[nagdu] PA Evans'BilltoHelpProtectService AnimalsReceives HouseEndorsement

Marion Gwizdala blind411 at verizon.net
Sun Mar 13 20:38:16 UTC 2011 

Julie,
    I like the idea of an umbrella. As for our dog being startled, it's sort 
of the lesser of two evils, don't you think?

Fraternally yours,
Marion



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'BilltoHelpProtectService AnimalsReceives 
HouseEndorsement


> Mark,
>
> I have thought seriously about pepper or some other sort of spray 
> deterrent. The thing that has prevented me from trying it is the wind.  I 
> live in Nebraska, and well it's pretty much some variety of windy every 
> day.  The wind also has the annoying habit of coming from a variety of 
> directions at once.  I'm not sure that I would be able to account for the 
> wind when spraying and I'd end up with it in my face or my dog would get 
> it.
>
> A service dog trainer once suggested to me to use an umbrella.  The sort 
> that are spring loaded and pop open with the push of a button.  I think 
> it's a good idea.  I've not tried it though.  Of course you'd have to work 
> with your own dog so they wouldn't be startled by it, but that should be 
> totally doable.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'BilltoHelpProtectService AnimalsReceives 
> House Endorsement
>
>
>> Photographing the attack is all well and good, but how is that going to 
>> help you in the here and now? What about in addition to the nifty camera 
>> you carry some doggy pepper spray or something like that. Then, when the 
>> attacking dog decides it would rather rub his green tinged pepper spray 
>> covered face in the dirt than attack you can take that picture. And also, 
>> a green tinged pepper spray covered yelping in pain dog will be very easy 
>> for the cops to identify at the nearest vet's office.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'Bill toHelpProtectService AnimalsReceives 
>> House Endorsement
>>
>>
>>> Lisa,
>>>
>>> I like to do scenario planning, too, so that if it all hits the fan, I 
>>> won't
>>> be caught flat footed and just stand around gaping stupidly.  Then 
>>> again, I
>>> can still manage to do that, with or without advance planning.  /smile/
>>>
>>> I do like the idea of having a handheld camera -- preferably in a cell 
>>> phone
>>> -- on hand as an evidence gathering tool.  I figure if I can hear, I can
>>> point the camera.  Whether I could pull that off in the thick of things, 
>>> I
>>> don't know.  My first priority is to protect my dog and then myself, 
>>> while
>>> diffusing things before they get too ugly...  I hope not to find out if 
>>> I
>>> could pull off whipping out the camera so that I could have some 
>>> recourse
>>> after the dust settles.
>>>
>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Lisa Irving
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:52 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'Bill to HelpProtectService AnimalsReceives
>>> House Endorsement
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> Without getting morose it can be beneficial to role play  in your mind
>>> various situations. "Some one" included the owner or human aggressor, 
>>> and
>>> yes, the aggressive dog. Years ago A probably mentally unstable woman's
>>> smallish dog attacked my very docile golden retriever. I started to 
>>> swing my
>>>
>>> foot to separate the aggressive dog from my dog that just sat there. The
>>> unstable woman came at my face; clawing my neck and my face. I didn't 
>>> see it
>>>
>>> coming and I was badly rattled. I know there's no chance I could have 
>>> taken
>>> photos as everything happened so fast. In that instance people stood and
>>> gawked, but no one was courageous enough to step forward to talk to the
>>> police when they arrived.If something similar happened today I'd 
>>> probably
>>> still end up taking a hit. I also know I'd make a lot of noise and hope 
>>> an
>>> empathetic good Samaritan steps forward. Only as a very last resort 
>>> would I
>>> incorporate my martial arts skills to create space between me and the 
>>> human
>>> aggressor. Martial arts promotes stepping back and creating space when 
>>> at
>>> all possible. In other words I would not contribute to a hostile
>>> environment. As for my dog, I suspect if  I unclipped his leash or 
>>> tossed
>>> something, Bernie would likely take off. That's both positive and 
>>> negative.
>>> The alternative, him getting seriously hurt isn't an option.
>>>
>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 3:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'Bill to Help ProtectService 
>>> AnimalsReceives
>>> House Endorsement
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lisa, good question.
>>>> My role first and foremost is my safety then my dogs.  Depending on the
>>>> nature of an assault by another dog, the first thing I would do is not 
>>>> try
>>>> to break up the fight and let the dog go.  Of course, this creates
>>>> opportunity to possibly take a picture as this what I am guessing you 
>>>> are
>>>> hinting at.  However, My next concern and role is not to lose track of 
>>>> my
>>>> dog, and after an incident or even for that matter, during an incident, 
>>>> my
>>>> focus would be on what is happening, and I highly doubt I would event 
>>>> hink
>>>> about taking a picture, or what resembles attempting to take a picture 
>>>> of
>>>> a
>>>> tangled mess of dogs.  I have not been in this situation, nor do I ever
>>>> hope
>>>> I am nor do I ever wish this upon anyone else, and would like to hear 
>>>> what
>>>> others think about their roles when harm is being caused to one's dog.
>>>> Now,
>>>> just to clarify, this is eluding to that of an attack by another dog on 
>>>> a
>>>> working dog, not that of a person as this brings in a whole different
>>>> level
>>>> of reactions.  Your post states, someone, but the prior posts refer to
>>>> that
>>>> of an attacking dog...what then, is your role and how does this play 
>>>> out
>>>> given the slight change as I am not clear of if it is a dog or someone
>>>> meaning human.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Lisa Irving
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:50 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'Bill to Help Protect Service 
>>>> AnimalsReceives
>>>> House Endorsement
>>>>
>>>> Steve, how do you see your self in a situation where some one is 
>>>> causing
>>>> harm to your dog? If you play this out in your mind, how do things go--
>>>> how
>>>> do they work out and what is your role?
>>>>
>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 3:38 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'Bill to Help Protect Service 
>>>> AnimalsReceives
>>>> House Endorsement
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Lynn, help me understand this...
>>>>> If your dog is under attack, who is really going to think about 
>>>>> shooting
>>>>> a
>>>>> snapshot and keying on a sound of where an owner might be?  Think 
>>>>> about
>>>>> how
>>>>> frantic one would be...taking a picture is the last thing I would even
>>>>> think
>>>>> of, and isn't the average person going to be focusing on their dog and 
>>>>> if
>>>>> they were or were not hurt?  I find this just a little off.
>>>>> Just my opinion, and if you can explain as to how this is really
>>>>> effective
>>>>> that would be great.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Lyn Gwizdak
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 4:59 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'Bill to Help Protect Service Animals
>>>>> Receives
>>>>> House Endorsement
>>>>>
>>>>> Lisa,
>>>>> Passle's advice is great aboout the picture taking.  Aim the camera at
>>>>> the
>>>>> sound. I do this with my video camera or still camera if I can't quite
>>>>> see
>>>>> what I'm taking and it works.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Passle Helminski" <passle at roadrunner.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'Bill to Help Protect Service Animals
>>>>> Receives
>>>>> House Endorsement
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lisa,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just hope that I am getting them in my shot.  Focus on the sound 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> try
>>>>>
>>>>>> to take a photo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Passle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Passle, thanks for the idea. My next question is how do you know 
>>>>>>>you're
>>>>>>>taking a photo of the offending person. I have photo capability on my
>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>sophisticated cell phone. However,even though I can take a photo, I
>>>>>>>can't
>>>>>>>see what I'm aiming at. Any ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Lisa and Bernie
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Passle Helminski"
>>>>>>><passle at roadrunner.com>
>>>>>>>To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 7:06 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] PA Evans'Bill to Help Protect Service Animals
>>>>>>>Receives House Endorsement
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hello Lisa,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My guide was attacked 6 times. I carry  a cell phone that I can try 
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>take a photo of the attacking dog.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Passle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Please tell me how you deal with identifying the offending dog 
>>>>>>>>>owner.
>>>>>>>>>During the past 15 or so years I've had my  guide dog (first one)
>>>>>>>>>attacked twice. No one stepped forward to give a description to the
>>>>>>>>>police. They told me there was nothing they could do without a
>>>>>>>>>description of the offending dog owner.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Lisa and Bernie
>>>>>>>>
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