[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 74, Issue 16
holly mcknight
hollyandpolly at hotmail.com
Mon May 16 21:18:32 UTC 2011
Hello all, I am really having lots of fun reading this list. It is great to see how supportive of each other people who use dogs guides are. Glad to know that other disabilities are brought up and that dogs can really be a help to all. I am considering starting a chapter of Allumni of Guide Dogs for the Blind graduates in Texas, however teams from other school are welcome.n Feel free to contact me if you have questions or comments. hollyandpolly at hotmail.com I am also always happy to see when access issues are resolved in favor of working teams. I do have a question though, are puppy raisers welcome to join this list? The Lone Star Puppy Club members are very much in favor of being a part of all aspects of the Guide Dog life style that they are able to. Thanks, and hope all have a good week. Holly and Pollyann
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> 1. Re: Your critique Invited! (Aaron Cannon)
> 2. board meeting (Tina Thomas)
> 3. Re: board meeting (Margo and Arrow)
> 4. Fwd: [blindkid] NPR: Service Dogs Teach Educators about
> Disabilities (Aaron Cannon)
> 5. Re: board meeting (Michael Hingson)
> 6. Re: Your critique Invited! (Sheila Leigland)
> 7. Re: Your critique Invited! (Michael Hingson)
> 8. Re: Your critique Invited! (d m gina)
> 9. Re: Your critique Invited! (Ann Edie)
> 10. Re: Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not
> Serve Her (d m gina)
> 11. Re: access issue resolved! (Tamara Smith-Kinney)
> 12. Re: Your critique Invited! (Marion Gwizdala)
> 13. Re: Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown EateryWould Not
> Serve Her (Tamara Smith-Kinney)
> 14. Re: board meeting (Marion Gwizdala)
> 15. Re: access issue resolved! (Chasity Jackson)
> 16. Re: Your critique Invited! (Chasity Jackson)
> 17. Re: Way to go, Julie! (Julie McGinnity)
> 18. Re: Way to go, Julie! (Cindy Ray)
> 19. Re: Way to go, Julie! (Julie McGinnity)
> 20. Re: nagdu Digest, Vol 74, Issue 15 (Holly Mcknight)
> 21. Re: Way to go, Julie! (Brittney N. Mejico)
> 22. Re: your critique invited! (Mardi Hadfield)
> 23. Re: way to go Julie! (Mardi Hadfield)
> 24. Re: Your critique Invited! (Sheila Leigland)
> 25. Taxicabs (Marion Gwizdala)
> 26. Re: your critique invited! (Marion Gwizdala)
> 27. Re: Taxicabs (Terra Syslo)
> 28. Re: Taxicabs (Wayne Merritt)
> 29. Re: Taxicabs (Marion Gwizdala)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:41:52 -0500
> From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
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> Hi Ann.
>
> Taxicabs are mentioned in item 1.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Aaron
>
> On 5/15/11, Ann Edie <annedie at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> > Hi, Marion,
> >
> > I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
> > transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
> > trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised that you
> > did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has suggested
> > including them either, since so many of our access issues involve taxis and
> > taxi drivers.
> >
> > Otherwise, Very good brochure!
> >
> > Best,
> > Ann
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
> > <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>;
> > "Toni Whaley" <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
> > <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina
> > Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
> > <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
> > Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> > As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am editing
> > our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the input
> > of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I know
> > what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is anything
> > "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also like
> > to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
> > deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
> > before then!
> >
> > Peace!
> > Marion Gwizdala
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:50:06 -0700
> From: "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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> Subject: [nagdu] board meeting
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> Is there a board meeting today?
> Thanks.
>
> Tina
>
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:53:06 -0400
> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
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> the Board meeting is next week--May 22 at 8.
>
> Margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 1:50 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] board meeting
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> > Is there a board meeting today?
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Tina
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:35:17 -0500
> From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
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> Subject: [nagdu] Fwd: [blindkid] NPR: Service Dogs Teach Educators
> about Disabilities
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> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 08:55:14 -0400
> Subject: [blindkid] NPR: Service Dogs Teach Educators about Disabilities
> To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
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> Service Dogs Teach Educators About Disabilities
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> by LARRY ABRAMSON
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> May 14, 2011
> Many disabled people say that life without their service animals is
> unthinkable. And while public institutions are required to admit
> service animals without question, some public schools claim they
> cannot handle the disruption of a dog in a busy classroom.
> Disabled students are hoping new federal guidelines will help them
> avoid legal battles over their animals.
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> Larry Abramson/NPR
> Nathan Selove relies on his service dog, Sylvia, to help him deal with
> meltdowns and other issues related to Asperger's syndrome.
>
> Nathan And Sylvia
>
> Everyone at Sherando High School in Virginia knows Nathan Selove: He's
> the kid with the dog.
> "Actually," he says, "she's the only dog in the Frederick County
> public school system, so far."
> Sylvia is a sweet-tempered yellow Lab who accompanies Nathan to school
> every day. She wears a green vest that proclaims: "Don't pet me, I'm
> working."
> Nathan used to be a target of bullying, but is less so now, he says.
> He strolls down the hallways, leash in hand, looking relaxed,
> sunglasses propped above his forehead. You would hardly know he has
> Asperger's syndrome, or that he sometimes has terrifying meltdowns in
> class. That's why Sylvia is here.
> "And when I feel the need to pet her," he says, "I just sort of lean
> down and pet her. And sometimes, like when I get really stressed out ?
> which doesn't actually happen that often anymore ? she'll get on my
> lap."
> In history class, Nathan sits down, and Sylvia grabs a spot under his
> desk and chills. In a room full of high school sophomores, she is the
> calmest mammal there.
> History teacher Doreen Pauley says Sylvia is just part of the class
> now. "If he needs her, she's there; if he doesn't, she's just quiet.
> She's a good dog."
> The blind don't usually get a guide dog until they are adults, so the
> service animals that schools see are focused on other conditions, like
> autism ? a growing number of autistic children are paired with service
> animals.
> The Frederick County school system was initially hesitant when
> Nathan's parents decided that he would benefit from having a service
> dog in middle school. But now, Sylvia even rides the bus to school
> with Nathan.
> A Dispute In California
>
> Not every parent has gotten the same reception. Attorney Kathleen
> Mehfoud represents a number of Virginia school districts and says many
> schools worry they may violate the rights of other students by
> admitting a service dog.
> "For example, there are a number of students and staff who may be
> allergic to dogs," she says.
> Disability rights groups say allergies and other issues can easily be
> dealt with. They pushed the U.S. Justice Department to issue new rules
> this spring clarifying that the Americans with Disabilities Act does
> apply to schools.
>
>
> His behaviors are really more calm at home, or when we're out with
> [his service dog] Eddy. I don't know what's going on at school that's
> really increasing these aggressive behaviors.
>
>
> - Milka Ciriacks, whose son Caleb is severely autistic
>
> But some districts still question why dogs are necessary, especially
> for students who already get intensive special ed services.
> In Orange County, Calif., Milka Ciriacks has been fighting to have
> Eddy the service dog accompany her 6-year-old son, Caleb, to school.
> Caleb is severely autistic and used to run away all the time.
> "It didn't really make sense to me until we had the episode where
> Caleb took off," she says. "And that was like the big red flag that
> like, we need something else."
> For the past year, the Cypress School District has refused to allow
> Eddy into the school, so Ciriacks has turned to federal court. The
> district would not talk on tape, but in court filings, officials argue
> that Caleb is making good progress without a dog.
> The district worries that being tied to an animal will reduce his
> independence. But Ciriacks says that without Eddy, her son is having
> outbursts in school.
> "His behaviors are really more calm at home, or when we're out with
> Eddy," she says. "I don't know what's going on at school that's really
> increasing these aggressive behaviors."
> New Rules Offer Hope
>
> The new federal regulations are meant to stop these cases from going
> to court. The rules tell schools they must admit legitimate service
> dogs. But they also say that schools do not have to allow the wide
> variety of "therapy animals," who are not trained, and primarily
> provide companionship and comfort.
> Schools attorney Mehfoud says it's about time. "We have dealt with
> requests for service snakes and service monkeys in the past," she
> says.
> The new rules make it clear that trained dogs are pretty much the only
> animals who qualify.
> Home at last after working all day, Sylvia sheds her service vest and
> becomes a house pet for a little while.
> She gets to run around on the Selove family's 11-acre property. The
> family home is a bit of service dog heaven. Ramon Selove, Nathan's
> father, also has Asperger's syndrome and takes his dog, Cori, to his
> job as a college professor. But he has this caution: Service dogs are
> a lot of work.
> Training can cost tens of thousands of dollars and involves weeks of
> classroom work that can be challenging for kids like Nathan. But
> Selove says his son was so motivated by the chance to have this dog
> that "he was willing to do things he wouldn't have been willing to do
> otherwise."
> Sylvia may well be Nathan's best friend. Many other disabled
> schoolchildren now also have the U.S. Justice Department as their
> buddy.
>
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:02:34 -0700
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Margo and Arrow
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:53 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] board meeting
>
> the Board meeting is next week--May 22 at 8.
>
> Margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 1:50 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] board meeting
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> > Is there a board meeting today?
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> >
> > Tina
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:52:43 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
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> That's what I thought but didn't remember where it was listed.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:41 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>
> Hi Ann.
>
> Taxicabs are mentioned in item 1.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Aaron
>
> On 5/15/11, Ann Edie <annedie at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> > Hi, Marion,
> >
> > I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
> > transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
> > trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised that you
> > did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has suggested
> > including them either, since so many of our access issues involve taxis and
> > taxi drivers.
> >
> > Otherwise, Very good brochure!
> >
> > Best,
> > Ann
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
> > <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>;
> > "Toni Whaley" <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
> > <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina
> > Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
> > <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
> > Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> > As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am editing
> > our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the input
> > of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I know
> > what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is anything
> > "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also like
> > to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
> > deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
> > before then!
> >
> > Peace!
> > Marion Gwizdala
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
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> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:11:41 -0700
> From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
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> With the suggestions made thus far and incorporated in proposed revisions I
> think this has been addressed.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Julie J
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:03 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>
> Marion,
>
> Thanks! I don't think it needs to be it's own item, just a sentence or
> phrase worked in with the part on access denials, I think.
>
> thanks for all your hard work!
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>
>
> > Julie,
> > Great suggestion! I will do my best to get that in there, especially
> > because it is one of my pet peeves, too! we have an issue with space, you
> > know. I need to keep it short enough for an 8.5 X 11 tri-fold brochure.
> >
> > Peace!
> > Marion
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 7:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> >> Could something about ID cards not being required as a condition of
> >> access be added?
> >>
> >> Julie
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
> >> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
> >> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
> >> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey" <margo.downey at verizon.net>;
>
> >> "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina Thomas"
> >> <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
> >> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
> >> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> >> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would
> >> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide
>
> >> dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to know
> >> if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might have
> >> missed! I would also like to know if you have any better suggestions for
> >> the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final copy is Monday,
> >> so please offer your feedback before then!
> >>
> >> Peace!
> >> Marion Gwizdala
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:20:03 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> Message-ID: <20110515202003.24616.43205 at ip-10-203-66-216.ec2.internal>
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> Sheila, one time a guy being polite here was doing just the same thing
> whistling.
> I turned and said "how sad this is the only art you know."
> I thought you were smarter than that just whistling.
> He got so embarrassed the manager said he ran out of the store.
> This was a wall mart thing.
>
> Original message:
> > Very interesting good points that is for sure. Yesterday I had to tell
> > someone not to whistle at my dogs.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:45 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>
> > Hi.
>
> > Here are my edits. You can pick and choose as you like. I would,
> > however, be interested in seeing an updated version, if you do in fact
> > incorporate any of these changes into the document.
>
>
> > Original:
> > When you see a guide dog at work you are watching a team with each
> > partner contributing to the team effort. As the head of the team, the
> > blind person?s role is to maintain control of the guide dog and to
> > direct the guide dog to where the handler wants to go. The blind
> > person does this by giving the dog directional commands, such as
> > ?Forward?, ?Left?, and ?Right?, which are sometimes accompanied by
> > hand commands. The guide dog?s role in this partnership is to obey
> > these commands, except when to do so would place the team in danger.
>
> > My Version:
> > When you see a guide dog at work, you are watching a team, with each
> > partner contributing to the team effort. As the head of the team, the
> > blind person?s role is to maintain control of the guide dog and to
> > direct the guide dog to where the handler wants to go. The blind
> > person does this by giving the dog directional commands, such as
> > ?Forward?, ?Left?, and ?Right?, which are sometimes accompanied by
> > hand jestures. The guide dog?s role in this partnership is to obey
> > these commands, except when to do so would place the team in danger.
> > For example, if a handler were to ask his guide dog to go forward when
> > there was a sudden drop-off directly ahead, the guide dog would refuse
> > to obey.
>
>
> > original:
> > 1. It is a violation of state & federal laws to deny access to a
> > disabled person accompanied by a service animal. This includes stores,
> > restaurants, taxicabs,
> > parks, health care facilities, zoos, or any other place the general
> > public is admitted. The law prohibits public carriers such as buses,
> > trains, or planes
> > from refusing to serve a disabled individual accompanied by a service
> > animal. Furthermore, a disabled person accompanied by a service animal
> > has the same
> > rights as other passengers to choose where they sit on such carriers
> > where no other legally established seating requirements exists.
>
> > my version:
> > 1. It is a violation of both state & federal law to segrigate or deny
> > access to a disabled person accompanied by a service animal. These
> > laws apply to stores, restaurants, taxicabs, parks, health care
> > facilities, zoos, and any other place the general public is admitted.
> > The law also prohibits public carriers such as buses, trains, or
> > planes from refusing to serve a disabled individual accompanied by a
> > service animal. Furthermore, a disabled person accompanied by a
> > service animal has the same rights as other passengers to choose where
> > they sit on such carriers where no other legally established seating
> > requirements exist.
>
> > Original:
> > 2. When you meet a guide dog or other service animal in public, it is
> > working. It is important that others do not interfere with the dog?s
> > work; therefore,
> > Never touch a guide dog nor its gear, never call a guide dog by name
> > or speak to it, and do not intentionally make noises to distract the
> > dog.
>
> > My version:
> > 2. When you meet a guide dog or other service animal in public, it is
> > working. It is important that no one interfere with the dog?s work;
> > therefore, you should never touch a guide dog nor its gear, never call
> > or speak to a guide dog, and never intentionally do anything for the
> > purpose of distracting or getting the dogs attention.
>
> > Original:
> > 3. Never feed a service dog,? since feeding it may make working the
> > dog ?? difficult in places where food is present, such as in
> > restaurants and grocery
> > stores.
>
> > My version:
> > 3. Never feed a service dog,? since feeding it may make working the
> > dog ?? difficult in places where food is present, such as in
> > restaurants and grocery stores. ?In addition, many dogs can be quite
> > sensative to certain types of foods, so there is a very real
> > possibility that you may make the dog ill and unable to work.
>
> > Original:
> > 6. When giving directions to a blind person, speak to the person. Do
> > not call the dog or try to get it to follow you. Guide dog users
> > sometimes use a ?Follow?
> > command but the blind person will give it. Also, let the blind person
> > know about turns to be made so the blind person can give the proper
> > direction to
> > the dog.
>
>
> > My version:
> > 6. When giving directions to a blind person, speak to the person. Do
> > not call the dog or try to get it to follow you. Guide dog users
> > sometimes use a ?Follow? command, but the blind person is the one who
> > will give this command. Whether the blind person follows you or you
> > simply tell the blind person where to go, it is important to give
> > specific directions such as "left" and "right", rather than "over
> > there" or "thataway".
>
>
> > My version:
> > ??????7. Consistent discipline is key to a successful guide dog team.
> > Ordinarily, verbal admonitions are used to maintain control. If this
> > fails it may become necessary for the blind person to use a firm tug
> > on the leash. This does not hurt the dog; it simply brings the dog's
> > attention back to its job.
>
> > Original:
> > You see more blind people on the streets today, not because there are
> > more of us, but because we have learned to make our own way in the
> > world. A major
> > factor in this progress is the National Federation of the Blind, the
> > oldest & largest organization of the blind. We are blind people
> > speaking for ourselves
> > and acting for ourselves, working as equal partners with our sighted neighbors.
>
> > My version:
> > You may have noticed more blind people on the streets today, not
> > because there are more of us, but because we have learned to make our
> > own way in the world. A major
> > factor in this progress has been the National Federation of the Blind,
> > the oldest & largest organization of the blind. We are blind people
> > speaking for ourselves
> > and acting for ourselves, working as equal partners with our sighted neighbors.
>
> > Original:
> > If you found this information interesting, perhaps you know others who
> > would, as well! Please feel free to pass this on!
>
>
> > My version:
> > If you found this information interesting or helpful, perhaps you know
> > others who would, as well! Please feel free to pass this on!
>
>
>
> > Hope this helps.
>
> > Looking forward to printing and passing out some of these.
>
> > Thanks.
>
> > Aaron
>
> > On 5/14/11, Steven Johnson <blinddog3 at charter.net> wrote:
> >> Let me think on that for a bit. I am thinking that the word public should
> >> be in the title at some point with a direction leaning toward...
> >> Understanding the role of Dog Guides in Public
>
> >> Steve
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >> Of Marion Gwizdala
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:29 PM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>
> >> steve,
> >> Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
>
> >> Marion
>
>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>
>
> >>> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains the
> >>> *essential information* that the general public needs to know. Any more
> >>> details would be overkill.
>
> >>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
> >>> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >>> Of Marion Gwizdala
> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
> >>> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
> >>> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing List
> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>
> >>> Dear All,
> >>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> >>> editing
> >>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the
> >>> input
> >>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I
> >>> know
> >>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is
> >>> anything
> >>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also
> >>> like
> >>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
> >>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
> >>> before then!
>
> >>> Peace!
> >>> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
>
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> >> t
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:58:48 -0400
> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
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> Thanks, Aaron, for pointing that out to me. I missed the taxicab reference
> in the list of public accommodations. I looked for it in the sentence
> regarding types of transportation and didn't find it there. I still think
> it would be better placed with the other forms of transportation.
>
> Thanks,
> Ann
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aaron Cannon" <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 1:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>
>
> > Hi Ann.
> >
> > Taxicabs are mentioned in item 1.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> > On 5/15/11, Ann Edie <annedie at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> >> Hi, Marion,
> >>
> >> I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
> >> transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
> >> trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised that
> >> you
> >> did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has suggested
> >> including them either, since so many of our access issues involve taxis
> >> and
> >> taxi drivers.
> >>
> >> Otherwise, Very good brochure!
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Ann
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
> >> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
> >> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>;
> >> "Toni Whaley" <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
> >> <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina
> >> Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
> >> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
> >> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> >> editing
> >> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the
> >> input
> >> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I
> >> know
> >> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is
> >> anything
> >> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also
> >> like
> >> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece.
> >> My
> >> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your
> >> feedback
> >> before then!
> >>
> >> Peace!
> >> Marion Gwizdala
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:51:01 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
> Would Not Serve Her
> Message-ID: <20110515205101.16217.55430 at ip-10-203-66-216.ec2.internal>
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> You let them fire you, and then you su the socks off of the company
> going to the papers and TV.
> Yes it isn't up to them to tell you how to handle your dog.
> We would love to help but being here in Billings this isn't something
> I'm not sure we could help with.
> If we lived there, trust me I would be rite on top of it.
> I realize your chapter isn't doing well, but trust me I wouldn't need a
> chapter.
> You make sure you let the public know how they work.
>
> Original message:
> > No not yoet, but I asked what would happen if I chose not to comply and
> > it was stated that may be I wouldn't be working. I took that as a not
> > so suttle threat.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:59 PM
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
> > Would Not Serve Her
>
> > Have they come to the point saying you no longer can work for them?
> > Stand your ground, and make sure you do obedience daily.
> > Even more than once so your dogs know who the boss is.
> > They will grow up.
> > The dogs that is, people well ahem.
>
> > Original message:
> >> Marion have a situation at work. People seem to think that our new dogs
> >> aren't behaving the way they think they should and have the right to
> >> try to direct them. Unfortunately they know next to nothing about guide
> >> dogs the training or what a dog is capable of. They think that I need
> >> to comply with there judgment calls. I work very part time and they
> >> seem to think that dictating how I get to work is there concern. I
> >> don't agree since i'm pretty sure I'm not covered by there insurance.
> >> Any suggestions would be helpful.
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:17 AM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
> >> Would Not Serve Her
>
> >> Sheila,
> >> I agree with you. I believe society has expectations of how someone of a
> >> particular class is supposed to act and, when they do not fit into their
> >> stereotype, confuse assertiveness with aggression. this being said, I also
> >> believe it is important to handle such situations calmly, yet assertively
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:52:16 -0700
> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] access issue resolved!
> Message-ID: <65B1405CE66444E6800FB48A6E637979 at tamidesktop>
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>
> You go, girl! Love the 'tude. What a pain, though. Trying to educate some
> humans just takes a lot of work, doesn't it? /grin/
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Julie J
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:02 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] access issue resolved!
>
> Heya all!
>
> I was out of town for a business meeting Friday and Saturday. I experienced
> my first access issue at the hotel and wanted to share.
>
> When I checked into the hotel, the lady at the desk asked for Monty's card.
> I played stupid and asked what card? She insisted that Monty should have a
> card stating that he is a service dog. I told her that no ID is necessary
> and it is illegal for her to ask for it. she insisted that the last person
> that had a service dog in their hotel had a card and told them that every
> service dog has a card and the person must show it. *sigh*
>
> So I explained to her, ever so politely, that she was mistaken, that federal
> law very clearly does not require any sort of ID for the dog. She mumbled
> something about the laws must have changed. It was her way of saving face,
> but I was pissed and having none of it. So I continue with my explaination
> that the laws regarding service dogs and ID have been the same for the last
> 21 years. It then occurs to me that I might have copies of these laws buried
> in my purse. I offer to show her the laws.
>
> I think this was the turning point in the conversation. All the sudden she
> was no longer interested in ID cards or discussions of actual laws. She
> tried to tell me that she wouldn't need an ID card this time and that she
> didn't need to see the laws. This made me even more irritated. I wasn't
> going to leave this mess for the next person to deal with.
>
> I didn't have copies of the laws in my purse, but I did have the cards from
> Sit-Stay that give general information about service dogs and the DOJ toll
> free phone number. I gave her one of those. She tried to tell me that this
> card was fine. I told her that no, this is not an ID card, this is
> informational only and that anyone can purchase these on the internet. She
> then says that anyone can buy anything on the internet. AARGH! Why did she
> even want to see any sort of card if she freely admits that anyone can get
> one off the internet?
>
> Anyway that was the end of that. The rest of my hotel stay was uneventful.
> Later I asked the other guide dog user that was there if he had any problems
> with the dog when he checked in. Nope, they didn't say a word about the dog.
> So either I made a dent in their stupidity or the staff had changed at the
> front desk.
> This was the first time that I have had any sort of problem with access in
> regard to my guide dogs. I have had people ask the legal questions before,
> but this was the first time someone acted inappropriately. It worked out in
> the end, so that was good.
>
> Julie
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:55:53 -0400
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> Message-ID: <45A42CE36F2042E9AFC38581AB9C03DE at marion27df4b2a>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
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>
> Ann,
> I did include taxicabs in the sentence just before the one you cited.
>
> Marion
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>
>
> > Hi, Marion,
> >
> > I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
> > transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
> > trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised that
> > you did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has suggested
> > including them either, since so many of our access issues involve taxis
> > and taxi drivers.
> >
> > Otherwise, Very good brochure!
> >
> > Best,
> > Ann
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
> > <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
> > <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
> > <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey" <margo.downey at verizon.net>;
> > "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina Thomas"
> > <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
> > <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
> > Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> > As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> > editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like
> > the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog
> > user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to know if
> > there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might have
> > missed! I would also like to know if you have any better suggestions for
> > the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final copy is Monday,
> > so please offer your feedback before then!
> >
> > Peace!
> > Marion Gwizdala
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
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> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:56:24 -0700
> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown
> EateryWould Not Serve Her
> Message-ID: <B8E59F3C41A84D5AAF63FC36804CC6DE at tamidesktop>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Oh, my! There oughtta be a law ... Oh, wait! There is. That is just way
> the heck out of bounds! That must be so infuriating! Good luck!
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sheila Leigland
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:59 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown EateryWould Not
> Serve Her
>
> No not yoet, but I asked what would happen if I chose not to comply and it
> was stated that may be I wouldn't be working. I took that as a not so suttle
> threat.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:59 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> Not Serve Her
>
> Have they come to the point saying you no longer can work for them?
> Stand your ground, and make sure you do obedience daily.
> Even more than once so your dogs know who the boss is.
> They will grow up.
> The dogs that is, people well ahem.
>
> Original message:
> > Marion have a situation at work. People seem to think that our new dogs
> > aren't behaving the way they think they should and have the right to
> > try to direct them. Unfortunately they know next to nothing about guide
> > dogs the training or what a dog is capable of. They think that I need
> > to comply with there judgment calls. I work very part time and they
> > seem to think that dictating how I get to work is there concern. I
> > don't agree since i'm pretty sure I'm not covered by there insurance.
> > Any suggestions would be helpful.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:17 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
> > Would Not Serve Her
>
> > Sheila,
> > I agree with you. I believe society has expectations of how someone of
> a
> > particular class is supposed to act and, when they do not fit into their
> > stereotype, confuse assertiveness with aggression. this being said, I also
> > believe it is important to handle such situations calmly, yet assertively
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 17:03:28 -0400
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] board meeting
> Message-ID: <0AACDD66CDFC4636B7A4DFED92D9178E at marion27df4b2a>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> reply-type=original
>
> Tina,
> The Board of Directors meeting is on may 22.
>
> Marion
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 1:50 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] board meeting
>
>
> > Is there a board meeting today?
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Tina
> >
> >
> >
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>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:53:15 -0500
> From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] access issue resolved!
> Message-ID: <D9214D7D0C834A1EBB142AF01108D58B at CHRIS>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hi Julie. I encountered the same thing last year when staying at a hotel. My
> response was similar in asking what kind of card, and then telling them that
> it was illegal for them to ask for ID. Their tone also changed with me. They
> said, "Oh, since your disability is visible, and we know for sure that it is
> a guide dog because you're blind, we don't need to see ID." I tried to
> continue the discussion, but the woman in question was called away by
> someone else behind the desk and there were a few people behind me. I should
> have followed up with it. The rest of my stay at the hotel was also
> uneventful in regard to issues with my dog.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:01 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] access issue resolved!
>
>
> > Heya all!
> >
> > I was out of town for a business meeting Friday and Saturday. I
> > experienced my first access issue at the hotel and wanted to share.
> >
> > When I checked into the hotel, the lady at the desk asked for Monty's
> > card. I played stupid and asked what card? She insisted that Monty should
> > have a card stating that he is a service dog. I told her that no ID is
> > necessary and it is illegal for her to ask for it. she insisted that the
> > last person that had a service dog in their hotel had a card and told them
> > that every service dog has a card and the person must show it. *sigh*
> >
> > So I explained to her, ever so politely, that she was mistaken, that
> > federal law very clearly does not require any sort of ID for the dog. She
> > mumbled something about the laws must have changed. It was her way of
> > saving face, but I was pissed and having none of it. So I continue with my
> > explaination that the laws regarding service dogs and ID have been the
> > same for the last 21 years. It then occurs to me that I might have copies
> > of these laws buried in my purse. I offer to show her the laws.
> >
> > I think this was the turning point in the conversation. All the sudden she
> > was no longer interested in ID cards or discussions of actual laws. She
> > tried to tell me that she wouldn't need an ID card this time and that she
> > didn't need to see the laws. This made me even more irritated. I wasn't
> > going to leave this mess for the next person to deal with.
> >
> > I didn't have copies of the laws in my purse, but I did have the cards
> > from Sit-Stay that give general information about service dogs and the DOJ
> > toll free phone number. I gave her one of those. She tried to tell me that
> > this card was fine. I told her that no, this is not an ID card, this is
> > informational only and that anyone can purchase these on the internet. She
> > then says that anyone can buy anything on the internet. AARGH! Why did she
> > even want to see any sort of card if she freely admits that anyone can get
> > one off the internet?
> >
> > Anyway that was the end of that. The rest of my hotel stay was uneventful.
> > Later I asked the other guide dog user that was there if he had any
> > problems with the dog when he checked in. Nope, they didn't say a word
> > about the dog. So either I made a dent in their stupidity or the staff had
> > changed at the front desk.
> > This was the first time that I have had any sort of problem with access in
> > regard to my guide dogs. I have had people ask the legal questions
> > before, but this was the first time someone acted inappropriately. It
> > worked out in the end, so that was good.
> >
> > Julie
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 17:04:45 -0500
> From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> Message-ID: <F73DEAAD87734C57AD2C3FCDC535D83D at CHRIS>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> This is a bit off topic in regard to the brochure itself. But I agree Anne
> with a lot of our issues being with taxi cabs. On Thursday, on my way home
> from the store, the operator who answered at the cab company said, "It
> states when you call that you are visually impaired. You don't have a dog or
> anything like that with you do you?" First of all, what does anything like
> that with you mean? A service chicken or a service cow? LOL. I didn't answer
> his question with a yes or no. Instead, I simply told him that question was
> unnecessary and there was no need to ask. He said, "I apologize. But some
> cab drivers don't like dogs in their cabs." I told him that federal law
> doesn't go by whether or not a driver likes dogs in his or her cab. He then
> quickly apologized and didn't even give it a second thought. I was curious
> as to whether my response implied that I was accompanied by a dog. I was
> curious as to whether or not he just decided to note that I had a dog
> anyway, because of how I responded. So I called back in about 10 minutes
> later to check on the status of my cab, as they advise you to do, and asked
> what was all noted when my number came up. To my surprise, he did not note
> anything about a service dog. I have found, with this cab company in
> particular, that when some drivers realize I have a dog, they call into the
> company and try to have it noted on my file when my number comes up. When I
> call in to order a cab, they even say it. It shows here you have a dog, is
> this correct? And I say no so they remove it. LOL.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>
>
> > Ann,
> > I did include taxicabs in the sentence just before the one you cited.
> >
> > Marion
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> >> Hi, Marion,
> >>
> >> I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
> >> transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
> >> trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised that
> >> you did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has suggested
> >> including them either, since so many of our access issues involve taxis
> >> and taxi drivers.
> >>
> >> Otherwise, Very good brochure!
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Ann
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
> >> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
> >> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
> >> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey" <margo.downey at verizon.net>;
> >> "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina Thomas"
> >> <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
> >> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
> >> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> >> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would
> >> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide
> >> dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to know
> >> if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might have
> >> missed! I would also like to know if you have any better suggestions for
> >> the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final copy is Monday,
> >> so please offer your feedback before then!
> >>
> >> Peace!
> >> Marion Gwizdala
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 17:22:59 -0500
> From: Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=Qe2_yRwsByZSecQVHpSR6_UdCZA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Thanks guys! You are all awesome, and this list is great!
>
> Brie and I can't wait to go to convention! She just loves to be the
> center of attention. Lol I hope to see many of you there.
>
> On 5/15/11, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
> > Yes, that is great.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Elizabeth Rene <emrene at earthlink.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:43 PM
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
> >
> > Congratulations on winning an NFB scholarship.
> >
> > You do us and our dogs proud.
> >
> > Elizabeth
> >
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> >
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>
>
> --
> Julie McG
> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> Eyes for the Blind
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> life."
> John 3:16
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 17:33:38 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
> Message-ID: <9AF8291B-D20E-47F4-BC50-945257C98115 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Julie, I'm thinkin' you are going to be the center of attention. You are getting the scholarship. <Grin>
>
> CL
>
> On May 15, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Julie McGinnity wrote:
>
> > Thanks guys! You are all awesome, and this list is great!
> >
> > Brie and I can't wait to go to convention! She just loves to be the
> > center of attention. Lol I hope to see many of you there.
> >
> > On 5/15/11, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
> >> Yes, that is great.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Elizabeth Rene <emrene at earthlink.net>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:43 PM
> >> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
> >>
> >> Congratulations on winning an NFB scholarship.
> >>
> >> You do us and our dogs proud.
> >>
> >> Elizabeth
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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> >>
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Julie McG
> > Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
> > Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> > Eyes for the Blind
> >
> > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> > life."
> > John 3:16
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nagdu mailing list
> > nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 18:15:21 -0500
> From: Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
> Message-ID: <BANLkTimJfjtScZM+xQWRpJ1rfito9VT4zA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Oh yes, but when I'm the center of attention my little diva dog will
> think she needs some of that attention. That's what I've been calling
> her lately. Of course, many of the things she does on stage that grab
> attention, a blind person would not notice, so maybe you're right. I
> should have explained that better. My dog is a big diva. As you know
> I'm a performance major, and as such, I have to be on stage a lot,
> which means that Brie also comes on stage. She likes to be dramatic
> when I am singing. She roles over, or crosses her paws, or flops her
> head down, all things that don't even phase me, but the sighted
> audience love it. I'm sure some of you can relate. Lol
>
> On 5/15/11, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Julie, I'm thinkin' you are going to be the center of attention. You are
> > getting the scholarship. <Grin>
> >
> > CL
> >
> > On May 15, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Julie McGinnity wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks guys! You are all awesome, and this list is great!
> >>
> >> Brie and I can't wait to go to convention! She just loves to be the
> >> center of attention. Lol I hope to see many of you there.
> >>
> >> On 5/15/11, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
> >>> Yes, that is great.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Elizabeth Rene <emrene at earthlink.net>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:43 PM
> >>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
> >>>
> >>> Congratulations on winning an NFB scholarship.
> >>>
> >>> You do us and our dogs proud.
> >>>
> >>> Elizabeth
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Julie McG
> >> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
> >> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> >> Eyes for the Blind
> >>
> >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> >> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> >> life."
> >> John 3:16
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
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>
>
> --
> Julie McG
> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> Eyes for the Blind
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> life."
> John 3:16
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 18:16:20 -0500
> From: Holly Mcknight <hollyandpolly at hotmail.com>
> To: "nagdu at nfbnet.org" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 74, Issue 15
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP959D6ADF18C363D1DC69C6BC8A0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I really like the changes to this info. I find it helpful when dealing with the public,
> if I answer specific questions when I can. I am a part of the newly firmed Lone Star Puppy Club, who are raising puppies for GDB. The school has a great web site, as does our puppy club. We all also carry business cards that are very helpful. You can all check out www.guidedogtx.blogspot.com, hope this helps.
> Sent From My iPhone
>
> On May 15, 2011, at 12:00 PM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Your critique Invited! (Marion Gwizdala)
> > 2. Re: Your critique Invited! (Steven Johnson)
> > 3. Re: Your critique Invited! (Marion Gwizdala)
> > 4. Re: Your critique Invited! (Jeffrey Young)
> > 5. Re: Your critique Invited! (Marion Gwizdala)
> > 6. Re: Your critique Invited! (Steven Johnson)
> > 7. Way to go, Julie! (Elizabeth Rene)
> > 8. Re: Your critique Invited! (Aaron Cannon)
> > 9. Re: Your critique Invited! (Julie J)
> > 10. Re: FW: National Federation of the Blind Announces 2011
> > Scholarship Program Winners, and one of them is on our list!!
> > (Julie J)
> > 11. Re: Putting eye ointment (Julie J)
> > 12. Re: Your critique Invited! (Aaron Cannon)
> > 13. Re: Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not
> > Serve Her (d m gina)
> > 14. Re: Putting eye ointment (Margo and Arrow)
> > 15. Re: Your critique Invited! (Sheila Leigland)
> > 16. my suggestions for the brochure (Michael Hingson)
> > 17. Re: Your critique Invited! (Marion Gwizdala)
> > 18. Re: Your critique Invited! (Ann Edie)
> > 19. access issue resolved! (Julie J)
> > 20. Re: Your critique Invited! (Julie J)
> > 21. Re: access issue resolved! (The Pawpower Pack)
> > 22. Re: Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not
> > Serve Her (Sheila Leigland)
> > 23. Re: Way to go, Julie! (Sheila Leigland)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 15:14:28 -0400
> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>, "Michael Hingson"
> > <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>, "Sherrill O'Brien"
> > <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>, "Toni Whaley"
> > <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>, "Margo Downey"
> > <margo.downey at verizon.net>, "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>,
> > "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>, "Correspondence Committee
> > Mailing List" <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> > Message-ID: <43048881EE744ECD97E855087B57B9F5 at marion27df4b2a>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Dear All,
> > As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also like to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback before then!
> >
> > Peace!
> > Marion Gwizdala
> >
> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 14:24:52 -0500
> > From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> > Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> > Message-ID: <001101cc126c$9978cae0$cc6a60a0$@net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains the
> > *essential information* that the general public needs to know. Any more
> > details would be overkill.
> >
> > Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
> > Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Marion Gwizdala
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
> > To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
> > Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing List
> > Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> > Dear All,
> > As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am editing
> > our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the input
> > of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I know
> > what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is anything
> > "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also like
> > to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
> > deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
> > before then!
> >
> > Peace!
> > Marion Gwizdala
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 15:29:27 -0400
> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> > Message-ID: <3CE479352A1A4549A80D5FFD6F3CEB90 at marion27df4b2a>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > steve,
> > Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
> >
> > Marion
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> >> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains the
> >> *essential information* that the general public needs to know. Any more
> >> details would be overkill.
> >>
> >> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
> >> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >> Of Marion Gwizdala
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
> >> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
> >> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing List
> >> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> >> editing
> >> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the
> >> input
> >> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I
> >> know
> >> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is
> >> anything
> >> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also
> >> like
> >> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
> >> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
> >> before then!
> >>
> >> Peace!
> >> Marion Gwizdala
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nagdu mailing list
> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> nagdu:
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/blind411%40verizon.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:33:35 -0600
> > From: Jeffrey Young <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> > Message-ID: <EC3BBA1D-CF9B-4A1B-90CA-2413D75BA4D7 at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > I like it. All though some uneducated people might think a leash correction is more than a firm tug, :)
> >
> > Good work.
> >
> > Jeff and Hansel
> > On May 14, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
> >
> >> steve,
> >> Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
> >>
> >> Marion
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >>
> >>> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains the
> >>> *essential information* that the general public needs to know. Any more
> >>> details would be overkill.
> >>>
> >>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
> >>> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >>> Of Marion Gwizdala
> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
> >>> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
> >>> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing List
> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>>
> >>> Dear All,
> >>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am editing
> >>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the input
> >>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I know
> >>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is anything
> >>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also like
> >>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
> >>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
> >>> before then!
> >>>
> >>> Peace!
> >>> Marion Gwizdala
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> nagdu mailing list
> >>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nagdu:
> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/blind411%40verizon.net
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nagdu mailing list
> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nagdu:
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jeff.young8806%40gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 15:51:25 -0400
> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> > Message-ID: <A1513396D6924F2B9FA5C387A1D7FD52 at marion27df4b2a>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Jeff,
> > Thank you for taking a look at it! As per my question to Steve, do you
> > have any suggestions for a new title?
> >
> > Marion
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeffrey Young" <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> >> I like it. All though some uneducated people might think a leash correction
> >> is more than a firm tug, :)
> >>
> >> Good work.
> >>
> >> Jeff and Hansel
> >> On May 14, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
> >>
> >>> steve,
> >>> Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
> >>>
> >>> Marion
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Johnson"
> >>> <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> >>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains the
> >>>> *essential information* that the general public needs to know. Any more
> >>>> details would be overkill.
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
> >>>> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>>> Behalf
> >>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
> >>>> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
> >>>> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing
> >>>> List
> >>>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear All,
> >>>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> >>>> editing
> >>>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the
> >>>> input
> >>>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I
> >>>> know
> >>>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is
> >>>> anything
> >>>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also
> >>>> like
> >>>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece.
> >>>> My
> >>>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your
> >>>> feedback
> >>>> before then!
> >>>>
> >>>> Peace!
> >>>> Marion Gwizdala
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> nagdu mailing list
> >>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >>>> nagdu:
> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/blind411%40verizon.net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> nagdu mailing list
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> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 14:51:52 -0500
> > From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> > Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> > Message-ID: <001f01cc1270$5f302690$1d9073b0$@net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Let me think on that for a bit. I am thinking that the word public should
> > be in the title at some point with a direction leaning toward...
> > Understanding the role of Dog Guides in Public
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Marion Gwizdala
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:29 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> > steve,
> > Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
> >
> > Marion
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> >> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains the
> >> *essential information* that the general public needs to know. Any more
> >> details would be overkill.
> >>
> >> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
> >> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >> Of Marion Gwizdala
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
> >> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
> >> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing List
> >> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> >> editing
> >> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the
> >> input
> >> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I
> >> know
> >> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is
> >> anything
> >> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also
> >> like
> >> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
> >> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
> >> before then!
> >>
> >> Peace!
> >> Marion Gwizdala
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nagdu mailing list
> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> nagdu:
> >>
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/blind411%40verizon.ne
> > t
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > et
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:43:16 -0700
> > From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
> > To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
> > Message-ID: <DA98F589F35741CA94D3C791EDFCF211 at elizabethrene>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Congratulations on winning an NFB scholarship.
> >
> > You do us and our dogs proud.
> >
> > Elizabeth
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 16:45:24 -0500
> > From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> > Message-ID: <BANLkTi=Skcz18H2CxLN3vryQfnDXZQB6EQ at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > Here are my edits. You can pick and choose as you like. I would,
> > however, be interested in seeing an updated version, if you do in fact
> > incorporate any of these changes into the document.
> >
> >
> > Original:
> > When you see a guide dog at work you are watching a team with each
> > partner contributing to the team effort. As the head of the team, the
> > blind person?s role is to maintain control of the guide dog and to
> > direct the guide dog to where the handler wants to go. The blind
> > person does this by giving the dog directional commands, such as
> > ?Forward?, ?Left?, and ?Right?, which are sometimes accompanied by
> > hand commands. The guide dog?s role in this partnership is to obey
> > these commands, except when to do so would place the team in danger.
> >
> > My Version:
> > When you see a guide dog at work, you are watching a team, with each
> > partner contributing to the team effort. As the head of the team, the
> > blind person?s role is to maintain control of the guide dog and to
> > direct the guide dog to where the handler wants to go. The blind
> > person does this by giving the dog directional commands, such as
> > ?Forward?, ?Left?, and ?Right?, which are sometimes accompanied by
> > hand jestures. The guide dog?s role in this partnership is to obey
> > these commands, except when to do so would place the team in danger.
> > For example, if a handler were to ask his guide dog to go forward when
> > there was a sudden drop-off directly ahead, the guide dog would refuse
> > to obey.
> >
> >
> > original:
> > 1. It is a violation of state & federal laws to deny access to a
> > disabled person accompanied by a service animal. This includes stores,
> > restaurants, taxicabs,
> > parks, health care facilities, zoos, or any other place the general
> > public is admitted. The law prohibits public carriers such as buses,
> > trains, or planes
> > from refusing to serve a disabled individual accompanied by a service
> > animal. Furthermore, a disabled person accompanied by a service animal
> > has the same
> > rights as other passengers to choose where they sit on such carriers
> > where no other legally established seating requirements exists.
> >
> > my version:
> > 1. It is a violation of both state & federal law to segrigate or deny
> > access to a disabled person accompanied by a service animal. These
> > laws apply to stores, restaurants, taxicabs, parks, health care
> > facilities, zoos, and any other place the general public is admitted.
> > The law also prohibits public carriers such as buses, trains, or
> > planes from refusing to serve a disabled individual accompanied by a
> > service animal. Furthermore, a disabled person accompanied by a
> > service animal has the same rights as other passengers to choose where
> > they sit on such carriers where no other legally established seating
> > requirements exist.
> >
> > Original:
> > 2. When you meet a guide dog or other service animal in public, it is
> > working. It is important that others do not interfere with the dog?s
> > work; therefore,
> > Never touch a guide dog nor its gear, never call a guide dog by name
> > or speak to it, and do not intentionally make noises to distract the
> > dog.
> >
> > My version:
> > 2. When you meet a guide dog or other service animal in public, it is
> > working. It is important that no one interfere with the dog?s work;
> > therefore, you should never touch a guide dog nor its gear, never call
> > or speak to a guide dog, and never intentionally do anything for the
> > purpose of distracting or getting the dogs attention.
> >
> > Original:
> > 3. Never feed a service dog,? since feeding it may make working the
> > dog ?? difficult in places where food is present, such as in
> > restaurants and grocery
> > stores.
> >
> > My version:
> > 3. Never feed a service dog,? since feeding it may make working the
> > dog ?? difficult in places where food is present, such as in
> > restaurants and grocery stores. ?In addition, many dogs can be quite
> > sensative to certain types of foods, so there is a very real
> > possibility that you may make the dog ill and unable to work.
> >
> > Original:
> > 6. When giving directions to a blind person, speak to the person. Do
> > not call the dog or try to get it to follow you. Guide dog users
> > sometimes use a ?Follow?
> > command but the blind person will give it. Also, let the blind person
> > know about turns to be made so the blind person can give the proper
> > direction to
> > the dog.
> >
> >
> > My version:
> > 6. When giving directions to a blind person, speak to the person. Do
> > not call the dog or try to get it to follow you. Guide dog users
> > sometimes use a ?Follow? command, but the blind person is the one who
> > will give this command. Whether the blind person follows you or you
> > simply tell the blind person where to go, it is important to give
> > specific directions such as "left" and "right", rather than "over
> > there" or "thataway".
> >
> >
> > My version:
> > ??????7. Consistent discipline is key to a successful guide dog team.
> > Ordinarily, verbal admonitions are used to maintain control. If this
> > fails it may become necessary for the blind person to use a firm tug
> > on the leash. This does not hurt the dog; it simply brings the dog's
> > attention back to its job.
> >
> > Original:
> > You see more blind people on the streets today, not because there are
> > more of us, but because we have learned to make our own way in the
> > world. A major
> > factor in this progress is the National Federation of the Blind, the
> > oldest & largest organization of the blind. We are blind people
> > speaking for ourselves
> > and acting for ourselves, working as equal partners with our sighted neighbors.
> >
> > My version:
> > You may have noticed more blind people on the streets today, not
> > because there are more of us, but because we have learned to make our
> > own way in the world. A major
> > factor in this progress has been the National Federation of the Blind,
> > the oldest & largest organization of the blind. We are blind people
> > speaking for ourselves
> > and acting for ourselves, working as equal partners with our sighted neighbors.
> >
> > Original:
> > If you found this information interesting, perhaps you know others who
> > would, as well! Please feel free to pass this on!
> >
> >
> > My version:
> > If you found this information interesting or helpful, perhaps you know
> > others who would, as well! Please feel free to pass this on!
> >
> >
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Looking forward to printing and passing out some of these.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> > On 5/14/11, Steven Johnson <blinddog3 at charter.net> wrote:
> >> Let me think on that for a bit. I am thinking that the word public should
> >> be in the title at some point with a direction leaning toward...
> >> Understanding the role of Dog Guides in Public
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >> Of Marion Gwizdala
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:29 PM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >> steve,
> >> Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
> >>
> >> Marion
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >>
> >>> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains the
> >>> *essential information* that the general public needs to know. Any more
> >>> details would be overkill.
> >>>
> >>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
> >>> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >>> Of Marion Gwizdala
> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
> >>> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
> >>> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing List
> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>>
> >>> Dear All,
> >>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> >>> editing
> >>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the
> >>> input
> >>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I
> >>> know
> >>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is
> >>> anything
> >>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also
> >>> like
> >>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
> >>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
> >>> before then!
> >>>
> >>> Peace!
> >>> Marion Gwizdala
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> nagdu mailing list
> >>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >>> nagdu:
> >>>
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/blind411%40verizon.ne
> >> t
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> et
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 18:27:38 -0500
> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> > Message-ID: <00a701cc128e$83ae5c80$0201a8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Could something about ID cards not being required as a condition of access
> > be added?
> >
> > Julie
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
> > <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>;
> > "Toni Whaley" <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
> > <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina
> > Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
> > <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
> > Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> > As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am editing
> > our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the input
> > of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I know
> > what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is anything
> > "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also like
> > to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
> > deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
> > before then!
> >
> > Peace!
> > Marion Gwizdala
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nagdu mailing list
> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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> >> nagdu:
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/julielj%40neb.rr.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 18:48:46 -0500
> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: National Federation of the Blind Announces
> > 2011 Scholarship Program Winners, and one of them is on our list!!
> > Message-ID: <00c301cc1291$7721e650$0201a8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Yea to Julie! Have fun at convention and best of luck at winning one of
> > the big scholarships!
> >
> > the other Julie
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>
> > To: "Nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:26 PM
> > Subject: [nagdu] FW: National Federation of the Blind Announces 2011
> > Scholarship Program Winners, and one of them is on our list!!
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I just received the following announcement of the 2011 national scholarship
> > winners, and was delighted to see our Julie McGinnity as one of them. Great
> > accomplishment, Julie, and many congratulations to you!
> >
> > Sherrill
> > !-----Original Message-----
> > From: nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org]On Behalf Of Freeh, Jessica
> > (by way of David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>)
> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:46 PM
> > To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] National Federation of the Blind Announces
> > 2011 Scholarship Program Winners
> >
> >
> >
> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> >
> >
> >
> > CONTACT:
> >
> > Chris Danielsen
> >
> > Director of Public Relations
> >
> > National Federation of the Blind
> >
> > (410) 659-9314, extension 2330
> >
> > (410) 262-1281 (Cell)
> >
> > cdanielsen at nfb.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > National Federation of the Blind Announces
> > 2011 Scholarship Program Winners
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Baltimore, Maryland (May 13, 2011): The National Federation of the Blind
> > (NFB), the nation's oldest and largest organization of blind people, today
> > announced the winners of its 2011 Scholarship Program, which awards thirty
> > scholarships each year to recognize achievement by blind scholars. The
> > winners are listed below in alphabetical order with their home states and
> > vocational goals:
> >
> >
> >
> > ? Yasen Angelov, FL: certified public accountant (CPA)
> >
> > ? Jessica Beecham, TN: therapeutic recreation specialist for persons
> > with disabilities
> >
> > ? Mary Billington, NY: educational policy and management specialist
> >
> > ? David Bouchard, MS: teacher of orientation and mobility
> >
> > ? Christine Daniels, CO: scientist/professor of cellular and
> > molecular biophysics
> >
> > ? Roberto Diaz, CT: teacher of American history to at-risk youth
> >
> > ? Aleeha Dudley, OH: equine veterinarian
> >
> > ? Heather Edwards, SC: disability services coordinator
> >
> > ? Christopher Fountain, VA: family and marriage counselor
> >
> > ? Brenton R. Fuchs, CT: business administration and marketing
> >
> > ? Diane Graves, IN: social services administrator
> >
> > ? Michelle Hackman, NY: scientist specializing in behavioral science
> >
> > ? Shafeka Hashash, NJ: lawyer or international relations specialist at
> > the UN
> >
> > ? Carry Joanis, NY: MBA-credentialed financial analyst or product
> > manager
> >
> > ? Kathleen Katulak, NY: teacher of the blind and educational
> > researcher
> >
> > ? Catherine Lei, CA: patent attorney and expert in the physical
> > sciences
> >
> > ? Ma'ayan Malter, IL: professor of economics
> >
> > ? Daniel Martinez, TX: teacher of blind students
> >
> > ? Ryan T. McBee, OR: elected politician or political consultant
> >
> > ? Julie McGinnity, MO: vocal coach, professional singer, and German
> > translator
> >
> > ? Terence Meehan, CA: medical doctor involved in clinical research and
> > teaching
> >
> > ? Sylvia Modesitt, MO: scientist/professor of astrophysics or
> > molecular biology
> >
> > ? Justin Salisbury, CT: professor of quantitative economics
> >
> > ? Kyle Shachmut, MA: administrator/professor of educational media and
> > technology
> >
> > ? Amber K. Sherrard, LA: nutritionist
> >
> > ? Sandra Sommers, OH: physical therapist
> >
> > ? Mikaela Stevens, ID: motivational public speaker
> >
> > ? Kristina Vu, TX: lawyer
> >
> > ? Henry Wedler, CA: professor of chemistry
> >
> > ? Matthew C. Yeater, IN: minister and evangelist
> >
> >
> >
> > "These students represent academic excellence, and many of them are
> > doubtless future leaders of this nation's blind," said Dr. Marc Maurer,
> > President of the National Federation of the Blind. "They are forging a path
> > in disciplines as varied as economics, molecular biology, physical therapy,
> > law, and nutrition. They are proof of our conviction that we, the blind of
> > this nation, can compete on terms of equality with our sighted peers, and we
> > are very proud of their accomplishments."
> >
> >
> >
> > In July each winner will attend the NFB's seventy-first annual national
> > convention in Orlando, Florida, where the Scholarship Committee will spend
> > several days getting to know each student and then decide which scholarship
> > (ranging in value from $3,000 to $12,000) to award each of them. The
> > scholarship winners will then be announced at the banquet of the NFB
> > convention on Friday, July 8.
> >
> >
> >
> > For more information on the National Federation of the Blind Scholarship
> > Program, visit www.nfb.org/scholarships .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ###
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > About the National Federation of the Blind
> >
> > With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the
> > largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the
> > United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy,
> > education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and
> > self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and
> > the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the
> > National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and
> > training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 18:52:07 -0500
> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Putting eye ointment
> > Message-ID: <00c701cc1291$ef163670$0201a8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Sorry Tracy, I have no good ideas for you.
> >
> > The first thing that came to me was to put the ointment on a finger and then
> > to put it on the inside of the eyelid, but this probably isn't a good idea.
> > Let us know if you find something that works well for you.
> >
> > Julie
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> > To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 7:46 AM
> > Subject: [nagdu] Putting eye ointment
> >
> >
> >> I need to put some ointment in Echo's eye twice a day for a couple weeks.
> >> I did good yesterday, but not so good today. I have my husband hold her
> >> head still, then use one hand to pull down on the skin under her eye,
> >> hopefully opening it up, then use the other hand to position and squeeze
> >> the tube, trying not to poke her with it. I haven't poked her, but today
> >> I'm not sure I hit the target, either. Oh for that third hand I've always
> >> wanted!
> >> If anyone has a good method that's better than mine, please share.
> >> Tracy
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 19:50:52 -0500
> > From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> > Message-ID: <BANLkTimxdZPh3P-1jfRxXcJpegY_L1SRWg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > That's a good idea. I also wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to
> > add some careful language explaining what the business owner can do.
> > At the moment, there's no mention of the business owners rights. I
> > realize that that's not the purpose of the flier, but on the other
> > hand, a document which is too one-sided isn't likely to be well
> > received by some.
> >
> > Here's my attempt at such language:
> > If you are not sure whether or not a dog is a guide or service dog,
> > you may ask the handler. In order to be considered a service dog
> > under federal law, a dog must be trained to perform a specific task
> > for a person with a disability, and you may also ask the handler what
> > specific task the dog is trained to perform. However, a handler is
> > not required to tell you about their disability, nor are they required
> > to have any sort of certification of their dog's training.
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> > On 5/14/11, Julie J <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
> >> Could something about ID cards not being required as a condition of access
> >> be added?
> >>
> >> Julie
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
> >> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>;
> >> "Toni Whaley" <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
> >> <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina
> >> Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
> >> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
> >> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am editing
> >> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the input
> >> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I know
> >> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is anything
> >> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also like
> >> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
> >> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
> >> before then!
> >>
> >> Peace!
> >> Marion Gwizdala
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> > Message: 13
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 20:59:21 -0400
> > From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
> > Would Not Serve Her
> > Message-ID: <20110515005921.16194.42227 at ip-10-203-66-216.ec2.internal>
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> > Have they come to the point saying you no longer can work for them?
> > Stand your ground, and make sure you do obedience daily.
> > Even more than once so your dogs know who the boss is.
> > They will grow up.
> > The dogs that is, people well ahem.
> >
> > Original message:
> >> Marion have a situation at work. People seem to think that our new dogs
> >> aren't behaving the way they think they should and have the right to
> >> try to direct them. Unfortunately they know next to nothing about guide
> >> dogs the training or what a dog is capable of. They think that I need
> >> to comply with there judgment calls. I work very part time and they
> >> seem to think that dictating how I get to work is there concern. I
> >> don't agree since i'm pretty sure I'm not covered by there insurance.
> >> Any suggestions would be helpful.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:17 AM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
> >> Would Not Serve Her
> >
> >> Sheila,
> >> I agree with you. I believe society has expectations of how someone of a
> >> particular class is supposed to act and, when they do not fit into their
> >> stereotype, confuse assertiveness with aggression. this being said, I also
> >> believe it is important to handle such situations calmly, yet assertively.
> >> The law is on our sides and we need to learn how to take advantage of that
> >> fact.
> >
> >> Fraternally yours,
> >> Marion
> >
> >
> >
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:23 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> >> Not Serve Her
> >
> >
> >>> I don't know if this lady had a bad attitude or not but sometimes it seems
> >>> like if we stand up for ourselves we are just being sensitive it doesn't
> >>> seem right. Others seem to be peeermitted to stand up for themselves but
> >>> not blind folks. It needs to change.
> >
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: wmodnl wmodnl <wmodnl at hotmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:21 AM
> >>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> >>> Not Serve Her
> >
> >
> >>> I have been to this establishment many times and have had only good
> >>> experiences being served with my guide dog. I am also aware of others who
> >>> have had positive experiences with this business.
> >>> Good luck.
> >
> >
> >
> >>>> From: GingerKutsch at yahoo.com
> >>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>>> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 08:19:53 -0400
> >>>> Subject: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not
> >>>> Serve Her
> >
> >>>> Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not Serve Her
> >>>> By: NY1 News
> >>>> http://manhattan.ny1.com/content/top_stories/138854/blind-woman-with-guide-d
> >>>> og-says-midtown-eatery-would-not-serve-her
> >
> >>>> A blind woman told NY1 that a Midtown restaurant discriminated against
> >>>> her
> >>>> when they would not let her guide dog inside.
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> >>>> A legally blind woman told NY1 that a Midtown restaurant discriminated
> >>>> against her when they would not let her guide dog inside.
> >
> >>>> Irene Sirotta said she, her guide dog Tyler and a friend went inside La
> >>>> Baguette restaurant, but an employee asked them to leave.
> >
> >>>> She said they showed documentation to prove Tyler, seen above, is a guide
> >>>> dog, but they were still told to get out.
> >
> >>>> "It's discrimination. You can go in there, why can't I? Why?" said
> >>>> Sirotta.
> >>>> "He's a guide dog. Why can't I go in there? New York State law says I can
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> > Message: 14
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 21:12:42 -0400
> > From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Putting eye ointment
> > Message-ID: <96A894ADDF924D5687B92C700FB496D7 at meandmyarrow>
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> >
> > Tracy, I'm going to try to explain this and hope I make some sense. I had
> > to put ointment in elmo's eyes for conjunctivitis. At the Vet's office, we
> > worked out an alternative technique. for each eye, I started with my finger
> > at the top of the eye, in other words, the upper lid and moved my finger
> > down very carefull which brought down the lower lid. I put the ointment in
> > that way. I hope this made some sense to you.
> >
> > Margo and Arrow
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 7:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Putting eye ointment
> >
> >
> >> Sorry Tracy, I have no good ideas for you.
> >>
> >> The first thing that came to me was to put the ointment on a finger and
> >> then to put it on the inside of the eyelid, but this probably isn't a good
> >> idea. Let us know if you find something that works well for you.
> >>
> >> Julie
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> >> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 7:46 AM
> >> Subject: [nagdu] Putting eye ointment
> >>
> >>
> >>> I need to put some ointment in Echo's eye twice a day for a couple weeks.
> >>> I did good yesterday, but not so good today. I have my husband hold her
> >>> head still, then use one hand to pull down on the skin under her eye,
> >>> hopefully opening it up, then use the other hand to position and squeeze
> >>> the tube, trying not to poke her with it. I haven't poked her, but today
> >>> I'm not sure I hit the target, either. Oh for that third hand I've
> >>> always
> >>> wanted!
> >>> If anyone has a good method that's better than mine, please share.
> >>> Tracy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 15
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 22:01:11 -0600
> > From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> > Message-ID: <auto-000029263916 at fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Very interesting good points that is for sure. Yesterday I had to tell someone not to whistle at my dogs.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:45 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > Here are my edits. You can pick and choose as you like. I would,
> > however, be interested in seeing an updated version, if you do in fact
> > incorporate any of these changes into the document.
> >
> >
> > Original:
> > When you see a guide dog at work you are watching a team with each
> > partner contributing to the team effort. As the head of the team, the
> > blind person?s role is to maintain control of the guide dog and to
> > direct the guide dog to where the handler wants to go. The blind
> > person does this by giving the dog directional commands, such as
> > ?Forward?, ?Left?, and ?Right?, which are sometimes accompanied by
> > hand commands. The guide dog?s role in this partnership is to obey
> > these commands, except when to do so would place the team in danger.
> >
> > My Version:
> > When you see a guide dog at work, you are watching a team, with each
> > partner contributing to the team effort. As the head of the team, the
> > blind person?s role is to maintain control of the guide dog and to
> > direct the guide dog to where the handler wants to go. The blind
> > person does this by giving the dog directional commands, such as
> > ?Forward?, ?Left?, and ?Right?, which are sometimes accompanied by
> > hand jestures. The guide dog?s role in this partnership is to obey
> > these commands, except when to do so would place the team in danger.
> > For example, if a handler were to ask his guide dog to go forward when
> > there was a sudden drop-off directly ahead, the guide dog would refuse
> > to obey.
> >
> >
> > original:
> > 1. It is a violation of state & federal laws to deny access to a
> > disabled person accompanied by a service animal. This includes stores,
> > restaurants, taxicabs,
> > parks, health care facilities, zoos, or any other place the general
> > public is admitted. The law prohibits public carriers such as buses,
> > trains, or planes
> > from refusing to serve a disabled individual accompanied by a service
> > animal. Furthermore, a disabled person accompanied by a service animal
> > has the same
> > rights as other passengers to choose where they sit on such carriers
> > where no other legally established seating requirements exists.
> >
> > my version:
> > 1. It is a violation of both state & federal law to segrigate or deny
> > access to a disabled person accompanied by a service animal. These
> > laws apply to stores, restaurants, taxicabs, parks, health care
> > facilities, zoos, and any other place the general public is admitted.
> > The law also prohibits public carriers such as buses, trains, or
> > planes from refusing to serve a disabled individual accompanied by a
> > service animal. Furthermore, a disabled person accompanied by a
> > service animal has the same rights as other passengers to choose where
> > they sit on such carriers where no other legally established seating
> > requirements exist.
> >
> > Original:
> > 2. When you meet a guide dog or other service animal in public, it is
> > working. It is important that others do not interfere with the dog?s
> > work; therefore,
> > Never touch a guide dog nor its gear, never call a guide dog by name
> > or speak to it, and do not intentionally make noises to distract the
> > dog.
> >
> > My version:
> > 2. When you meet a guide dog or other service animal in public, it is
> > working. It is important that no one interfere with the dog?s work;
> > therefore, you should never touch a guide dog nor its gear, never call
> > or speak to a guide dog, and never intentionally do anything for the
> > purpose of distracting or getting the dogs attention.
> >
> > Original:
> > 3. Never feed a service dog,? since feeding it may make working the
> > dog ?? difficult in places where food is present, such as in
> > restaurants and grocery
> > stores.
> >
> > My version:
> > 3. Never feed a service dog,? since feeding it may make working the
> > dog ?? difficult in places where food is present, such as in
> > restaurants and grocery stores. ?In addition, many dogs can be quite
> > sensative to certain types of foods, so there is a very real
> > possibility that you may make the dog ill and unable to work.
> >
> > Original:
> > 6. When giving directions to a blind person, speak to the person. Do
> > not call the dog or try to get it to follow you. Guide dog users
> > sometimes use a ?Follow?
> > command but the blind person will give it. Also, let the blind person
> > know about turns to be made so the blind person can give the proper
> > direction to
> > the dog.
> >
> >
> > My version:
> > 6. When giving directions to a blind person, speak to the person. Do
> > not call the dog or try to get it to follow you. Guide dog users
> > sometimes use a ?Follow? command, but the blind person is the one who
> > will give this command. Whether the blind person follows you or you
> > simply tell the blind person where to go, it is important to give
> > specific directions such as "left" and "right", rather than "over
> > there" or "thataway".
> >
> >
> > My version:
> > ??????7. Consistent discipline is key to a successful guide dog team.
> > Ordinarily, verbal admonitions are used to maintain control. If this
> > fails it may become necessary for the blind person to use a firm tug
> > on the leash. This does not hurt the dog; it simply brings the dog's
> > attention back to its job.
> >
> > Original:
> > You see more blind people on the streets today, not because there are
> > more of us, but because we have learned to make our own way in the
> > world. A major
> > factor in this progress is the National Federation of the Blind, the
> > oldest & largest organization of the blind. We are blind people
> > speaking for ourselves
> > and acting for ourselves, working as equal partners with our sighted neighbors.
> >
> > My version:
> > You may have noticed more blind people on the streets today, not
> > because there are more of us, but because we have learned to make our
> > own way in the world. A major
> > factor in this progress has been the National Federation of the Blind,
> > the oldest & largest organization of the blind. We are blind people
> > speaking for ourselves
> > and acting for ourselves, working as equal partners with our sighted neighbors.
> >
> > Original:
> > If you found this information interesting, perhaps you know others who
> > would, as well! Please feel free to pass this on!
> >
> >
> > My version:
> > If you found this information interesting or helpful, perhaps you know
> > others who would, as well! Please feel free to pass this on!
> >
> >
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Looking forward to printing and passing out some of these.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> > On 5/14/11, Steven Johnson <blinddog3 at charter.net> wrote:
> >> Let me think on that for a bit. I am thinking that the word public should
> >> be in the title at some point with a direction leaning toward...
> >> Understanding the role of Dog Guides in Public
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >> Of Marion Gwizdala
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:29 PM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >> steve,
> >> Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
> >>
> >> Marion
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >>
> >>> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains the
> >>> *essential information* that the general public needs to know. Any more
> >>> details would be overkill.
> >>>
> >>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
> >>> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >>> Of Marion Gwizdala
> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
> >>> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
> >>> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing List
> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>>
> >>> Dear All,
> >>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> >>> editing
> >>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the
> >>> input
> >>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I
> >>> know
> >>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is
> >>> anything
> >>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also
> >>> like
> >>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
> >>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
> >>> before then!
> >>>
> >>> Peace!
> >>> Marion Gwizdala
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 16
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 21:21:12 -0700
> > From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> > Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [nagdu] my suggestions for the brochure
> > Message-ID:
> > <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAF+UnhLFsChKv02FwKPat2TCgAAAEAAAAJUSvtQjHyJOqENh9DxeHD4BAAAAAA==@michaelhingson.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Attached is a document including my suggestions and changes. My changes are
> > in items 2 and 5.
> >
> > I also included Aaron's suggestions.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> > Mike Hingson
> >
> > The?Michael Hingson Group, INC.
> > ?Speaking?with Vision?
> > Michael Hingson,?President
> > (415) 827-4084
> > info at michaelhingson.com
> > To learn more about my upcoming book, speaking topics and speaking
> > availability please visit www.michaelhingson.com
> > Thunder Dog is now available for early ordering on Amazon!!!
> > http://www.amazon.com/Thunder-Dog-Blind-Triumph-Ground/dp/140020304X/ref=sr_
> > 1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289090352&sr=1-3
> >
> >
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> > http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
> >
> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 17
> > Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 05:47:50 -0400
> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> > Message-ID: <11BB5D04EE904C4CA65BAC49B8AAA145 at marion27df4b2a>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> > reply-type=response
> >
> > Julie,
> > Great suggestion! I will do my best to get that in there, especially
> > because it is one of my pet peeves, too! we have an issue with space, you
> > know. I need to keep it short enough for an 8.5 X 11 tri-fold brochure.
> >
> > Peace!
> > Marion
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 7:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> >> Could something about ID cards not being required as a condition of access
> >> be added?
> >>
> >> Julie
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
> >> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
> >> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
> >> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey" <margo.downey at verizon.net>;
> >> "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina Thomas"
> >> <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
> >> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
> >> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> >> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like
> >> the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog
> >> user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to know if
> >> there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might have
> >> missed! I would also like to know if you have any better suggestions for
> >> the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final copy is Monday,
> >> so please offer your feedback before then!
> >>
> >> Peace!
> >> Marion Gwizdala
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 18
> > Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 07:25:40 -0400
> > From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> > Message-ID: <02d601cc12f2$d256a0e0$6401a8c0 at 8K0FP61>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Hi, Marion,
> >
> > I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
> > transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
> > trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised that you
> > did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has suggested
> > including them either, since so many of our access issues involve taxis and
> > taxi drivers.
> >
> > Otherwise, Very good brochure!
> >
> > Best,
> > Ann
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
> > <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>;
> > "Toni Whaley" <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
> > <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina
> > Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
> > <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
> > Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> > As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am editing
> > our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the input
> > of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I know
> > what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is anything
> > "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also like
> > to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
> > deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
> > before then!
> >
> > Peace!
> > Marion Gwizdala
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 19
> > Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:01:42 -0500
> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [nagdu] access issue resolved!
> > Message-ID: <00fd01cc1311$0086d570$0201a8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Heya all!
> >
> > I was out of town for a business meeting Friday and Saturday. I experienced my first access issue at the hotel and wanted to share.
> >
> > When I checked into the hotel, the lady at the desk asked for Monty's card. I played stupid and asked what card? She insisted that Monty should have a card stating that he is a service dog. I told her that no ID is necessary and it is illegal for her to ask for it. she insisted that the last person that had a service dog in their hotel had a card and told them that every service dog has a card and the person must show it. *sigh*
> >
> > So I explained to her, ever so politely, that she was mistaken, that federal law very clearly does not require any sort of ID for the dog. She mumbled something about the laws must have changed. It was her way of saving face, but I was pissed and having none of it. So I continue with my explaination that the laws regarding service dogs and ID have been the same for the last 21 years. It then occurs to me that I might have copies of these laws buried in my purse. I offer to show her the laws.
> >
> > I think this was the turning point in the conversation. All the sudden she was no longer interested in ID cards or discussions of actual laws. She tried to tell me that she wouldn't need an ID card this time and that she didn't need to see the laws. This made me even more irritated. I wasn't going to leave this mess for the next person to deal with.
> >
> > I didn't have copies of the laws in my purse, but I did have the cards from Sit-Stay that give general information about service dogs and the DOJ toll free phone number. I gave her one of those. She tried to tell me that this card was fine. I told her that no, this is not an ID card, this is informational only and that anyone can purchase these on the internet. She then says that anyone can buy anything on the internet. AARGH! Why did she even want to see any sort of card if she freely admits that anyone can get one off the internet?
> >
> > Anyway that was the end of that. The rest of my hotel stay was uneventful. Later I asked the other guide dog user that was there if he had any problems with the dog when he checked in. Nope, they didn't say a word about the dog. So either I made a dent in their stupidity or the staff had changed at the front desk.
> > This was the first time that I have had any sort of problem with access in regard to my guide dogs. I have had people ask the legal questions before, but this was the first time someone acted inappropriately. It worked out in the end, so that was good.
> >
> > Julie
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 20
> > Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:03:15 -0500
> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> > Message-ID: <010101cc1311$37f581f0$0201a8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=response
> >
> > Marion,
> >
> > Thanks! I don't think it needs to be it's own item, just a sentence or
> > phrase worked in with the part on access denials, I think.
> >
> > thanks for all your hard work!
> > Julie
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> >> Julie,
> >> Great suggestion! I will do my best to get that in there, especially
> >> because it is one of my pet peeves, too! we have an issue with space, you
> >> know. I need to keep it short enough for an 8.5 X 11 tri-fold brochure.
> >>
> >> Peace!
> >> Marion
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 7:27 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >>
> >>> Could something about ID cards not being required as a condition of
> >>> access be added?
> >>>
> >>> Julie
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >>> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
> >>> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
> >>> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
> >>> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey" <margo.downey at verizon.net>;
> >>> "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina Thomas"
> >>> <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
> >>> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear All,
> >>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> >>> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would
> >>> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide
> >>> dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to know
> >>> if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might have
> >>> missed! I would also like to know if you have any better suggestions for
> >>> the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final copy is Monday,
> >>> so please offer your feedback before then!
> >>>
> >>> Peace!
> >>> Marion Gwizdala
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 21
> > Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:22:22 -0500
> > From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] access issue resolved!
> > Message-ID: <26045E59-3369-49B0-BE6C-390D37B40EDA at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> >
> > Julie,
> > aaaaaaaahhhh! I hate being the one coming along after an assistance
> > dog handler who has flashed their ID and who has misinformed the
> > business owner/employee about the law. It is a huge pain in the
> > buttocks.
> > I really need to get some of those cards from sitstay.
> > Thank you for taking the time to educate that lady. Hopefully she got
> > it.
> >
> > Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> > Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> > Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and
> > taste good with ketchup.
> > http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
> > pawpower4me at gmail.com
> > AIM: lillebriss
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 22
> > Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:58:51 -0600
> > From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
> > Would Not Serve Her
> > Message-ID: <auto-000783035001 at fe-4.cluster1.bresnan.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > No not yoet, but I asked what would happen if I chose not to comply and it was stated that may be I wouldn't be working. I took that as a not so suttle threat.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:59 PM
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not Serve Her
> >
> > Have they come to the point saying you no longer can work for them?
> > Stand your ground, and make sure you do obedience daily.
> > Even more than once so your dogs know who the boss is.
> > They will grow up.
> > The dogs that is, people well ahem.
> >
> > Original message:
> >> Marion have a situation at work. People seem to think that our new dogs
> >> aren't behaving the way they think they should and have the right to
> >> try to direct them. Unfortunately they know next to nothing about guide
> >> dogs the training or what a dog is capable of. They think that I need
> >> to comply with there judgment calls. I work very part time and they
> >> seem to think that dictating how I get to work is there concern. I
> >> don't agree since i'm pretty sure I'm not covered by there insurance.
> >> Any suggestions would be helpful.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:17 AM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
> >> Would Not Serve Her
> >
> >> Sheila,
> >> I agree with you. I believe society has expectations of how someone of a
> >> particular class is supposed to act and, when they do not fit into their
> >> stereotype, confuse assertiveness with aggression. this being said, I also
> >> believe it is important to handle such situations calmly, yet assertively
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 23
> > Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:58:48 -0600
> > From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
> > Message-ID: <auto-000783034985 at fe-4.cluster1.bresnan.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Yes, that is great.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Elizabeth Rene <emrene at earthlink.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:43 PM
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
> >
> > Congratulations on winning an NFB scholarship.
> >
> > You do us and our dogs proud.
> >
> > Elizabeth
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > End of nagdu Digest, Vol 74, Issue 15
> > *************************************
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 17:07:03 -0700
> From: "Brittney N. Mejico" <brittneymejico at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
> Message-ID: <5B7C2EADD10248C4A5140A83D57B4D57 at OwnerPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> reply-type=original
>
> That's funny!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie McGinnity
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:15 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
>
> Oh yes, but when I'm the center of attention my little diva dog will
> think she needs some of that attention. That's what I've been calling
> her lately. Of course, many of the things she does on stage that grab
> attention, a blind person would not notice, so maybe you're right. I
> should have explained that better. My dog is a big diva. As you know
> I'm a performance major, and as such, I have to be on stage a lot,
> which means that Brie also comes on stage. She likes to be dramatic
> when I am singing. She roles over, or crosses her paws, or flops her
> head down, all things that don't even phase me, but the sighted
> audience love it. I'm sure some of you can relate. Lol
>
> On 5/15/11, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Julie, I'm thinkin' you are going to be the center of attention. You are
> > getting the scholarship. <Grin>
> >
> > CL
> >
> > On May 15, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Julie McGinnity wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks guys! You are all awesome, and this list is great!
> >>
> >> Brie and I can't wait to go to convention! She just loves to be the
> >> center of attention. Lol I hope to see many of you there.
> >>
> >> On 5/15/11, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
> >>> Yes, that is great.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Elizabeth Rene <emrene at earthlink.net>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:43 PM
> >>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
> >>>
> >>> Congratulations on winning an NFB scholarship.
> >>>
> >>> You do us and our dogs proud.
> >>>
> >>> Elizabeth
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Julie McG
> >> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
> >> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> >> Eyes for the Blind
> >>
> >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> >> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> >> life."
> >> John 3:16
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
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>
>
> --
> Julie McG
> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> Eyes for the Blind
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> life."
> John 3:16
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 20:58:18 -0700
> From: Mardi Hadfield <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] your critique invited!
> Message-ID: <BANLkTikReCk1-P1puNjuFE_YvjCMKWUD7g at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi Marion, it sounds great but when you get to the part about interference,
> rather than use the word "gear", I think you need to spell it all out and
> say, you should never touch a guide dog,it's leash,or any part of it's
> harness. I constantly have people trying to pull the leash and pulling on
> the harness handle.They are usually pulling in the opposite direction than I
> am trying to go. I have told them not to touch the "gear" and they say to
> me, the what? I have to use the word harness as they don't know what gear
> means. Stupid people! They think gear like on a car transmission. LOL!
> Mardi and Shaman and Nala,retired.
>
> --
> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 21:00:48 -0700
> From: Mardi Hadfield <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] way to go Julie!
> Message-ID: <BANLkTinh-UUL38MijLXAM=HYbHNtN-n9GA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Congratulations Julie! Have a great day, Mardi and Shaman and
> Nala,retired.
>
> --
> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:22:27 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> Message-ID: <auto-000278364435 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Yes, cabs can be difficult. We got a very rude driver that was actually swearing about our dogs. I began working on filing a cpmplaint but within two weeks that driver was gone.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chasity Jackson <chasityvanda at charter.net>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:04 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>
> This is a bit off topic in regard to the brochure itself. But I agree Anne
> with a lot of our issues being with taxi cabs. On Thursday, on my way home
> from the store, the operator who answered at the cab company said, "It
> states when you call that you are visually impaired. You don't have a dog or
> anything like that with you do you?" First of all, what does anything like
> that with you mean? A service chicken or a service cow? LOL. I didn't answer
> his question with a yes or no. Instead, I simply told him that question was
> unnecessary and there was no need to ask. He said, "I apologize. But some
> cab drivers don't like dogs in their cabs." I told him that federal law
> doesn't go by whether or not a driver likes dogs in his or her cab. He then
> quickly apologized and didn't even give it a second thought. I was curious
> as to whether my response implied that I was accompanied by a dog. I was
> curious as to whether or not he just decided to note that I had a dog
> anyway, because of how I responded. So I called back in about 10 minutes
> later to check on the status of my cab, as they advise you to do, and asked
> what was all noted when my number came up. To my surprise, he did not note
> anything about a service dog. I have found, with this cab company in
> particular, that when some drivers realize I have a dog, they call into the
> company and try to have it noted on my file when my number comes up. When I
> call in to order a cab, they even say it. It shows here you have a dog, is
> this correct? And I say no so they remove it. LOL.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>
>
> > Ann,
> > I did include taxicabs in the sentence just before the one you cited.
> >
> > Marion
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> >> Hi, Marion,
> >>
> >> I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
> >> transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
> >> trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised that
> >> you did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has suggested
> >> including them either, since so many of our access issues involve taxis
> >> and taxi drivers.
> >>
> >> Otherwise, Very good brochure!
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Ann
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
> >> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
> >> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
> >> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey" <margo.downey at verizon.net>;
> >> "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina Thomas"
> >> <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
> >> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
> >> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> >> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would
> >> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide
> >> dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to know
> >> if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might have
> >> missed! I would also like to know if you have any better suggestions for
> >> the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final copy is Monday,
> >> so please offer your feedback before then!
> >>
> >> Peace!
> >> Marion Gwizdala
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:22:55 -0400
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Taxicabs
> Message-ID: <E3298530E52447D3B1484F0E3266277D at marion27df4b2a>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> reply-type=response
>
> Chassidy,
> It is a good idea to call back in five or ten minutes to inquire about
> the status of the cab. Generally, if one has been dispatched, they will tell
> you the cab number. If the cab shows up and either does not pick you up
> because of the dog or otherwise denies you access, you have the cab number
> that was dispatched.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>
>
> > This is a bit off topic in regard to the brochure itself. But I agree Anne
> > with a lot of our issues being with taxi cabs. On Thursday, on my way home
> > from the store, the operator who answered at the cab company said, "It
> > states when you call that you are visually impaired. You don't have a dog
> > or anything like that with you do you?" First of all, what does anything
> > like that with you mean? A service chicken or a service cow? LOL. I didn't
> > answer his question with a yes or no. Instead, I simply told him that
> > question was unnecessary and there was no need to ask. He said, "I
> > apologize. But some cab drivers don't like dogs in their cabs." I told him
> > that federal law doesn't go by whether or not a driver likes dogs in his
> > or her cab. He then quickly apologized and didn't even give it a second
> > thought. I was curious as to whether my response implied that I was
> > accompanied by a dog. I was curious as to whether or not he just decided
> > to note that I had a dog anyway, because of how I responded. So I called
> > back in about 10 minutes later to check on the status of my cab, as they
> > advise you to do, and asked what was all noted when my number came up. To
> > my surprise, he did not note anything about a service dog. I have found,
> > with this cab company in particular, that when some drivers realize I have
> > a dog, they call into the company and try to have it noted on my file when
> > my number comes up. When I call in to order a cab, they even say it. It
> > shows here you have a dog, is this correct? And I say no so they remove
> > it. LOL.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 3:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> >> Ann,
> >> I did include taxicabs in the sentence just before the one you cited.
> >>
> >> Marion
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:25 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi, Marion,
> >>>
> >>> I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
> >>> transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
> >>> trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised that
> >>> you did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has suggested
> >>> including them either, since so many of our access issues involve taxis
> >>> and taxi drivers.
> >>>
> >>> Otherwise, Very good brochure!
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Ann
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >>> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
> >>> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
> >>> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
> >>> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
> >>> <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina
> >>> Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
> >>> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear All,
> >>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> >>> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would
> >>> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a
> >>> guide dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to
> >>> know if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might
> >>> have missed! I would also like to know if you have any better
> >>> suggestions for the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final
> >>> copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback before then!
> >>>
> >>> Peace!
> >>> Marion Gwizdala
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:33:01 -0400
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] your critique invited!
> Message-ID: <9B1047B02E6445D9B65DD145184849AB at marion27df4b2a>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> reply-type=original
>
> good suggestion! I am submitting the final draft today and will send it to
> the list when I do.
>
> Marion
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mardi Hadfield" <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] your critique invited!
>
>
> > Hi Marion, it sounds great but when you get to the part about
> > interference,
> > rather than use the word "gear", I think you need to spell it all out and
> > say, you should never touch a guide dog,it's leash,or any part of it's
> > harness. I constantly have people trying to pull the leash and pulling on
> > the harness handle.They are usually pulling in the opposite direction than
> > I
> > am trying to go. I have told them not to touch the "gear" and they say to
> > me, the what? I have to use the word harness as they don't know what gear
> > means. Stupid people! They think gear like on a car transmission. LOL!
> > Mardi and Shaman and Nala,retired.
> >
> > --
> > http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
> > http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 11:17:07 -0500
> From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo at yahoo.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxicabs
> Message-ID: <013b01cc13e4$ba05df40$2e119dc0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I had a problem several years ago with the cab company, one driver in
> particular. He picked me up but he made it pretty clear he didn't want the
> dog in the cab. He dropped me off at the wrong address, and when I called
> the cab company to complain, they told me I needed to tell them I had a
> guide dog, because the cab drivers lease their cabs with this particular
> company, and they had the right to not want them in their cabs. I didn't
> know any better regarding laws, so I just told them I had one. Most of the
> drivers were cool with it, but this one guy was a total jerk about the whole
> thing.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marion Gwizdala
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:23 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] Taxicabs
>
> Chassidy,
> It is a good idea to call back in five or ten minutes to inquire about
> the status of the cab. Generally, if one has been dispatched, they will tell
>
> you the cab number. If the cab shows up and either does not pick you up
> because of the dog or otherwise denies you access, you have the cab number
> that was dispatched.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>
>
> > This is a bit off topic in regard to the brochure itself. But I agree Anne
>
> > with a lot of our issues being with taxi cabs. On Thursday, on my way home
>
> > from the store, the operator who answered at the cab company said, "It
> > states when you call that you are visually impaired. You don't have a dog
> > or anything like that with you do you?" First of all, what does anything
> > like that with you mean? A service chicken or a service cow? LOL. I didn't
>
> > answer his question with a yes or no. Instead, I simply told him that
> > question was unnecessary and there was no need to ask. He said, "I
> > apologize. But some cab drivers don't like dogs in their cabs." I told him
>
> > that federal law doesn't go by whether or not a driver likes dogs in his
> > or her cab. He then quickly apologized and didn't even give it a second
> > thought. I was curious as to whether my response implied that I was
> > accompanied by a dog. I was curious as to whether or not he just decided
> > to note that I had a dog anyway, because of how I responded. So I called
> > back in about 10 minutes later to check on the status of my cab, as they
> > advise you to do, and asked what was all noted when my number came up. To
> > my surprise, he did not note anything about a service dog. I have found,
> > with this cab company in particular, that when some drivers realize I have
>
> > a dog, they call into the company and try to have it noted on my file when
>
> > my number comes up. When I call in to order a cab, they even say it. It
> > shows here you have a dog, is this correct? And I say no so they remove
> > it. LOL.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 3:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> >> Ann,
> >> I did include taxicabs in the sentence just before the one you cited.
> >>
> >> Marion
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:25 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi, Marion,
> >>>
> >>> I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
> >>> transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
> >>> trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised that
>
> >>> you did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has suggested
>
> >>> including them either, since so many of our access issues involve taxis
> >>> and taxi drivers.
> >>>
> >>> Otherwise, Very good brochure!
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Ann
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >>> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
> >>> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
> >>> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
> >>> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
> >>> <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina
> >>> Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
> >>> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear All,
> >>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> >>> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would
> >>> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a
> >>> guide dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to
>
> >>> know if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might
> >>> have missed! I would also like to know if you have any better
> >>> suggestions for the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final
>
> >>> copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback before then!
> >>>
> >>> Peace!
> >>> Marion Gwizdala
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> >>>
> >>>
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> Message: 28
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 11:28:10 -0500
> From: Wayne Merritt <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxicabs
> Message-ID: <BANLkTin6++UD-2tKz18==cHfwHN9Ucn+nw at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Also, while knowing the cab's number is good, many cab companies
> automatically log each cab that is dispatched. So if you ever do have
> a problem, if you call back the same day, you can give them the time
> you called initially and ask them to look up the cab number. I would
> only use this technique if it were later in the same day as the issue
> or perhaps the day after. Any longer than that, you might run against
> the situation of the cab company clearing out their logs. I don't know
> how long they keep logs though.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 5/16/11, Terra Syslo <tlsyslo at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I had a problem several years ago with the cab company, one driver in
> > particular. He picked me up but he made it pretty clear he didn't want the
> > dog in the cab. He dropped me off at the wrong address, and when I called
> > the cab company to complain, they told me I needed to tell them I had a
> > guide dog, because the cab drivers lease their cabs with this particular
> > company, and they had the right to not want them in their cabs. I didn't
> > know any better regarding laws, so I just told them I had one. Most of the
> > drivers were cool with it, but this one guy was a total jerk about the whole
> > thing.
> >
> > Check out my groups: blindshoppers-subscribe at yahoogroups.com and
> > blindrecipeexchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
> > Email, Facebook and Windows Messenger: tlsyslo at yahoo.com
> > twitter: tlsyslo
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Marion Gwizdala
> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:23 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: [nagdu] Taxicabs
> >
> > Chassidy,
> > It is a good idea to call back in five or ten minutes to inquire about
> > the status of the cab. Generally, if one has been dispatched, they will tell
> >
> > you the cab number. If the cab shows up and either does not pick you up
> > because of the dog or otherwise denies you access, you have the cab number
> > that was dispatched.
> >
> > Fraternally yours,
> > Marion
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 6:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> >> This is a bit off topic in regard to the brochure itself. But I agree Anne
> >
> >> with a lot of our issues being with taxi cabs. On Thursday, on my way home
> >
> >> from the store, the operator who answered at the cab company said, "It
> >> states when you call that you are visually impaired. You don't have a dog
> >> or anything like that with you do you?" First of all, what does anything
> >> like that with you mean? A service chicken or a service cow? LOL. I didn't
> >
> >> answer his question with a yes or no. Instead, I simply told him that
> >> question was unnecessary and there was no need to ask. He said, "I
> >> apologize. But some cab drivers don't like dogs in their cabs." I told him
> >
> >> that federal law doesn't go by whether or not a driver likes dogs in his
> >> or her cab. He then quickly apologized and didn't even give it a second
> >> thought. I was curious as to whether my response implied that I was
> >> accompanied by a dog. I was curious as to whether or not he just decided
> >> to note that I had a dog anyway, because of how I responded. So I called
> >> back in about 10 minutes later to check on the status of my cab, as they
> >> advise you to do, and asked what was all noted when my number came up. To
> >> my surprise, he did not note anything about a service dog. I have found,
> >> with this cab company in particular, that when some drivers realize I have
> >
> >> a dog, they call into the company and try to have it noted on my file when
> >
> >> my number comes up. When I call in to order a cab, they even say it. It
> >> shows here you have a dog, is this correct? And I say no so they remove
> >> it. LOL.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 3:55 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >>
> >>> Ann,
> >>> I did include taxicabs in the sentence just before the one you cited.
> >>>
> >>> Marion
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
> >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:25 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi, Marion,
> >>>>
> >>>> I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
> >>>> transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
> >>>> trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised that
> >
> >>>> you did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has suggested
> >
> >>>> including them either, since so many of our access issues involve taxis
> >>>> and taxi drivers.
> >>>>
> >>>> Otherwise, Very good brochure!
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Ann
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >>>> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
> >>>> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
> >>>> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
> >>>> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
> >>>> <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina
> >>>> Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
> >>>> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
> >>>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear All,
> >>>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> >>>> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would
> >>>> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a
> >>>> guide dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to
> >
> >>>> know if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might
> >>>> have missed! I would also like to know if you have any better
> >>>> suggestions for the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final
> >
> >>>> copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback before then!
> >>>>
> >>>> Peace!
> >>>> Marion Gwizdala
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>>
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> Message: 29
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:53:42 -0400
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxicabs
> Message-ID: <83DB4CCA38F44D54944B5E18DBC71D7F at marion27df4b2a>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> reply-type=original
>
> Terra,
> The assertion that the company is not responsible for the actions of
> their drivers is contradicted by United States v. Yellow cab of Broward
> County. In this decision, the company was ordered to pay punitive &
> compensatory damages of about $12,500 for denying access to a blind person
> accompanied by a service animal, despite the fact that the driver was an
> independent contractor who leased the vehicle.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo at yahoo.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxicabs
>
>
> >I had a problem several years ago with the cab company, one driver in
> > particular. He picked me up but he made it pretty clear he didn't want the
> > dog in the cab. He dropped me off at the wrong address, and when I called
> > the cab company to complain, they told me I needed to tell them I had a
> > guide dog, because the cab drivers lease their cabs with this particular
> > company, and they had the right to not want them in their cabs. I didn't
> > know any better regarding laws, so I just told them I had one. Most of the
> > drivers were cool with it, but this one guy was a total jerk about the
> > whole
> > thing.
> >
> > Check out my groups: blindshoppers-subscribe at yahoogroups.com and
> > blindrecipeexchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
> > Email, Facebook and Windows Messenger: tlsyslo at yahoo.com
> > twitter: tlsyslo
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Marion Gwizdala
> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:23 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: [nagdu] Taxicabs
> >
> > Chassidy,
> > It is a good idea to call back in five or ten minutes to inquire about
> > the status of the cab. Generally, if one has been dispatched, they will
> > tell
> >
> > you the cab number. If the cab shows up and either does not pick you up
> > because of the dog or otherwise denies you access, you have the cab number
> > that was dispatched.
> >
> > Fraternally yours,
> > Marion
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 6:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >
> >
> >> This is a bit off topic in regard to the brochure itself. But I agree
> >> Anne
> >
> >> with a lot of our issues being with taxi cabs. On Thursday, on my way
> >> home
> >
> >> from the store, the operator who answered at the cab company said, "It
> >> states when you call that you are visually impaired. You don't have a dog
> >> or anything like that with you do you?" First of all, what does anything
> >> like that with you mean? A service chicken or a service cow? LOL. I
> >> didn't
> >
> >> answer his question with a yes or no. Instead, I simply told him that
> >> question was unnecessary and there was no need to ask. He said, "I
> >> apologize. But some cab drivers don't like dogs in their cabs." I told
> >> him
> >
> >> that federal law doesn't go by whether or not a driver likes dogs in his
> >> or her cab. He then quickly apologized and didn't even give it a second
> >> thought. I was curious as to whether my response implied that I was
> >> accompanied by a dog. I was curious as to whether or not he just decided
> >> to note that I had a dog anyway, because of how I responded. So I called
> >> back in about 10 minutes later to check on the status of my cab, as they
> >> advise you to do, and asked what was all noted when my number came up. To
> >> my surprise, he did not note anything about a service dog. I have found,
> >> with this cab company in particular, that when some drivers realize I
> >> have
> >
> >> a dog, they call into the company and try to have it noted on my file
> >> when
> >
> >> my number comes up. When I call in to order a cab, they even say it. It
> >> shows here you have a dog, is this correct? And I say no so they remove
> >> it. LOL.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 3:55 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>
> >>
> >>> Ann,
> >>> I did include taxicabs in the sentence just before the one you cited.
> >>>
> >>> Marion
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
> >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:25 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi, Marion,
> >>>>
> >>>> I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
> >>>> transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
> >>>> trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised
> >>>> that
> >
> >>>> you did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has
> >>>> suggested
> >
> >>>> including them either, since so many of our access issues involve taxis
> >>>> and taxi drivers.
> >>>>
> >>>> Otherwise, Very good brochure!
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Ann
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >>>> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
> >>>> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
> >>>> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
> >>>> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
> >>>> <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina
> >>>> Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
> >>>> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
> >>>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear All,
> >>>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
> >>>> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would
> >>>> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a
> >>>> guide dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like
> >>>> to
> >
> >>>> know if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might
> >>>> have missed! I would also like to know if you have any better
> >>>> suggestions for the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the
> >>>> final
> >
> >>>> copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback before then!
> >>>>
> >>>> Peace!
> >>>> Marion Gwizdala
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----
> >>>>
> >>>>
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