[nagdu] PAEvans'BilltoHelpProtectService AnimalsReceives HouseEndorsement
Lisa Irving
lirving1234 at cox.net
Mon Mar 14 03:39:15 UTC 2011
Julie and Marion,
I usually have my hand free to switch Bernie's leash to my right hand as
needed. There are times when I have a spill proof coffee mug in hand, or I'm
hanging on to the shoulder straps of a fairly full cloth produce bag.
Lisa and Bernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] PAEvans'BilltoHelpProtectService AnimalsReceives
HouseEndorsement
> Julie,
> I like the idea of an umbrella. As for our dog being startled, it's
> sort of the lesser of two evils, don't you think?
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'BilltoHelpProtectService AnimalsReceives
> HouseEndorsement
>
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> I have thought seriously about pepper or some other sort of spray
>> deterrent. The thing that has prevented me from trying it is the wind. I
>> live in Nebraska, and well it's pretty much some variety of windy every
>> day. The wind also has the annoying habit of coming from a variety of
>> directions at once. I'm not sure that I would be able to account for the
>> wind when spraying and I'd end up with it in my face or my dog would get
>> it.
>>
>> A service dog trainer once suggested to me to use an umbrella. The sort
>> that are spring loaded and pop open with the push of a button. I think
>> it's a good idea. I've not tried it though. Of course you'd have to
>> work with your own dog so they wouldn't be startled by it, but that
>> should be totally doable.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'BilltoHelpProtectService AnimalsReceives
>> House Endorsement
>>
>>
>>> Photographing the attack is all well and good, but how is that going to
>>> help you in the here and now? What about in addition to the nifty camera
>>> you carry some doggy pepper spray or something like that. Then, when the
>>> attacking dog decides it would rather rub his green tinged pepper spray
>>> covered face in the dirt than attack you can take that picture. And
>>> also, a green tinged pepper spray covered yelping in pain dog will be
>>> very easy for the cops to identify at the nearest vet's office.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'Bill toHelpProtectService AnimalsReceives
>>> House Endorsement
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lisa,
>>>>
>>>> I like to do scenario planning, too, so that if it all hits the fan, I
>>>> won't
>>>> be caught flat footed and just stand around gaping stupidly. Then
>>>> again, I
>>>> can still manage to do that, with or without advance planning. /smile/
>>>>
>>>> I do like the idea of having a handheld camera -- preferably in a cell
>>>> phone
>>>> -- on hand as an evidence gathering tool. I figure if I can hear, I
>>>> can
>>>> point the camera. Whether I could pull that off in the thick of
>>>> things, I
>>>> don't know. My first priority is to protect my dog and then myself,
>>>> while
>>>> diffusing things before they get too ugly... I hope not to find out if
>>>> I
>>>> could pull off whipping out the camera so that I could have some
>>>> recourse
>>>> after the dust settles.
>>>>
>>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Lisa Irving
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:52 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'Bill to HelpProtectService
>>>> AnimalsReceives
>>>> House Endorsement
>>>>
>>>> Steve,
>>>>
>>>> Without getting morose it can be beneficial to role play in your mind
>>>> various situations. "Some one" included the owner or human aggressor,
>>>> and
>>>> yes, the aggressive dog. Years ago A probably mentally unstable woman's
>>>> smallish dog attacked my very docile golden retriever. I started to
>>>> swing my
>>>>
>>>> foot to separate the aggressive dog from my dog that just sat there.
>>>> The
>>>> unstable woman came at my face; clawing my neck and my face. I didn't
>>>> see it
>>>>
>>>> coming and I was badly rattled. I know there's no chance I could have
>>>> taken
>>>> photos as everything happened so fast. In that instance people stood
>>>> and
>>>> gawked, but no one was courageous enough to step forward to talk to the
>>>> police when they arrived.If something similar happened today I'd
>>>> probably
>>>> still end up taking a hit. I also know I'd make a lot of noise and hope
>>>> an
>>>> empathetic good Samaritan steps forward. Only as a very last resort
>>>> would I
>>>> incorporate my martial arts skills to create space between me and the
>>>> human
>>>> aggressor. Martial arts promotes stepping back and creating space when
>>>> at
>>>> all possible. In other words I would not contribute to a hostile
>>>> environment. As for my dog, I suspect if I unclipped his leash or
>>>> tossed
>>>> something, Bernie would likely take off. That's both positive and
>>>> negative.
>>>> The alternative, him getting seriously hurt isn't an option.
>>>>
>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 3:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'Bill to Help ProtectService
>>>> AnimalsReceives
>>>> House Endorsement
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Lisa, good question.
>>>>> My role first and foremost is my safety then my dogs. Depending on
>>>>> the
>>>>> nature of an assault by another dog, the first thing I would do is not
>>>>> try
>>>>> to break up the fight and let the dog go. Of course, this creates
>>>>> opportunity to possibly take a picture as this what I am guessing you
>>>>> are
>>>>> hinting at. However, My next concern and role is not to lose track of
>>>>> my
>>>>> dog, and after an incident or even for that matter, during an
>>>>> incident, my
>>>>> focus would be on what is happening, and I highly doubt I would event
>>>>> hink
>>>>> about taking a picture, or what resembles attempting to take a picture
>>>>> of
>>>>> a
>>>>> tangled mess of dogs. I have not been in this situation, nor do I
>>>>> ever
>>>>> hope
>>>>> I am nor do I ever wish this upon anyone else, and would like to hear
>>>>> what
>>>>> others think about their roles when harm is being caused to one's dog.
>>>>> Now,
>>>>> just to clarify, this is eluding to that of an attack by another dog
>>>>> on a
>>>>> working dog, not that of a person as this brings in a whole different
>>>>> level
>>>>> of reactions. Your post states, someone, but the prior posts refer to
>>>>> that
>>>>> of an attacking dog...what then, is your role and how does this play
>>>>> out
>>>>> given the slight change as I am not clear of if it is a dog or someone
>>>>> meaning human.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Lisa Irving
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:50 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'Bill to Help Protect Service
>>>>> AnimalsReceives
>>>>> House Endorsement
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve, how do you see your self in a situation where some one is
>>>>> causing
>>>>> harm to your dog? If you play this out in your mind, how do things
>>>>> go--
>>>>> how
>>>>> do they work out and what is your role?
>>>>>
>>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 3:38 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'Bill to Help Protect Service
>>>>> AnimalsReceives
>>>>> House Endorsement
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynn, help me understand this...
>>>>>> If your dog is under attack, who is really going to think about
>>>>>> shooting
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> snapshot and keying on a sound of where an owner might be? Think
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> frantic one would be...taking a picture is the last thing I would
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> of, and isn't the average person going to be focusing on their dog
>>>>>> and if
>>>>>> they were or were not hurt? I find this just a little off.
>>>>>> Just my opinion, and if you can explain as to how this is really
>>>>>> effective
>>>>>> that would be great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Lyn Gwizdak
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 4:59 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'Bill to Help Protect Service Animals
>>>>>> Receives
>>>>>> House Endorsement
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lisa,
>>>>>> Passle's advice is great aboout the picture taking. Aim the camera
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> sound. I do this with my video camera or still camera if I can't
>>>>>> quite
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> what I'm taking and it works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Passle Helminski" <passle at roadrunner.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'Bill to Help Protect Service Animals
>>>>>> Receives
>>>>>> House Endorsement
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lisa,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just hope that I am getting them in my shot. Focus on the sound
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to take a photo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Passle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Passle, thanks for the idea. My next question is how do you know
>>>>>>>>you're
>>>>>>>>taking a photo of the offending person. I have photo capability on
>>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>sophisticated cell phone. However,even though I can take a photo, I
>>>>>>>>can't
>>>>>>>>see what I'm aiming at. Any ideas?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lisa and Bernie
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Passle Helminski"
>>>>>>>><passle at roadrunner.com>
>>>>>>>>To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 7:06 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'Bill to Help Protect Service Animals
>>>>>>>>Receives House Endorsement
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hello Lisa,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>My guide was attacked 6 times. I carry a cell phone that I can try
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>take a photo of the attacking dog.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Passle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Please tell me how you deal with identifying the offending dog
>>>>>>>>>>owner.
>>>>>>>>>>During the past 15 or so years I've had my guide dog (first one)
>>>>>>>>>>attacked twice. No one stepped forward to give a description to
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>police. They told me there was nothing they could do without a
>>>>>>>>>>description of the offending dog owner.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Lisa and Bernie
>>>>>>>>>
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