[nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals ordinance
Lyn Gwizdak
linda.gwizdak at cox.net
Fri Mar 11 20:47:55 UTC 2011
Lisa,
I do understand that INDIVIDUALS in groups like Tea Party or the Republican
party can be honest, decent folks who can be tolerant of groups of people
they don't understand - like Muslims, or LGBT people. When I said "like the
Tea Party", I talk about the group-think, not individual people - the
group's politcal platforms.
This is hard for me to do sometimes because, as an LGBT person, these
groups' policies actually cause violence and death to LGBT people and that
hits real close to home with me. I do try to treat each person as they are
and most are good folks.
Back in 2008, I was sitting in The Concourse at SD City Hall having lunch
before attending a City Council meeting when a group of pro Prop 8 folks
came along. I didn't interact with them. One of the women with their group
came over to me as she noticed Landon. We both had our respective Prop 8
buttons on but she shared with me about her blind mother who went to the
Center for the Blind. We talked about that - not our feelings on same sex
marriage. We made a personal connection and talked about her mother,
blindness, and she and I parted amiacally. She did enjoy Landon and he was
his goofy self. LOL!
I do realize that it isn't good to paint everyone with the same brush of
people who behave badly. WE all know what it is like to get it because
someone's guide dog behaved badly, or the person was just a jerk.
Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals ordinance
> Lyn, my trusted friend, we've had conversations about classifying an
> entire sect of individuals in a negative light. Let's not look to blame.
> Instead, let's look to refrain, or to make constructive changes. Thanks.
>
> Lisa and Bernie the
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
> ordinance
>
>
>>I agree, Marion.
>>
>> Wouldn't this supposedly proposed law also be in violation of ADA? As to
>> people stirring up anti Islamic fear and hate - sounds like a Tea Party
>> tactic to me. Hate groups will use anything to stir the pot! Even
>> disabled folks and our dogs!!! Let's hope you're right. I have a friend
>> in Minneapolis and she would be quite mad if there was really a law like
>> this one.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 4:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>> ordinance
>>
>>
>>> Lisa,
>>> I am still trying to confirm the introduction of the measure that was
>>> mentioned on this list a week or so ago with the NFB of Minnesota. I am
>>> beginning to believe it was an urban legend designed to create anti
>>> Islamic outrage. It troubles my soul to think that there are those with
>>> such hatred in their hearts as to perpetrate such a thing! And they most
>>> likely think they are doing God's will! So sad!
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>>> ordinance
>>>
>>>
>>>> Marion, I'm uninformed about the anti constitutional conduct taking
>>>> place in MN. This brings me to overall California Disability Law vrs
>>>> the ADA. In Cali., and perhaps other states, which ever disability law
>>>> is the strongest over rides the other law.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know stanza and verse of either law. What I am aware of from a
>>>> hand full of personal encounters, via the Southern California U. S.
>>>> District Federal Courts, is that Cali. Disability Law is more detailed
>>>> and has greater protections about businesses providing equal access to
>>>> their "goods and services"
>>>>
>>>> What's the likelihood MN has, very negatively, designed legislation
>>>> that supersedes federal ADA legislation. I am stunned and not totally
>>>> surprised that religion and allergies has been tossed into the
>>>> complicated mix of things. I hope the NFB gets behind this regressive
>>>> legislation.
>>>>
>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:38 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>>>> ordinance
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Julie,
>>>>> Such a thing is less of a concern to me than what is rumored to be
>>>>> happening in Minnesota. The Principle of Supremacy allows lower
>>>>> jurisdictions to make laws that are less restrictive but Minnesota, if
>>>>> the rumor is true and I am working to find out if it is, is trying to
>>>>> make a law that is more restrictive by allowing public accommodations
>>>>> to use religion, fear, and allergies as reasons to deny access. This
>>>>> is a clear violation of the ADA and, thus, a violation of the U.S.
>>>>> Constitution. Article V, Clause 2 states
>>>>>
>>>>> This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be
>>>>> made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be
>>>>> made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme
>>>>> Law of the land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby,
>>>>> any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary
>>>>> notwithstanding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 10:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>>>>> ordinance
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I just don't know what to say. It's sad and sort of funny in a way
>>>>>>that you'd only understand if your familiar with small town local
>>>>>>politics. They don't seem to understand disability law or really much
>>>>>>about disabilities at all. Once again it's only the green that
>>>>>>matters in the end. Sad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 5:43 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>>>>>> ordinance
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hesperia Star (Hesperia, CA)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> March 3, 2011
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Council approves service animals ordinance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Councilman Blewett vows to repeal if ordinance leads to lawsuits
>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>> local businesses
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beau Yarbrough <mailto:beau at hesperiastar.com> , Staff Writer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The American with Disabilities Act will become more restrictive in
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>> definition of service animals this month, but the changes won't
>>>>>>> apply in
>>>>>>> Hesperia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At their meeting Tuesday night, the Hesperia City Council voted to
>>>>>>> allow any
>>>>>>> sort of service animal to be used by the disabled in Hesperia public
>>>>>>> buildings and businesses, so long as they're accompanied by a
>>>>>>> doctor's note
>>>>>>> certifying their status as service animals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On March 15, new federal guidelines will tighten the definition of
>>>>>>> service
>>>>>>> animals in the ADA to just dogs. The act was signed into law by
>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>> George H. W. Bush in July 1990 and never previously defined what
>>>>>>> constituted
>>>>>>> a service animal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The city ordinance was drafted in response to a request from local
>>>>>>> resident
>>>>>>> Danni Moore, who uses two rats riding on her shoulders to help
>>>>>>> control her
>>>>>>> seizures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "All I ask is that the city council allows me to continue to come to
>>>>>>> pay my
>>>>>>> bills [at city hall] and volunteer at the library," Moore told the
>>>>>>> council
>>>>>>> on Tuesday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Disabled residents "have a right to be a person, to go to a store,
>>>>>>> to go to
>>>>>>> a restaurant," argued resident Kim Jones. "There are some things
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> [service] dogs can just not do."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But not everyone agreed with Jones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The needs of the many have to outweigh the needs of the few," said
>>>>>>> Councilman Bill Holland. "It unnecessarily places Hesperia's
>>>>>>> businesses,
>>>>>>> which quite frankly pay our way, in harm's way."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "If I end up in a lawsuit over this, I'll move my business out of
>>>>>>> the city,
>>>>>>> I'll be real honest with you," said Century 21 owner Don Jensen, the
>>>>>>> brother
>>>>>>> of planning commissioner Bill Jensen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ADA "hasn't affected Hesperia's businesses for the past 20, 50
>>>>>>> years,"
>>>>>>> said Councilman Thurston "Smitty" Smith, "And this doesn't change
>>>>>>> anything."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I've never seen a service animal other than a dog in a restaurant
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> than one time in Mexico," said Mayor Pro Tem Russ Blewett. "We have
>>>>>>> 18
>>>>>>> percent of the people in this community unemployed, and we're
>>>>>>> talking about
>>>>>>> service animals."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ordinance passes 4-d, with Holland dissenting. Although he voted
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> favor of the measure, Blewett said he'd vote to repeal it if any
>>>>>>> business is
>>>>>>> sued under the city ordinance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The next regular meeting of the Hesperia City Council will take
>>>>>>> place on
>>>>>>> March 15 at 6:30 p.m. at Hesperia City Hall, 9700 Seventh Avenue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Source:
>>>>>>> http://www.hesperiastar.com/news/service-3999-animals-council.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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