the
> Republican party can be honest, decent folks who can be tolerant of groups
> of people they don't understand - like Muslims, or LGBT people. When I
> said "like the Tea Party", I talk about the group-think, not individual
> people - the group's politcal platforms.
>
> This is hard for me to do sometimes because, as an LGBT person, these
> groups' policies actually cause violence and death to LGBT people and that
> hits real close to home with me. I do try to treat each person as they
> are and most are good folks.
>
> Back in 2008, I was sitting in The Concourse at SD City Hall having lunch
> before attending a City Council meeting when a group of pro Prop 8 folks
> came along. I didn't interact with them. One of the women with their
> group came over to me as she noticed Landon. We both had our respective
> Prop 8 buttons on but she shared with me about her blind mother who went
> to the Center for the Blind. We talked about that - not our feelings on
> same sex marriage. We made a personal connection and talked about her
> mother, blindness, and she and I parted amiacally. She did enjoy Landon
> and he was his goofy self. LOL!
>
> I do realize that it isn't good to paint everyone with the same brush of
> people who behave badly. WE all know what it is like to get it because
> someone's guide dog behaved badly, or the person was just a jerk.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
> ordinance
>
>
>> Lyn, my trusted friend, we've had conversations about classifying an
>> entire sect of individuals in a negative light. Let's not look to blame.
>> Instead, let's look to refrain, or to make constructive changes. Thanks.
>>
>> Lisa and Bernie the
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 2:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>> ordinance
>>
>>
>>>I agree, Marion.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't this supposedly proposed law also be in violation of ADA? As
>>> to people stirring up anti Islamic fear and hate - sounds like a Tea
>>> Party tactic to me. Hate groups will use anything to stir the pot! Even
>>> disabled folks and our dogs!!! Let's hope you're right. I have a
>>> friend in Minneapolis and she would be quite mad if there was really a
>>> law like this one.
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 4:20 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>>> ordinance
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lisa,
>>>> I am still trying to confirm the introduction of the measure that
>>>> was mentioned on this list a week or so ago with the NFB of Minnesota.
>>>> I am beginning to believe it was an urban legend designed to create
>>>> anti Islamic outrage. It troubles my soul to think that there are those
>>>> with such hatred in their hearts as to perpetrate such a thing! And
>>>> they most likely think they are doing God's will! So sad!
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>>>> ordinance
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Marion, I'm uninformed about the anti constitutional conduct taking
>>>>> place in MN. This brings me to overall California Disability Law vrs
>>>>> the ADA. In Cali., and perhaps other states, which ever disability law
>>>>> is the strongest over rides the other law.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know stanza and verse of either law. What I am aware of from a
>>>>> hand full of personal encounters, via the Southern California U. S.
>>>>> District Federal Courts, is that Cali. Disability Law is more detailed
>>>>> and has greater protections about businesses providing equal access to
>>>>> their "goods and services"
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the likelihood MN has, very negatively, designed legislation
>>>>> that supersedes federal ADA legislation. I am stunned and not totally
>>>>> surprised that religion and allergies has been tossed into the
>>>>> complicated mix of things. I hope the NFB gets behind this regressive
>>>>> legislation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:38 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>>>>> ordinance
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>> Such a thing is less of a concern to me than what is rumored to be
>>>>>> happening in Minnesota. The Principle of Supremacy allows lower
>>>>>> jurisdictions to make laws that are less restrictive but Minnesota,
>>>>>> if the rumor is true and I am working to find out if it is, is trying
>>>>>> to make a law that is more restrictive by allowing public
>>>>>> accommodations to use religion, fear, and allergies as reasons to
>>>>>> deny access. This is a clear violation of the ADA and, thus, a
>>>>>> violation of the U.S. Constitution. Article V, Clause 2 states
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be
>>>>>> made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be
>>>>>> made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme
>>>>>> Law of the land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound
>>>>>> thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the
>>>>>> Contrary notwithstanding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 10:04 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>>>>>> ordinance
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just don't know what to say. It's sad and sort of funny in a way
>>>>>>>that you'd only understand if your familiar with small town local
>>>>>>>politics. They don't seem to understand disability law or really much
>>>>>>>about disabilities at all. Once again it's only the green that
>>>>>>>matters in the end. Sad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 5:43 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>>>>>>> ordinance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hesperia Star (Hesperia, CA)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> March 3, 2011
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Council approves service animals ordinance
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Councilman Blewett vows to repeal if ordinance leads to lawsuits
>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>> local businesses
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Beau Yarbrough <mailto:beau at hesperiastar.com> , Staff Writer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The American with Disabilities Act will become more restrictive in
>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>> definition of service animals this month, but the changes won't
>>>>>>>> apply in
>>>>>>>> Hesperia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At their meeting Tuesday night, the Hesperia City Council voted to
>>>>>>>> allow any
>>>>>>>> sort of service animal to be used by the disabled in Hesperia
>>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>>> buildings and businesses, so long as they're accompanied by a
>>>>>>>> doctor's note
>>>>>>>> certifying their status as service animals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On March 15, new federal guidelines will tighten the definition of
>>>>>>>> service
>>>>>>>> animals in the ADA to just dogs. The act was signed into law by
>>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>>> George H. W. Bush in July 1990 and never previously defined what
>>>>>>>> constituted
>>>>>>>> a service animal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The city ordinance was drafted in response to a request from local
>>>>>>>> resident
>>>>>>>> Danni Moore, who uses two rats riding on her shoulders to help
>>>>>>>> control her
>>>>>>>> seizures.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "All I ask is that the city council allows me to continue to come
>>>>>>>> to pay my
>>>>>>>> bills [at city hall] and volunteer at the library," Moore told the
>>>>>>>> council
>>>>>>>> on Tuesday.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Disabled residents "have a right to be a person, to go to a store,
>>>>>>>> to go to
>>>>>>>> a restaurant," argued resident Kim Jones. "There are some things
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> [service] dogs can just not do."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But not everyone agreed with Jones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The needs of the many have to outweigh the needs of the few," said
>>>>>>>> Councilman Bill Holland. "It unnecessarily places Hesperia's
>>>>>>>> businesses,
>>>>>>>> which quite frankly pay our way, in harm's way."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "If I end up in a lawsuit over this, I'll move my business out of
>>>>>>>> the city,
>>>>>>>> I'll be real honest with you," said Century 21 owner Don Jensen,
>>>>>>>> the brother
>>>>>>>> of planning commissioner Bill Jensen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ADA "hasn't affected Hesperia's businesses for the past 20, 50
>>>>>>>> years,"
>>>>>>>> said Councilman Thurston "Smitty" Smith, "And this doesn't change
>>>>>>>> anything."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "I've never seen a service animal other than a dog in a restaurant
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> than one time in Mexico," said Mayor Pro Tem Russ Blewett. "We have
>>>>>>>> 18
>>>>>>>> percent of the people in this community unemployed, and we're
>>>>>>>> talking about
>>>>>>>> service animals."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ordinance passes 4-d, with Holland dissenting. Although he
>>>>>>>> voted in
>>>>>>>> favor of the measure, Blewett said he'd vote to repeal it if any
>>>>>>>> business is
>>>>>>>> sued under the city ordinance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The next regular meeting of the Hesperia City Council will take
>>>>>>>> place on
>>>>>>>> March 15 at 6:30 p.m. at Hesperia City Hall, 9700 Seventh Avenue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Source:
>>>>>>>> http://www.hesperiastar.com/news/service-3999-animals-council.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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