[nagdu] Dog attacks: accessible cell phone with camera

Julie J julielj at neb.rr.com
Wed Mar 16 12:34:07 UTC 2011 

Wayne,

I've never experienced an all out attack complete with puncture wounds and 
bloodshed.  I have had countless encounters with unpleasant dogs that did 
the lunge and nip, bark and growl routine.  Here's what I generally do:

1. panic, grip harness handle with strangle hold, suck in breath, clench 
teeth
2. realize what I'm doing, chastise self  and stop
3. let go of harness handle and let out the leash to it's longest without 
messing with the fasteners
4. put myself in front of my dog, facing the other dog
5. appear menacing to the other dog, only advisable if the other dog is 
anything less than truly aggressive, but I'd probably already be bitten if 
that was the case.  Generally this involves leaning forward a bit, using as 
deep of a voice in quiet tones that I can manage, perhaps I'll take a slow 
step forward I don't even try to make eye contact, some dogs find this 
extremely threatening.  I don't want to set off a dog into an attack that I 
can just scare off with body posture.
6. while trying to get the other dog to leave, I develop an escape plan. 
this might involve enlisting the help of a pedestrian, crossing to the other 
side of the street, throwing something at the dog to get it to move long 
enough for me to get by or some other totally brilliant thing I haven't 
thought of yet.  Usually though the other dog leaves when they figure out we 
aren't going to be easy pickings.
7. Move away from the area until I am in a safe and quiet location, praise 
Monty for not escalating the situation.

Note: if at the original sighting of the other dog Monty reacts with a 
wagging tail and happy movements, I will let him greet the other dog.  If he 
shows signs of tensing, I use the above routine.  In short I use his 
reaction to gauge the intent of the other dog.

I have also been in one situation with two huge dogs, Monty size and bigger. 
In that situation I prayed that they would be friendly while allowing Monty 
to work his doggie magic to greet.  I had absolutely no hope of physically 
being able to protect him from two dogs of that size.  Fortunately Monty 
gets along well with others so it wasn't a problem.

Every situation is a bit different and how I handle it does vary somewhat, 
but the above is a very general guideline of what I do.  I didn't get a cell 
phone until less than a year ago.  I have no idea if mine has a camera.  I 
can tell you that the very last thing I'm thinking about during a dog 
encounter is taking a picture with my phone.  Usually it's turned off and in 
the depths of my purse anyway.

I think in order for me to use some sort of tool, umbrella, spray or phone, 
I'd have to be holding it in my hand when we came across the other dog. 
that seems a bit paranoid to me. *smile*

I've also noticed that I get many fewer problems with loose dogs with Monty 
than I did with Belle.  I'm not sure if people have finally gotten a clue 
about leashes or my complaints finally got through or if Monty just walks 
with more confidence or what.  I'm just going to enjoy the pleasant walks 
with few problems!

Best of luck!
Julie


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog attacks: accessible cell phone with camera


> Knock on wood, my dog hasn't been attacked yet. It is probably a
> matter of when rather than if, but honestly I'm not sure that taking a
> photo would be the first thing on my mind. There's likely no way to
> know since I haven't experienced one yet. It just strikes me as rather
> forward thinking gif I were to stop and pull out my phone to take a
> picture. Perhaps I would, I'm not really sure. How is one to know
> exactly what to do until they are in that situation? Perhaps those
> that have had their guides attacked can say if they thought of that?
>
> Jmt,
> Wayne
>
> On 3/15/11, Brenda <bjnite at windstream.net> wrote:
>> Hi Rebeccaa
>>
>> I value your input, it makes sense.  I do not want a smart phone and it
>> could be very hard to get a photo off.  I do have a KNFB Reader on an
>> N86 I could use if I really wanted to.  I think I would rather have mase
>> ready to use so would  not have time to take a picture.  It seems like
>> there are a lot of dog attacks, but then the way  you present things it
>> doesn't seem as drastic.
>>
>> Brenda
>>
>> On 3/15/2011 12:07 PM, PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC) wrote:
>>> Brenda,
>>> I'd get an Iphone. They are expensive and fragile. They are also
>>> accessable. I'd only get one though if you have other reasons for 
>>> wanting
>>> a camera, realizing that the odds of your dog being attacked and you
>>> having the precence of mind to takea pic, and also the ability to get 
>>> hold
>>> of your phone are slim enough that this rationale shouldn't be what tips
>>> the scales for you. The Iphone 4 can also shoot video which might be 
>>> more
>>> useful then still photos. Still, I'd get an Iphone only if that's what 
>>> you
>>> want and only if you have other things you want to video.
>>> I have a haven and like it.
>>> You can also get a digital camera which would give you picture taking
>>> capability
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Brenda
>>> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:16 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog attacks: accessible cell phone with camera
>>>
>>> Hi Lisa
>>> Sommerset, KY - cool.  We have relatives in Irvin (sp) which is just
>>> down the road a bit.
>>>
>>> As for Verizon, been there, tried that with absolutely no success. That
>>> is why I thought I'd ask on this list since the issue of dog attacks and
>>> cell phone cameras was being discussed.  I was set on the Haven until I
>>> realized it didn't have a camera, which would be helpful in the event of
>>> a dog attack.
>>>
>>> Brenda
>>>
>>> On 3/14/2011 2:55 PM, Lisa Irving wrote:
>>>> Brenda, try calling Verizon. Tell them what you need. You may have to
>>>> eventually ask to speak with a supervisor at a fairly high level as,
>>>> across the board, be it Verizon or any other cell phone carrier,
>>>> they're uninformed about the functions on cell phones that make them
>>>> accessible to the blind. If any of you live in or near Somerset, KY,
>>>> my son works for a cellular store and he's more knowledgeable than
>>>> most folks about accessible features. What he doesn't know, he tried
>>>> to learn.
>>>>
>>>> Lisa&  Bernie
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda"<bjnite at windstream.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:47 AM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog attacks: accessible cell phone with camera
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Regarding attacks on guide dogs, the Haven cell phone does not have a
>>>>> camera.  Do users on this list know of any similar cell phone
>>>>> (Verizon) with a camera?
>>>>> Brenda
>>>>>
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