[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 74, Issue 16

Julie J julielj at neb.rr.com
Tue May 17 21:13:34 UTC 2011


Holly,

Welcome! I'm glad you are enjoying the list.  Anyone is welcome to join. 
this is a public list.

Julie
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "holly mcknight" <hollyandpolly at hotmail.com>
To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 74, Issue 16


>
> Hello all, I am really having lots of fun reading this list.  It is great 
> to see how supportive of each other people who use dogs guides are.  Glad 
> to know that other disabilities are brought up and that dogs can really be 
> a help to all.  I am considering starting a chapter of Allumni of Guide 
> Dogs for the Blind graduates in Texas, however teams from other school are 
> welcome.n  Feel free to contact me if you have questions or comments. 
> hollyandpolly at hotmail.com  I am also always happy to see when access 
> issues are resolved in favor of working teams.  I do have a question 
> though, are puppy raisers welcome to join this list?  The Lone Star Puppy 
> Club members are very much in favor of being a part of all aspects of the 
> Guide Dog life style that they are able to.  Thanks, and hope all have a 
> good week. Holly and Pollyann
>
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>> 1. Re: Your critique Invited! (Aaron Cannon)
>> 2. board meeting (Tina Thomas)
>> 3. Re: board meeting (Margo and Arrow)
>> 4. Fwd: [blindkid] NPR: Service Dogs Teach Educators about
>> Disabilities (Aaron Cannon)
>> 5. Re: board meeting (Michael Hingson)
>> 6. Re: Your critique Invited! (Sheila Leigland)
>> 7. Re: Your critique Invited! (Michael Hingson)
>> 8. Re: Your critique Invited! (d m gina)
>> 9. Re: Your critique Invited! (Ann Edie)
>> 10. Re: Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not
>> Serve Her (d m gina)
>> 11. Re: access issue resolved! (Tamara Smith-Kinney)
>> 12. Re: Your critique Invited! (Marion Gwizdala)
>> 13. Re: Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown EateryWould Not
>> Serve Her (Tamara Smith-Kinney)
>> 14. Re: board meeting (Marion Gwizdala)
>> 15. Re: access issue resolved! (Chasity Jackson)
>> 16. Re: Your critique Invited! (Chasity Jackson)
>> 17. Re: Way to go, Julie! (Julie McGinnity)
>> 18. Re: Way to go, Julie! (Cindy Ray)
>> 19. Re: Way to go, Julie! (Julie McGinnity)
>> 20. Re: nagdu Digest, Vol 74, Issue 15 (Holly Mcknight)
>> 21. Re: Way to go, Julie! (Brittney N. Mejico)
>> 22. Re: your critique invited! (Mardi Hadfield)
>> 23. Re: way to go Julie! (Mardi Hadfield)
>> 24. Re: Your critique Invited! (Sheila Leigland)
>> 25. Taxicabs (Marion Gwizdala)
>> 26. Re: your critique invited! (Marion Gwizdala)
>> 27. Re: Taxicabs (Terra Syslo)
>> 28. Re: Taxicabs (Wayne Merritt)
>> 29. Re: Taxicabs (Marion Gwizdala)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:41:52 -0500
>> From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=8aP00OMs3vBd7pDpPpVuQHLvunw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Hi Ann.
>>
>> Taxicabs are mentioned in item 1.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>> On 5/15/11, Ann Edie <annedie at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>> > Hi, Marion,
>> >
>> > I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
>> > transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
>> > trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised that 
>> > you
>> > did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has suggested
>> > including them either, since so many of our access issues involve taxis 
>> > and
>> > taxi drivers.
>> >
>> > Otherwise, Very good brochure!
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Ann
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> > <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien" 
>> > <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>;
>> > "Toni Whaley" <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
>> > <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina
>> > Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
>> > <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
>> > Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear All,
>> > As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am 
>> > editing
>> > our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the 
>> > input
>> > of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I 
>> > know
>> > what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is 
>> > anything
>> > "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also 
>> > like
>> > to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. 
>> > My
>> > deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your 
>> > feedback
>> > before then!
>> >
>> > Peace!
>> > Marion Gwizdala
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:50:06 -0700
>> From: "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] board meeting
>> Message-ID: <00d901cc1328$8743aa40$95cafec0$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Is there a board meeting today?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tina
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:53:06 -0400
>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] board meeting
>> Message-ID: <F5894715B39343039872B07D915EA096 at meandmyarrow>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> the Board meeting is next week--May 22 at 8.
>>
>> Margo and Arrow
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 1:50 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] board meeting
>>
>>
>> > Is there a board meeting today?
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Tina
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:35:17 -0500
>> From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Fwd: [blindkid] NPR: Service Dogs Teach Educators
>> about Disabilities
>> Message-ID: <BANLkTim-w9VSLH0bUkqeZ_CRabfOg0oWug at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Lenora J. Marten" <bluegolfshoes at aol.com>
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 08:55:14 -0400
>> Subject: [blindkid] NPR: Service Dogs Teach Educators about Disabilities
>> To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Service Dogs Teach Educators About Disabilities
>>
>> by LARRY ABRAMSON
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Listen to the Story
>> Weekend Edition Saturday
>> [5 min 44 sec]
>>
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>> Download
>> Transcript
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>> May 14, 2011
>> Many disabled people say that life without their service animals is
>> unthinkable. And while public institutions are required to admit
>> service animals without question, some public schools claim they
>> cannot handle the disruption of a dog in a busy classroom.
>> Disabled students are hoping new federal guidelines will help them
>> avoid legal battles over their animals.
>>
>>
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>> Larry Abramson/NPR
>> Nathan Selove relies on his service dog, Sylvia, to help him deal with
>> meltdowns and other issues related to Asperger's syndrome.
>>
>> Nathan And Sylvia
>>
>> Everyone at Sherando High School in Virginia knows Nathan Selove: He's
>> the kid with the dog.
>> "Actually," he says, "she's the only dog in the Frederick County
>> public school system, so far."
>> Sylvia is a sweet-tempered yellow Lab who accompanies Nathan to school
>> every day. She wears a green vest that proclaims: "Don't pet me, I'm
>> working."
>> Nathan used to be a target of bullying, but is less so now, he says.
>> He strolls down the hallways, leash in hand, looking relaxed,
>> sunglasses propped above his forehead. You would hardly know he has
>> Asperger's syndrome, or that he sometimes has terrifying meltdowns in
>> class. That's why Sylvia is here.
>> "And when I feel the need to pet her," he says, "I just sort of lean
>> down and pet her. And sometimes, like when I get really stressed out ?
>> which doesn't actually happen that often anymore ? she'll get on my
>> lap."
>> In history class, Nathan sits down, and Sylvia grabs a spot under his
>> desk and chills. In a room full of high school sophomores, she is the
>> calmest mammal there.
>> History teacher Doreen Pauley says Sylvia is just part of the class
>> now. "If he needs her, she's there; if he doesn't, she's just quiet.
>> She's a good dog."
>> The blind don't usually get a guide dog until they are adults, so the
>> service animals that schools see are focused on other conditions, like
>> autism ? a growing number of autistic children are paired with service
>> animals.
>> The Frederick County school system was initially hesitant when
>> Nathan's parents decided that he would benefit from having a service
>> dog in middle school. But now, Sylvia even rides the bus to school
>> with Nathan.
>> A Dispute In California
>>
>> Not every parent has gotten the same reception. Attorney Kathleen
>> Mehfoud represents a number of Virginia school districts and says many
>> schools worry they may violate the rights of other students by
>> admitting a service dog.
>> "For example, there are a number of students and staff who may be
>> allergic to dogs," she says.
>> Disability rights groups say allergies and other issues can easily be
>> dealt with. They pushed the U.S. Justice Department to issue new rules
>> this spring clarifying that the Americans with Disabilities Act does
>> apply to schools.
>>
>>
>> His behaviors are really more calm at home, or when we're out with
>> [his service dog] Eddy. I don't know what's going on at school that's
>> really increasing these aggressive behaviors.
>>
>>
>> - Milka Ciriacks, whose son Caleb is severely autistic
>>
>> But some districts still question why dogs are necessary, especially
>> for students who already get intensive special ed services.
>> In Orange County, Calif., Milka Ciriacks has been fighting to have
>> Eddy the service dog accompany her 6-year-old son, Caleb, to school.
>> Caleb is severely autistic and used to run away all the time.
>> "It didn't really make sense to me until we had the episode where
>> Caleb took off," she says. "And that was like the big red flag that
>> like, we need something else."
>> For the past year, the Cypress School District has refused to allow
>> Eddy into the school, so Ciriacks has turned to federal court. The
>> district would not talk on tape, but in court filings, officials argue
>> that Caleb is making good progress without a dog.
>> The district worries that being tied to an animal will reduce his
>> independence. But Ciriacks says that without Eddy, her son is having
>> outbursts in school.
>> "His behaviors are really more calm at home, or when we're out with
>> Eddy," she says. "I don't know what's going on at school that's really
>> increasing these aggressive behaviors."
>> New Rules Offer Hope
>>
>> The new federal regulations are meant to stop these cases from going
>> to court. The rules tell schools they must admit legitimate service
>> dogs. But they also say that schools do not have to allow the wide
>> variety of "therapy animals," who are not trained, and primarily
>> provide companionship and comfort.
>> Schools attorney Mehfoud says it's about time. "We have dealt with
>> requests for service snakes and service monkeys in the past," she
>> says.
>> The new rules make it clear that trained dogs are pretty much the only
>> animals who qualify.
>> Home at last after working all day, Sylvia sheds her service vest and
>> becomes a house pet for a little while.
>> She gets to run around on the Selove family's 11-acre property. The
>> family home is a bit of service dog heaven. Ramon Selove, Nathan's
>> father, also has Asperger's syndrome and takes his dog, Cori, to his
>> job as a college professor. But he has this caution: Service dogs are
>> a lot of work.
>> Training can cost tens of thousands of dollars and involves weeks of
>> classroom work that can be challenging for kids like Nathan. But
>> Selove says his son was so motivated by the chance to have this dog
>> that "he was willing to do things he wouldn't have been willing to do
>> otherwise."
>> Sylvia may well be Nathan's best friend. Many other disabled
>> schoolchildren now also have the U.S. Justice Department as their
>> buddy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:02:34 -0700
>> From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] board meeting
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>> That's 8 Eastern time, of course.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Margo and Arrow
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:53 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] board meeting
>>
>> the Board meeting is next week--May 22 at 8.
>>
>> Margo and Arrow
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 1:50 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] board meeting
>>
>>
>> > Is there a board meeting today?
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Tina
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:52:43 -0600
>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> Message-ID: <auto-000278184208 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> That's what I thought but didn't remember where it was listed.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:41 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>
>> Hi Ann.
>>
>> Taxicabs are mentioned in item 1.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>> On 5/15/11, Ann Edie <annedie at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>> > Hi, Marion,
>> >
>> > I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
>> > transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
>> > trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised that 
>> > you
>> > did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has suggested
>> > including them either, since so many of our access issues involve taxis 
>> > and
>> > taxi drivers.
>> >
>> > Otherwise, Very good brochure!
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Ann
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> > <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien" 
>> > <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>;
>> > "Toni Whaley" <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
>> > <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina
>> > Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
>> > <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
>> > Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear All,
>> > As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am 
>> > editing
>> > our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the 
>> > input
>> > of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I 
>> > know
>> > what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is 
>> > anything
>> > "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also 
>> > like
>> > to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. 
>> > My
>> > deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your 
>> > feedback
>> > before then!
>> >
>> > Peace!
>> > Marion Gwizdala
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:11:41 -0700
>> From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> Message-ID:
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> With the suggestions made thus far and incorporated in proposed revisions 
>> I
>> think this has been addressed.
>>
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>> (415) 827-4084
>> info at michaelhingson.com
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>> availability please visit www.michaelhingson.com
>> Thunder Dog is now available for early ordering on Amazon!!!
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Julie J
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:03 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>
>> Marion,
>>
>> Thanks! I don't think it needs to be it's own item, just a sentence or
>> phrase worked in with the part on access denials, I think.
>>
>> thanks for all your hard work!
>> Julie
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>
>>
>> > Julie,
>> > Great suggestion! I will do my best to get that in there, especially
>> > because it is one of my pet peeves, too! we have an issue with space, 
>> > you
>> > know. I need to keep it short enough for an 8.5 X 11 tri-fold brochure.
>> >
>> > Peace!
>> > Marion
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 7:27 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> >> Could something about ID cards not being required as a condition of
>> >> access be added?
>> >>
>> >> Julie
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> >> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> >> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
>> >> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
>> >> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey" 
>> >> <margo.downey at verizon.net>;
>>
>> >> "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina Thomas"
>> >> <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
>> >> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> >> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear All,
>> >> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> >> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would
>> >> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a 
>> >> guide
>>
>> >> dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to 
>> >> know
>> >> if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might have
>> >> missed! I would also like to know if you have any better suggestions 
>> >> for
>> >> the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final copy is 
>> >> Monday,
>> >> so please offer your feedback before then!
>> >>
>> >> Peace!
>> >> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:20:03 -0400
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> Message-ID: <20110515202003.24616.43205 at ip-10-203-66-216.ec2.internal>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format="flowed"
>>
>> Sheila, one time a guy being polite here was doing just the same thing
>> whistling.
>> I turned and said "how sad this is the only art you know."
>> I thought you were smarter than that just whistling.
>> He got so embarrassed the manager said he ran out of the store.
>> This was a wall mart thing.
>>
>> Original message:
>> > Very interesting good points that is for sure. Yesterday I had to tell
>> > someone not to whistle at my dogs.
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:45 PM
>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>
>> > Hi.
>>
>> > Here are my edits. You can pick and choose as you like. I would,
>> > however, be interested in seeing an updated version, if you do in fact
>> > incorporate any of these changes into the document.
>>
>>
>> > Original:
>> > When you see a guide dog at work you are watching a team with each
>> > partner contributing to the team effort. As the head of the team, the
>> > blind person?s role is to maintain control of the guide dog and to
>> > direct the guide dog to where the handler wants to go. The blind
>> > person does this by giving the dog directional commands, such as
>> > ?Forward?, ?Left?, and ?Right?, which are sometimes accompanied by
>> > hand commands. The guide dog?s role in this partnership is to obey
>> > these commands, except when to do so would place the team in danger.
>>
>> > My Version:
>> > When you see a guide dog at work, you are watching a team, with each
>> > partner contributing to the team effort. As the head of the team, the
>> > blind person?s role is to maintain control of the guide dog and to
>> > direct the guide dog to where the handler wants to go. The blind
>> > person does this by giving the dog directional commands, such as
>> > ?Forward?, ?Left?, and ?Right?, which are sometimes accompanied by
>> > hand jestures. The guide dog?s role in this partnership is to obey
>> > these commands, except when to do so would place the team in danger.
>> > For example, if a handler were to ask his guide dog to go forward when
>> > there was a sudden drop-off directly ahead, the guide dog would refuse
>> > to obey.
>>
>>
>> > original:
>> > 1. It is a violation of state & federal laws to deny access to a
>> > disabled person accompanied by a service animal. This includes stores,
>> > restaurants, taxicabs,
>> > parks, health care facilities, zoos, or any other place the general
>> > public is admitted. The law prohibits public carriers such as buses,
>> > trains, or planes
>> > from refusing to serve a disabled individual accompanied by a service
>> > animal. Furthermore, a disabled person accompanied by a service animal
>> > has the same
>> > rights as other passengers to choose where they sit on such carriers
>> > where no other legally established seating requirements exists.
>>
>> > my version:
>> > 1. It is a violation of both state & federal law to segrigate or deny
>> > access to a disabled person accompanied by a service animal. These
>> > laws apply to stores, restaurants, taxicabs, parks, health care
>> > facilities, zoos, and any other place the general public is admitted.
>> > The law also prohibits public carriers such as buses, trains, or
>> > planes from refusing to serve a disabled individual accompanied by a
>> > service animal. Furthermore, a disabled person accompanied by a
>> > service animal has the same rights as other passengers to choose where
>> > they sit on such carriers where no other legally established seating
>> > requirements exist.
>>
>> > Original:
>> > 2. When you meet a guide dog or other service animal in public, it is
>> > working. It is important that others do not interfere with the dog?s
>> > work; therefore,
>> > Never touch a guide dog nor its gear, never call a guide dog by name
>> > or speak to it, and do not intentionally make noises to distract the
>> > dog.
>>
>> > My version:
>> > 2. When you meet a guide dog or other service animal in public, it is
>> > working. It is important that no one interfere with the dog?s work;
>> > therefore, you should never touch a guide dog nor its gear, never call
>> > or speak to a guide dog, and never intentionally do anything for the
>> > purpose of distracting or getting the dogs attention.
>>
>> > Original:
>> > 3. Never feed a service dog,? since feeding it may make working the
>> > dog ?? difficult in places where food is present, such as in
>> > restaurants and grocery
>> > stores.
>>
>> > My version:
>> > 3. Never feed a service dog,? since feeding it may make working the
>> > dog ?? difficult in places where food is present, such as in
>> > restaurants and grocery stores. ?In addition, many dogs can be quite
>> > sensative to certain types of foods, so there is a very real
>> > possibility that you may make the dog ill and unable to work.
>>
>> > Original:
>> > 6. When giving directions to a blind person, speak to the person. Do
>> > not call the dog or try to get it to follow you. Guide dog users
>> > sometimes use a ?Follow?
>> > command but the blind person will give it. Also, let the blind person
>> > know about turns to be made so the blind person can give the proper
>> > direction to
>> > the dog.
>>
>>
>> > My version:
>> > 6. When giving directions to a blind person, speak to the person. Do
>> > not call the dog or try to get it to follow you. Guide dog users
>> > sometimes use a ?Follow? command, but the blind person is the one who
>> > will give this command. Whether the blind person follows you or you
>> > simply tell the blind person where to go, it is important to give
>> > specific directions such as "left" and "right", rather than "over
>> > there" or "thataway".
>>
>>
>> > My version:
>> > ??????7. Consistent discipline is key to a successful guide dog team.
>> > Ordinarily, verbal admonitions are used to maintain control. If this
>> > fails it may become necessary for the blind person to use a firm tug
>> > on the leash. This does not hurt the dog; it simply brings the dog's
>> > attention back to its job.
>>
>> > Original:
>> > You see more blind people on the streets today, not because there are
>> > more of us, but because we have learned to make our own way in the
>> > world. A major
>> > factor in this progress is the National Federation of the Blind, the
>> > oldest & largest organization of the blind. We are blind people
>> > speaking for ourselves
>> > and acting for ourselves, working as equal partners with our sighted 
>> > neighbors.
>>
>> > My version:
>> > You may have noticed more blind people on the streets today, not
>> > because there are more of us, but because we have learned to make our
>> > own way in the world. A major
>> > factor in this progress has been the National Federation of the Blind,
>> > the oldest & largest organization of the blind. We are blind people
>> > speaking for ourselves
>> > and acting for ourselves, working as equal partners with our sighted 
>> > neighbors.
>>
>> > Original:
>> > If you found this information interesting, perhaps you know others who
>> > would, as well! Please feel free to pass this on!
>>
>>
>> > My version:
>> > If you found this information interesting or helpful, perhaps you know
>> > others who would, as well! Please feel free to pass this on!
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hope this helps.
>>
>> > Looking forward to printing and passing out some of these.
>>
>> > Thanks.
>>
>> > Aaron
>>
>> > On 5/14/11, Steven Johnson <blinddog3 at charter.net> wrote:
>> >> Let me think on that for a bit. I am thinking that the word public 
>> >> should
>> >> be in the title at some point with a direction leaning toward...
>> >> Understanding the role of Dog Guides in Public
>>
>> >> Steve
>>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> >> Behalf
>> >> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:29 PM
>> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>
>> >> steve,
>> >> Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
>>
>> >> Marion
>>
>>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>> >> Users'"
>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>
>>
>> >>> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains 
>> >>> the
>> >>> *essential information* that the general public needs to know. Any 
>> >>> more
>> >>> details would be overkill.
>>
>> >>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
>> >>> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> >>> Behalf
>> >>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> >>> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
>> >>> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing 
>> >>> List
>> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>
>> >>> Dear All,
>> >>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> >>> editing
>> >>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like 
>> >>> the
>> >>> input
>> >>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, 
>> >>> I
>> >>> know
>> >>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is
>> >>> anything
>> >>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would 
>> >>> also
>> >>> like
>> >>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this 
>> >>> piece. My
>> >>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your 
>> >>> feedback
>> >>> before then!
>>
>> >>> Peace!
>> >>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> >> t
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:58:48 -0400
>> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> Message-ID: <030301cc1342$e34215b0$6401a8c0 at 8K0FP61>
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>>
>> Thanks, Aaron, for pointing that out to me. I missed the taxicab 
>> reference
>> in the list of public accommodations. I looked for it in the sentence
>> regarding types of transportation and didn't find it there. I still think
>> it would be better placed with the other forms of transportation.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ann
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Aaron Cannon" <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 1:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>
>>
>> > Hi Ann.
>> >
>> > Taxicabs are mentioned in item 1.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Aaron
>> >
>> > On 5/15/11, Ann Edie <annedie at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi, Marion,
>> >>
>> >> I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
>> >> transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
>> >> trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised 
>> >> that
>> >> you
>> >> did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has suggested
>> >> including them either, since so many of our access issues involve 
>> >> taxis
>> >> and
>> >> taxi drivers.
>> >>
>> >> Otherwise, Very good brochure!
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >> Ann
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> >> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> >> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
>> >> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>;
>> >> "Toni Whaley" <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
>> >> <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; 
>> >> "Tina
>> >> Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing 
>> >> List"
>> >> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
>> >> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear All,
>> >> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> >> editing
>> >> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the
>> >> input
>> >> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I
>> >> know
>> >> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is
>> >> anything
>> >> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also
>> >> like
>> >> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this 
>> >> piece.
>> >> My
>> >> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your
>> >> feedback
>> >> before then!
>> >>
>> >> Peace!
>> >> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:51:01 -0400
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
>> Would Not Serve Her
>> Message-ID: <20110515205101.16217.55430 at ip-10-203-66-216.ec2.internal>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>
>> You let them fire you, and then you su the socks off of the company
>> going to the papers and TV.
>> Yes it isn't up to them to tell you how to handle your dog.
>> We would love to help but being here in Billings this isn't something
>> I'm not sure we could help with.
>> If we lived there, trust me I would be rite on top of it.
>> I realize your chapter isn't doing well, but trust me I wouldn't need a
>> chapter.
>> You make sure you let the public know how they work.
>>
>> Original message:
>> > No not yoet, but I asked what would happen if I chose not to comply and
>> > it was stated that may be I wouldn't be working. I took that as a not
>> > so suttle threat.
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:59 PM
>> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
>> > Would Not Serve Her
>>
>> > Have they come to the point saying you no longer can work for them?
>> > Stand your ground, and make sure you do obedience daily.
>> > Even more than once so your dogs know who the boss is.
>> > They will grow up.
>> > The dogs that is, people well ahem.
>>
>> > Original message:
>> >> Marion have a situation at work. People seem to think that our new 
>> >> dogs
>> >> aren't behaving the way they think they should and have the right to
>> >> try to direct them. Unfortunately they know next to nothing about 
>> >> guide
>> >> dogs the training or what a dog is capable of. They think that I need
>> >> to comply with there judgment calls. I work very part time and they
>> >> seem to think that dictating how I get to work is there concern. I
>> >> don't agree since i'm pretty sure I'm not covered by there insurance.
>> >> Any suggestions would be helpful.
>>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:17 AM
>> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
>> >> Would Not Serve Her
>>
>> >> Sheila,
>> >> I agree with you. I believe society has expectations of how someone of 
>> >> a
>> >> particular class is supposed to act and, when they do not fit into 
>> >> their
>> >> stereotype, confuse assertiveness with aggression. this being said, I 
>> >> also
>> >> believe it is important to handle such situations calmly, yet 
>> >> assertively
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:52:16 -0700
>> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] access issue resolved!
>> Message-ID: <65B1405CE66444E6800FB48A6E637979 at tamidesktop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> You go, girl! Love the 'tude. What a pain, though. Trying to educate some
>> humans just takes a lot of work, doesn't it? /grin/
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Julie J
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:02 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] access issue resolved!
>>
>> Heya all!
>>
>> I was out of town for a business meeting Friday and Saturday. I 
>> experienced
>> my first access issue at the hotel and wanted to share.
>>
>> When I checked into the hotel, the lady at the desk asked for Monty's 
>> card.
>> I played stupid and asked what card? She insisted that Monty should have 
>> a
>> card stating that he is a service dog. I told her that no ID is necessary
>> and it is illegal for her to ask for it. she insisted that the last 
>> person
>> that had a service dog in their hotel had a card and told them that every
>> service dog has a card and the person must show it. *sigh*
>>
>> So I explained to her, ever so politely, that she was mistaken, that 
>> federal
>> law very clearly does not require any sort of ID for the dog. She mumbled
>> something about the laws must have changed. It was her way of saving 
>> face,
>> but I was pissed and having none of it. So I continue with my 
>> explaination
>> that the laws regarding service dogs and ID have been the same for the 
>> last
>> 21 years. It then occurs to me that I might have copies of these laws 
>> buried
>> in my purse. I offer to show her the laws.
>>
>> I think this was the turning point in the conversation. All the sudden 
>> she
>> was no longer interested in ID cards or discussions of actual laws. She
>> tried to tell me that she wouldn't need an ID card this time and that she
>> didn't need to see the laws. This made me even more irritated. I wasn't
>> going to leave this mess for the next person to deal with.
>>
>> I didn't have copies of the laws in my purse, but I did have the cards 
>> from
>> Sit-Stay that give general information about service dogs and the DOJ 
>> toll
>> free phone number. I gave her one of those. She tried to tell me that 
>> this
>> card was fine. I told her that no, this is not an ID card, this is
>> informational only and that anyone can purchase these on the internet. 
>> She
>> then says that anyone can buy anything on the internet. AARGH! Why did 
>> she
>> even want to see any sort of card if she freely admits that anyone can 
>> get
>> one off the internet?
>>
>> Anyway that was the end of that. The rest of my hotel stay was 
>> uneventful.
>> Later I asked the other guide dog user that was there if he had any 
>> problems
>> with the dog when he checked in. Nope, they didn't say a word about the 
>> dog.
>> So either I made a dent in their stupidity or the staff had changed at 
>> the
>> front desk.
>> This was the first time that I have had any sort of problem with access 
>> in
>> regard to my guide dogs. I have had people ask the legal questions 
>> before,
>> but this was the first time someone acted inappropriately. It worked out 
>> in
>> the end, so that was good.
>>
>> Julie
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:55:53 -0400
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> Message-ID: <45A42CE36F2042E9AFC38581AB9C03DE at marion27df4b2a>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> Ann,
>> I did include taxicabs in the sentence just before the one you cited.
>>
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>
>>
>> > Hi, Marion,
>> >
>> > I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
>> > transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
>> > trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised that
>> > you did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has 
>> > suggested
>> > including them either, since so many of our access issues involve taxis
>> > and taxi drivers.
>> >
>> > Otherwise, Very good brochure!
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Ann
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> > <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
>> > <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
>> > <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey" 
>> > <margo.downey at verizon.net>;
>> > "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina Thomas"
>> > <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
>> > <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
>> > Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear All,
>> > As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> > editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would 
>> > like
>> > the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide 
>> > dog
>> > user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to know if
>> > there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might have
>> > missed! I would also like to know if you have any better suggestions 
>> > for
>> > the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final copy is 
>> > Monday,
>> > so please offer your feedback before then!
>> >
>> > Peace!
>> > Marion Gwizdala
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >
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>> >
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:56:24 -0700
>> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown
>> EateryWould Not Serve Her
>> Message-ID: <B8E59F3C41A84D5AAF63FC36804CC6DE at tamidesktop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Oh, my! There oughtta be a law ... Oh, wait! There is. That is just way
>> the heck out of bounds! That must be so infuriating! Good luck!
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Sheila Leigland
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:59 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown EateryWould 
>> Not
>> Serve Her
>>
>> No not yoet, but I asked what would happen if I chose not to comply and 
>> it
>> was stated that may be I wouldn't be working. I took that as a not so 
>> suttle
>> threat.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:59 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
>> Not Serve Her
>>
>> Have they come to the point saying you no longer can work for them?
>> Stand your ground, and make sure you do obedience daily.
>> Even more than once so your dogs know who the boss is.
>> They will grow up.
>> The dogs that is, people well ahem.
>>
>> Original message:
>> > Marion have a situation at work. People seem to think that our new dogs
>> > aren't behaving the way they think they should and have the right to
>> > try to direct them. Unfortunately they know next to nothing about guide
>> > dogs the training or what a dog is capable of. They think that I need
>> > to comply with there judgment calls. I work very part time and they
>> > seem to think that dictating how I get to work is there concern. I
>> > don't agree since i'm pretty sure I'm not covered by there insurance.
>> > Any suggestions would be helpful.
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:17 AM
>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
>> > Would Not Serve Her
>>
>> > Sheila,
>> > I agree with you. I believe society has expectations of how someone of
>> a
>> > particular class is supposed to act and, when they do not fit into 
>> > their
>> > stereotype, confuse assertiveness with aggression. this being said, I 
>> > also
>> > believe it is important to handle such situations calmly, yet 
>> > assertively
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 17:03:28 -0400
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] board meeting
>> Message-ID: <0AACDD66CDFC4636B7A4DFED92D9178E at marion27df4b2a>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Tina,
>> The Board of Directors meeting is on may 22.
>>
>> Marion
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 1:50 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] board meeting
>>
>>
>> > Is there a board meeting today?
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Tina
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:53:15 -0500
>> From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] access issue resolved!
>> Message-ID: <D9214D7D0C834A1EBB142AF01108D58B at CHRIS>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Hi Julie. I encountered the same thing last year when staying at a hotel. 
>> My
>> response was similar in asking what kind of card, and then telling them 
>> that
>> it was illegal for them to ask for ID. Their tone also changed with me. 
>> They
>> said, "Oh, since your disability is visible, and we know for sure that it 
>> is
>> a guide dog because you're blind, we don't need to see ID." I tried to
>> continue the discussion, but the woman in question was called away by
>> someone else behind the desk and there were a few people behind me. I 
>> should
>> have followed up with it. The rest of my stay at the hotel was also
>> uneventful in regard to issues with my dog.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:01 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] access issue resolved!
>>
>>
>> > Heya all!
>> >
>> > I was out of town for a business meeting Friday and Saturday. I
>> > experienced my first access issue at the hotel and wanted to share.
>> >
>> > When I checked into the hotel, the lady at the desk asked for Monty's
>> > card. I played stupid and asked what card? She insisted that Monty 
>> > should
>> > have a card stating that he is a service dog. I told her that no ID is
>> > necessary and it is illegal for her to ask for it. she insisted that 
>> > the
>> > last person that had a service dog in their hotel had a card and told 
>> > them
>> > that every service dog has a card and the person must show it. *sigh*
>> >
>> > So I explained to her, ever so politely, that she was mistaken, that
>> > federal law very clearly does not require any sort of ID for the dog. 
>> > She
>> > mumbled something about the laws must have changed. It was her way of
>> > saving face, but I was pissed and having none of it. So I continue with 
>> > my
>> > explaination that the laws regarding service dogs and ID have been the
>> > same for the last 21 years. It then occurs to me that I might have 
>> > copies
>> > of these laws buried in my purse. I offer to show her the laws.
>> >
>> > I think this was the turning point in the conversation. All the sudden 
>> > she
>> > was no longer interested in ID cards or discussions of actual laws. She
>> > tried to tell me that she wouldn't need an ID card this time and that 
>> > she
>> > didn't need to see the laws. This made me even more irritated. I wasn't
>> > going to leave this mess for the next person to deal with.
>> >
>> > I didn't have copies of the laws in my purse, but I did have the cards
>> > from Sit-Stay that give general information about service dogs and the 
>> > DOJ
>> > toll free phone number. I gave her one of those. She tried to tell me 
>> > that
>> > this card was fine. I told her that no, this is not an ID card, this is
>> > informational only and that anyone can purchase these on the internet. 
>> > She
>> > then says that anyone can buy anything on the internet. AARGH! Why did 
>> > she
>> > even want to see any sort of card if she freely admits that anyone can 
>> > get
>> > one off the internet?
>> >
>> > Anyway that was the end of that. The rest of my hotel stay was 
>> > uneventful.
>> > Later I asked the other guide dog user that was there if he had any
>> > problems with the dog when he checked in. Nope, they didn't say a word
>> > about the dog. So either I made a dent in their stupidity or the staff 
>> > had
>> > changed at the front desk.
>> > This was the first time that I have had any sort of problem with access 
>> > in
>> > regard to my guide dogs. I have had people ask the legal questions
>> > before, but this was the first time someone acted inappropriately. It
>> > worked out in the end, so that was good.
>> >
>> > Julie
>> > _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 17:04:45 -0500
>> From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> Message-ID: <F73DEAAD87734C57AD2C3FCDC535D83D at CHRIS>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> This is a bit off topic in regard to the brochure itself. But I agree 
>> Anne
>> with a lot of our issues being with taxi cabs. On Thursday, on my way 
>> home
>> from the store, the operator who answered at the cab company said, "It
>> states when you call that you are visually impaired. You don't have a dog 
>> or
>> anything like that with you do you?" First of all, what does anything 
>> like
>> that with you mean? A service chicken or a service cow? LOL. I didn't 
>> answer
>> his question with a yes or no. Instead, I simply told him that question 
>> was
>> unnecessary and there was no need to ask. He said, "I apologize. But some
>> cab drivers don't like dogs in their cabs." I told him that federal law
>> doesn't go by whether or not a driver likes dogs in his or her cab. He 
>> then
>> quickly apologized and didn't even give it a second thought. I was 
>> curious
>> as to whether my response implied that I was accompanied by a dog. I was
>> curious as to whether or not he just decided to note that I had a dog
>> anyway, because of how I responded. So I called back in about 10 minutes
>> later to check on the status of my cab, as they advise you to do, and 
>> asked
>> what was all noted when my number came up. To my surprise, he did not 
>> note
>> anything about a service dog. I have found, with this cab company in
>> particular, that when some drivers realize I have a dog, they call into 
>> the
>> company and try to have it noted on my file when my number comes up. When 
>> I
>> call in to order a cab, they even say it. It shows here you have a dog, 
>> is
>> this correct? And I say no so they remove it. LOL.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 3:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>
>>
>> > Ann,
>> > I did include taxicabs in the sentence just before the one you cited.
>> >
>> > Marion
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:25 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi, Marion,
>> >>
>> >> I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
>> >> transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
>> >> trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised 
>> >> that
>> >> you did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has 
>> >> suggested
>> >> including them either, since so many of our access issues involve 
>> >> taxis
>> >> and taxi drivers.
>> >>
>> >> Otherwise, Very good brochure!
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >> Ann
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> >> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> >> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
>> >> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
>> >> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey" 
>> >> <margo.downey at verizon.net>;
>> >> "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina Thomas"
>> >> <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
>> >> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
>> >> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear All,
>> >> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> >> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would
>> >> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a 
>> >> guide
>> >> dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to 
>> >> know
>> >> if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might have
>> >> missed! I would also like to know if you have any better suggestions 
>> >> for
>> >> the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final copy is 
>> >> Monday,
>> >> so please offer your feedback before then!
>> >>
>> >> Peace!
>> >> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>
>> >>
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>> >
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 17:22:59 -0500
>> From: Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
>> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=Qe2_yRwsByZSecQVHpSR6_UdCZA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Thanks guys! You are all awesome, and this list is great!
>>
>> Brie and I can't wait to go to convention! She just loves to be the
>> center of attention. Lol I hope to see many of you there.
>>
>> On 5/15/11, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
>> > Yes, that is great.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Elizabeth Rene <emrene at earthlink.net>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:43 PM
>> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
>> >
>> > Congratulations on winning an NFB scholarship.
>> >
>> > You do us and our dogs proud.
>> >
>> > Elizabeth
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> >
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>> >
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Julie McG
>> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
>> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>> Eyes for the Blind
>>
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>> life."
>> John 3:16
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 17:33:38 -0500
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
>> Message-ID: <9AF8291B-D20E-47F4-BC50-945257C98115 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Julie, I'm thinkin' you are going to be the center of attention. You are 
>> getting the scholarship. <Grin>
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On May 15, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Julie McGinnity wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks guys! You are all awesome, and this list is great!
>> >
>> > Brie and I can't wait to go to convention! She just loves to be the
>> > center of attention. Lol I hope to see many of you there.
>> >
>> > On 5/15/11, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
>> >> Yes, that is great.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Elizabeth Rene <emrene at earthlink.net>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:43 PM
>> >> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >> Subject: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
>> >>
>> >> Congratulations on winning an NFB scholarship.
>> >>
>> >> You do us and our dogs proud.
>> >>
>> >> Elizabeth
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>> > -- 
>> > Julie McG
>> > Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
>> > Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>> > Eyes for the Blind
>> >
>> > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>> > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>> > life."
>> > John 3:16
>> >
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 19
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 18:15:21 -0500
>> From: Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
>> Message-ID: <BANLkTimJfjtScZM+xQWRpJ1rfito9VT4zA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Oh yes, but when I'm the center of attention my little diva dog will
>> think she needs some of that attention. That's what I've been calling
>> her lately. Of course, many of the things she does on stage that grab
>> attention, a blind person would not notice, so maybe you're right. I
>> should have explained that better. My dog is a big diva. As you know
>> I'm a performance major, and as such, I have to be on stage a lot,
>> which means that Brie also comes on stage. She likes to be dramatic
>> when I am singing. She roles over, or crosses her paws, or flops her
>> head down, all things that don't even phase me, but the sighted
>> audience love it. I'm sure some of you can relate. Lol
>>
>> On 5/15/11, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Julie, I'm thinkin' you are going to be the center of attention. You 
>> > are
>> > getting the scholarship. <Grin>
>> >
>> > CL
>> >
>> > On May 15, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Julie McGinnity wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks guys! You are all awesome, and this list is great!
>> >>
>> >> Brie and I can't wait to go to convention! She just loves to be the
>> >> center of attention. Lol I hope to see many of you there.
>> >>
>> >> On 5/15/11, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
>> >>> Yes, that is great.
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Elizabeth Rene <emrene at earthlink.net>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:43 PM
>> >>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
>> >>>
>> >>> Congratulations on winning an NFB scholarship.
>> >>>
>> >>> You do us and our dogs proud.
>> >>>
>> >>> Elizabeth
>> >>>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Julie McG
>> >> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
>> >> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>> >> Eyes for the Blind
>> >>
>> >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>> >> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>> >> life."
>> >> John 3:16
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> -- 
>> Julie McG
>> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
>> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>> Eyes for the Blind
>>
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>> life."
>> John 3:16
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 18:16:20 -0500
>> From: Holly Mcknight <hollyandpolly at hotmail.com>
>> To: "nagdu at nfbnet.org" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 74, Issue 15
>> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP959D6ADF18C363D1DC69C6BC8A0 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I really like the changes to this info. I find it helpful when dealing 
>> with the public,
>> if I answer specific questions when I can. I am a part of the newly 
>> firmed Lone Star Puppy Club, who are raising puppies for GDB. The school 
>> has a great web site, as does our puppy club. We all also carry business 
>> cards that are very helpful. You can all check out 
>> www.guidedogtx.blogspot.com, hope this helps.
>> Sent From My iPhone
>>
>> On May 15, 2011, at 12:00 PM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>
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>> > than "Re: Contents of nagdu digest..."
>> >
>> >
>> > Today's Topics:
>> >
>> > 1. Your critique Invited! (Marion Gwizdala)
>> > 2. Re: Your critique Invited! (Steven Johnson)
>> > 3. Re: Your critique Invited! (Marion Gwizdala)
>> > 4. Re: Your critique Invited! (Jeffrey Young)
>> > 5. Re: Your critique Invited! (Marion Gwizdala)
>> > 6. Re: Your critique Invited! (Steven Johnson)
>> > 7. Way to go, Julie! (Elizabeth Rene)
>> > 8. Re: Your critique Invited! (Aaron Cannon)
>> > 9. Re: Your critique Invited! (Julie J)
>> > 10. Re: FW: National Federation of the Blind Announces 2011
>> > Scholarship Program Winners, and one of them is on our list!!
>> > (Julie J)
>> > 11. Re: Putting eye ointment (Julie J)
>> > 12. Re: Your critique Invited! (Aaron Cannon)
>> > 13. Re: Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not
>> > Serve Her (d m gina)
>> > 14. Re: Putting eye ointment (Margo and Arrow)
>> > 15. Re: Your critique Invited! (Sheila Leigland)
>> > 16. my suggestions for the brochure (Michael Hingson)
>> > 17. Re: Your critique Invited! (Marion Gwizdala)
>> > 18. Re: Your critique Invited! (Ann Edie)
>> > 19. access issue resolved! (Julie J)
>> > 20. Re: Your critique Invited! (Julie J)
>> > 21. Re: access issue resolved! (The Pawpower Pack)
>> > 22. Re: Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not
>> > Serve Her (Sheila Leigland)
>> > 23. Re: Way to go, Julie! (Sheila Leigland)
>> >
>> >
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 15:14:28 -0400
>> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>, "Michael Hingson"
>> > <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>, "Sherrill O'Brien"
>> > <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>, "Toni Whaley"
>> > <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>, "Margo Downey"
>> > <margo.downey at verizon.net>, "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>,
>> > "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>, "Correspondence Committee
>> > Mailing List" <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> > Message-ID: <43048881EE744ECD97E855087B57B9F5 at marion27df4b2a>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> > Dear All,
>> > As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am 
>> > editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would 
>> > like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a 
>> > guide dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like 
>> > to know if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I 
>> > might have missed! I would also like to know if you have any better 
>> > suggestions for the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the 
>> > final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback before then!
>> >
>> > Peace!
>> > Marion Gwizdala
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 14:24:52 -0500
>> > From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> > Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> > Message-ID: <001101cc126c$9978cae0$cc6a60a0$@net>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> > Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains 
>> > the
>> > *essential information* that the general public needs to know. Any more
>> > details would be overkill.
>> >
>> > Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
>> > Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> > Behalf
>> > Of Marion Gwizdala
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> > To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
>> > Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing 
>> > List
>> > Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> > Dear All,
>> > As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am 
>> > editing
>> > our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the 
>> > input
>> > of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I 
>> > know
>> > what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is 
>> > anything
>> > "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also 
>> > like
>> > to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. 
>> > My
>> > deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your 
>> > feedback
>> > before then!
>> >
>> > Peace!
>> > Marion Gwizdala
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 3
>> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 15:29:27 -0400
>> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> > Message-ID: <3CE479352A1A4549A80D5FFD6F3CEB90 at marion27df4b2a>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> > reply-type=original
>> >
>> > steve,
>> > Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
>> >
>> > Marion
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> >> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains 
>> >> the
>> >> *essential information* that the general public needs to know. Any 
>> >> more
>> >> details would be overkill.
>> >>
>> >> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
>> >> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> >> Behalf
>> >> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> >> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
>> >> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing 
>> >> List
>> >> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >> Dear All,
>> >> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> >> editing
>> >> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the
>> >> input
>> >> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I
>> >> know
>> >> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is
>> >> anything
>> >> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also
>> >> like
>> >> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this 
>> >> piece. My
>> >> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your 
>> >> feedback
>> >> before then!
>> >>
>> >> Peace!
>> >> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
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>> >> nagdu:
>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/blind411%40verizon.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 4
>> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:33:35 -0600
>> > From: Jeffrey Young <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> > Message-ID: <EC3BBA1D-CF9B-4A1B-90CA-2413D75BA4D7 at gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> >
>> > I like it. All though some uneducated people might think a leash 
>> > correction is more than a firm tug, :)
>> >
>> > Good work.
>> >
>> > Jeff and Hansel
>> > On May 14, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
>> >
>> >> steve,
>> >> Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
>> >>
>> >> Marion
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Johnson" 
>> >> <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>> >> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains 
>> >>> the
>> >>> *essential information* that the general public needs to know. Any 
>> >>> more
>> >>> details would be overkill.
>> >>>
>> >>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
>> >>> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> >>> Behalf
>> >>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> >>> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
>> >>> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing 
>> >>> List
>> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear All,
>> >>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am 
>> >>> editing
>> >>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like 
>> >>> the input
>> >>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, 
>> >>> I know
>> >>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is 
>> >>> anything
>> >>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would 
>> >>> also like
>> >>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this 
>> >>> piece. My
>> >>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your 
>> >>> feedback
>> >>> before then!
>> >>>
>> >>> Peace!
>> >>> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> nagdu mailing list
>> >>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
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>> >>> nagdu:
>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/blind411%40verizon.net
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 5
>> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 15:51:25 -0400
>> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> > Message-ID: <A1513396D6924F2B9FA5C387A1D7FD52 at marion27df4b2a>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> > reply-type=original
>> >
>> > Jeff,
>> > Thank you for taking a look at it! As per my question to Steve, do you
>> > have any suggestions for a new title?
>> >
>> > Marion
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Jeffrey Young" <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:33 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> >> I like it. All though some uneducated people might think a leash 
>> >> correction
>> >> is more than a firm tug, :)
>> >>
>> >> Good work.
>> >>
>> >> Jeff and Hansel
>> >> On May 14, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> steve,
>> >>> Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
>> >>>
>> >>> Marion
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Johnson"
>> >>> <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> >>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>> >>> Users'"
>> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains 
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> *essential information* that the general public needs to know. Any 
>> >>>> more
>> >>>> details would be overkill.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
>> >>>> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>>> Behalf
>> >>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> >>>> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; 
>> >>>> Margo
>> >>>> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing
>> >>>> List
>> >>>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dear All,
>> >>>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> >>>> editing
>> >>>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like 
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> input
>> >>>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, 
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> know
>> >>>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is
>> >>>> anything
>> >>>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would 
>> >>>> also
>> >>>> like
>> >>>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this 
>> >>>> piece.
>> >>>> My
>> >>>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your
>> >>>> feedback
>> >>>> before then!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Peace!
>> >>>> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> nagdu mailing list
>> >>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
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>> >>>> for
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>
>> >>
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 6
>> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 14:51:52 -0500
>> > From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> > Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> > Message-ID: <001f01cc1270$5f302690$1d9073b0$@net>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> > Let me think on that for a bit. I am thinking that the word public 
>> > should
>> > be in the title at some point with a direction leaning toward...
>> > Understanding the role of Dog Guides in Public
>> >
>> > Steve
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> > Behalf
>> > Of Marion Gwizdala
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:29 PM
>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> > steve,
>> > Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
>> >
>> > Marion
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> >> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains 
>> >> the
>> >> *essential information* that the general public needs to know. Any 
>> >> more
>> >> details would be overkill.
>> >>
>> >> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
>> >> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> >> Behalf
>> >> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> >> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
>> >> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing 
>> >> List
>> >> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >> Dear All,
>> >> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> >> editing
>> >> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the
>> >> input
>> >> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I
>> >> know
>> >> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is
>> >> anything
>> >> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also
>> >> like
>> >> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this 
>> >> piece. My
>> >> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your 
>> >> feedback
>> >> before then!
>> >>
>> >> Peace!
>> >> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
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>> >> nagdu:
>> >>
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/blind411%40verizon.ne
>> > t
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > et
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 7
>> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:43:16 -0700
>> > From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
>> > To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
>> > Message-ID: <DA98F589F35741CA94D3C791EDFCF211 at elizabethrene>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> > reply-type=original
>> >
>> > Congratulations on winning an NFB scholarship.
>> >
>> > You do us and our dogs proud.
>> >
>> > Elizabeth
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 8
>> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 16:45:24 -0500
>> > From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> > Message-ID: <BANLkTi=Skcz18H2CxLN3vryQfnDXZQB6EQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>> >
>> > Hi.
>> >
>> > Here are my edits. You can pick and choose as you like. I would,
>> > however, be interested in seeing an updated version, if you do in fact
>> > incorporate any of these changes into the document.
>> >
>> >
>> > Original:
>> > When you see a guide dog at work you are watching a team with each
>> > partner contributing to the team effort. As the head of the team, the
>> > blind person?s role is to maintain control of the guide dog and to
>> > direct the guide dog to where the handler wants to go. The blind
>> > person does this by giving the dog directional commands, such as
>> > ?Forward?, ?Left?, and ?Right?, which are sometimes accompanied by
>> > hand commands. The guide dog?s role in this partnership is to obey
>> > these commands, except when to do so would place the team in danger.
>> >
>> > My Version:
>> > When you see a guide dog at work, you are watching a team, with each
>> > partner contributing to the team effort. As the head of the team, the
>> > blind person?s role is to maintain control of the guide dog and to
>> > direct the guide dog to where the handler wants to go. The blind
>> > person does this by giving the dog directional commands, such as
>> > ?Forward?, ?Left?, and ?Right?, which are sometimes accompanied by
>> > hand jestures. The guide dog?s role in this partnership is to obey
>> > these commands, except when to do so would place the team in danger.
>> > For example, if a handler were to ask his guide dog to go forward when
>> > there was a sudden drop-off directly ahead, the guide dog would refuse
>> > to obey.
>> >
>> >
>> > original:
>> > 1. It is a violation of state & federal laws to deny access to a
>> > disabled person accompanied by a service animal. This includes stores,
>> > restaurants, taxicabs,
>> > parks, health care facilities, zoos, or any other place the general
>> > public is admitted. The law prohibits public carriers such as buses,
>> > trains, or planes
>> > from refusing to serve a disabled individual accompanied by a service
>> > animal. Furthermore, a disabled person accompanied by a service animal
>> > has the same
>> > rights as other passengers to choose where they sit on such carriers
>> > where no other legally established seating requirements exists.
>> >
>> > my version:
>> > 1. It is a violation of both state & federal law to segrigate or deny
>> > access to a disabled person accompanied by a service animal. These
>> > laws apply to stores, restaurants, taxicabs, parks, health care
>> > facilities, zoos, and any other place the general public is admitted.
>> > The law also prohibits public carriers such as buses, trains, or
>> > planes from refusing to serve a disabled individual accompanied by a
>> > service animal. Furthermore, a disabled person accompanied by a
>> > service animal has the same rights as other passengers to choose where
>> > they sit on such carriers where no other legally established seating
>> > requirements exist.
>> >
>> > Original:
>> > 2. When you meet a guide dog or other service animal in public, it is
>> > working. It is important that others do not interfere with the dog?s
>> > work; therefore,
>> > Never touch a guide dog nor its gear, never call a guide dog by name
>> > or speak to it, and do not intentionally make noises to distract the
>> > dog.
>> >
>> > My version:
>> > 2. When you meet a guide dog or other service animal in public, it is
>> > working. It is important that no one interfere with the dog?s work;
>> > therefore, you should never touch a guide dog nor its gear, never call
>> > or speak to a guide dog, and never intentionally do anything for the
>> > purpose of distracting or getting the dogs attention.
>> >
>> > Original:
>> > 3. Never feed a service dog,? since feeding it may make working the
>> > dog ?? difficult in places where food is present, such as in
>> > restaurants and grocery
>> > stores.
>> >
>> > My version:
>> > 3. Never feed a service dog,? since feeding it may make working the
>> > dog ?? difficult in places where food is present, such as in
>> > restaurants and grocery stores. ?In addition, many dogs can be quite
>> > sensative to certain types of foods, so there is a very real
>> > possibility that you may make the dog ill and unable to work.
>> >
>> > Original:
>> > 6. When giving directions to a blind person, speak to the person. Do
>> > not call the dog or try to get it to follow you. Guide dog users
>> > sometimes use a ?Follow?
>> > command but the blind person will give it. Also, let the blind person
>> > know about turns to be made so the blind person can give the proper
>> > direction to
>> > the dog.
>> >
>> >
>> > My version:
>> > 6. When giving directions to a blind person, speak to the person. Do
>> > not call the dog or try to get it to follow you. Guide dog users
>> > sometimes use a ?Follow? command, but the blind person is the one who
>> > will give this command. Whether the blind person follows you or you
>> > simply tell the blind person where to go, it is important to give
>> > specific directions such as "left" and "right", rather than "over
>> > there" or "thataway".
>> >
>> >
>> > My version:
>> > ??????7. Consistent discipline is key to a successful guide dog team.
>> > Ordinarily, verbal admonitions are used to maintain control. If this
>> > fails it may become necessary for the blind person to use a firm tug
>> > on the leash. This does not hurt the dog; it simply brings the dog's
>> > attention back to its job.
>> >
>> > Original:
>> > You see more blind people on the streets today, not because there are
>> > more of us, but because we have learned to make our own way in the
>> > world. A major
>> > factor in this progress is the National Federation of the Blind, the
>> > oldest & largest organization of the blind. We are blind people
>> > speaking for ourselves
>> > and acting for ourselves, working as equal partners with our sighted 
>> > neighbors.
>> >
>> > My version:
>> > You may have noticed more blind people on the streets today, not
>> > because there are more of us, but because we have learned to make our
>> > own way in the world. A major
>> > factor in this progress has been the National Federation of the Blind,
>> > the oldest & largest organization of the blind. We are blind people
>> > speaking for ourselves
>> > and acting for ourselves, working as equal partners with our sighted 
>> > neighbors.
>> >
>> > Original:
>> > If you found this information interesting, perhaps you know others who
>> > would, as well! Please feel free to pass this on!
>> >
>> >
>> > My version:
>> > If you found this information interesting or helpful, perhaps you know
>> > others who would, as well! Please feel free to pass this on!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hope this helps.
>> >
>> > Looking forward to printing and passing out some of these.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Aaron
>> >
>> > On 5/14/11, Steven Johnson <blinddog3 at charter.net> wrote:
>> >> Let me think on that for a bit. I am thinking that the word public 
>> >> should
>> >> be in the title at some point with a direction leaning toward...
>> >> Understanding the role of Dog Guides in Public
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> >> Behalf
>> >> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:29 PM
>> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >> steve,
>> >> Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
>> >>
>> >> Marion
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>> >> Users'"
>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains 
>> >>> the
>> >>> *essential information* that the general public needs to know. Any 
>> >>> more
>> >>> details would be overkill.
>> >>>
>> >>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
>> >>> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> >>> Behalf
>> >>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> >>> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
>> >>> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing 
>> >>> List
>> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear All,
>> >>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> >>> editing
>> >>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like 
>> >>> the
>> >>> input
>> >>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, 
>> >>> I
>> >>> know
>> >>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is
>> >>> anything
>> >>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would 
>> >>> also
>> >>> like
>> >>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this 
>> >>> piece. My
>> >>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your 
>> >>> feedback
>> >>> before then!
>> >>>
>> >>> Peace!
>> >>> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> nagdu mailing list
>> >>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> >>> nagdu:
>> >>>
>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/blind411%40verizon.ne
>> >> t
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> et
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 9
>> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 18:27:38 -0500
>> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> > Message-ID: <00a701cc128e$83ae5c80$0201a8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> > reply-type=original
>> >
>> > Could something about ID cards not being required as a condition of 
>> > access
>> > be added?
>> >
>> > Julie
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> > <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien" 
>> > <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>;
>> > "Toni Whaley" <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
>> > <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina
>> > Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
>> > <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> > Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear All,
>> > As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am 
>> > editing
>> > our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the 
>> > input
>> > of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I 
>> > know
>> > what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is 
>> > anything
>> > "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also 
>> > like
>> > to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. 
>> > My
>> > deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your 
>> > feedback
>> > before then!
>> >
>> > Peace!
>> > Marion Gwizdala
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> nagdu:
>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/julielj%40neb.rr.com
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 10
>> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 18:48:46 -0500
>> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: National Federation of the Blind Announces
>> > 2011 Scholarship Program Winners, and one of them is on our list!!
>> > Message-ID: <00c301cc1291$7721e650$0201a8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> > reply-type=original
>> >
>> > Yea to Julie! Have fun at convention and best of luck at winning one of
>> > the big scholarships!
>> >
>> > the other Julie
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>
>> > To: "Nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:26 PM
>> > Subject: [nagdu] FW: National Federation of the Blind Announces 2011
>> > Scholarship Program Winners, and one of them is on our list!!
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > I just received the following announcement of the 2011 national 
>> > scholarship
>> > winners, and was delighted to see our Julie McGinnity as one of them. 
>> > Great
>> > accomplishment, Julie, and many congratulations to you!
>> >
>> > Sherrill
>> > !-----Original Message-----
>> > From: nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org]On Behalf Of Freeh, 
>> > Jessica
>> > (by way of David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>)
>> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:46 PM
>> > To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] National Federation of the Blind 
>> > Announces
>> > 2011 Scholarship Program Winners
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > CONTACT:
>> >
>> > Chris Danielsen
>> >
>> > Director of Public Relations
>> >
>> > National Federation of the Blind
>> >
>> > (410) 659-9314, extension 2330
>> >
>> > (410) 262-1281 (Cell)
>> >
>> > cdanielsen at nfb.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > National Federation of the Blind Announces
>> > 2011 Scholarship Program Winners
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Baltimore, Maryland (May 13, 2011): The National Federation of the 
>> > Blind
>> > (NFB), the nation's oldest and largest organization of blind people, 
>> > today
>> > announced the winners of its 2011 Scholarship Program, which awards 
>> > thirty
>> > scholarships each year to recognize achievement by blind scholars. The
>> > winners are listed below in alphabetical order with their home states 
>> > and
>> > vocational goals:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ? Yasen Angelov, FL: certified public accountant (CPA)
>> >
>> > ? Jessica Beecham, TN: therapeutic recreation specialist for persons
>> > with disabilities
>> >
>> > ? Mary Billington, NY: educational policy and management specialist
>> >
>> > ? David Bouchard, MS: teacher of orientation and mobility
>> >
>> > ? Christine Daniels, CO: scientist/professor of cellular and
>> > molecular biophysics
>> >
>> > ? Roberto Diaz, CT: teacher of American history to at-risk youth
>> >
>> > ? Aleeha Dudley, OH: equine veterinarian
>> >
>> > ? Heather Edwards, SC: disability services coordinator
>> >
>> > ? Christopher Fountain, VA: family and marriage counselor
>> >
>> > ? Brenton R. Fuchs, CT: business administration and marketing
>> >
>> > ? Diane Graves, IN: social services administrator
>> >
>> > ? Michelle Hackman, NY: scientist specializing in behavioral science
>> >
>> > ? Shafeka Hashash, NJ: lawyer or international relations specialist at
>> > the UN
>> >
>> > ? Carry Joanis, NY: MBA-credentialed financial analyst or product
>> > manager
>> >
>> > ? Kathleen Katulak, NY: teacher of the blind and educational
>> > researcher
>> >
>> > ? Catherine Lei, CA: patent attorney and expert in the physical
>> > sciences
>> >
>> > ? Ma'ayan Malter, IL: professor of economics
>> >
>> > ? Daniel Martinez, TX: teacher of blind students
>> >
>> > ? Ryan T. McBee, OR: elected politician or political consultant
>> >
>> > ? Julie McGinnity, MO: vocal coach, professional singer, and German
>> > translator
>> >
>> > ? Terence Meehan, CA: medical doctor involved in clinical research and
>> > teaching
>> >
>> > ? Sylvia Modesitt, MO: scientist/professor of astrophysics or
>> > molecular biology
>> >
>> > ? Justin Salisbury, CT: professor of quantitative economics
>> >
>> > ? Kyle Shachmut, MA: administrator/professor of educational media and
>> > technology
>> >
>> > ? Amber K. Sherrard, LA: nutritionist
>> >
>> > ? Sandra Sommers, OH: physical therapist
>> >
>> > ? Mikaela Stevens, ID: motivational public speaker
>> >
>> > ? Kristina Vu, TX: lawyer
>> >
>> > ? Henry Wedler, CA: professor of chemistry
>> >
>> > ? Matthew C. Yeater, IN: minister and evangelist
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "These students represent academic excellence, and many of them are
>> > doubtless future leaders of this nation's blind," said Dr. Marc Maurer,
>> > President of the National Federation of the Blind. "They are forging a 
>> > path
>> > in disciplines as varied as economics, molecular biology, physical 
>> > therapy,
>> > law, and nutrition. They are proof of our conviction that we, the blind 
>> > of
>> > this nation, can compete on terms of equality with our sighted peers, 
>> > and we
>> > are very proud of their accomplishments."
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > In July each winner will attend the NFB's seventy-first annual national
>> > convention in Orlando, Florida, where the Scholarship Committee will 
>> > spend
>> > several days getting to know each student and then decide which 
>> > scholarship
>> > (ranging in value from $3,000 to $12,000) to award each of them. The
>> > scholarship winners will then be announced at the banquet of the NFB
>> > convention on Friday, July 8.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For more information on the National Federation of the Blind 
>> > Scholarship
>> > Program, visit www.nfb.org/scholarships .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ###
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > About the National Federation of the Blind
>> >
>> > With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is 
>> > the
>> > largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in 
>> > the
>> > United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy,
>> > education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence 
>> > and
>> > self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today 
>> > and
>> > the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the
>> > National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research 
>> > and
>> > training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 11
>> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 18:52:07 -0500
>> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Putting eye ointment
>> > Message-ID: <00c701cc1291$ef163670$0201a8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> > reply-type=original
>> >
>> > Sorry Tracy, I have no good ideas for you.
>> >
>> > The first thing that came to me was to put the ointment on a finger and 
>> > then
>> > to put it on the inside of the eyelid, but this probably isn't a good 
>> > idea.
>> > Let us know if you find something that works well for you.
>> >
>> > Julie
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> > To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 7:46 AM
>> > Subject: [nagdu] Putting eye ointment
>> >
>> >
>> >> I need to put some ointment in Echo's eye twice a day for a couple 
>> >> weeks.
>> >> I did good yesterday, but not so good today. I have my husband hold 
>> >> her
>> >> head still, then use one hand to pull down on the skin under her eye,
>> >> hopefully opening it up, then use the other hand to position and 
>> >> squeeze
>> >> the tube, trying not to poke her with it. I haven't poked her, but 
>> >> today
>> >> I'm not sure I hit the target, either. Oh for that third hand I've 
>> >> always
>> >> wanted!
>> >> If anyone has a good method that's better than mine, please share.
>> >> Tracy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 12
>> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 19:50:52 -0500
>> > From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> > Message-ID: <BANLkTimxdZPh3P-1jfRxXcJpegY_L1SRWg at mail.gmail.com>
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>> >
>> > That's a good idea. I also wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to
>> > add some careful language explaining what the business owner can do.
>> > At the moment, there's no mention of the business owners rights. I
>> > realize that that's not the purpose of the flier, but on the other
>> > hand, a document which is too one-sided isn't likely to be well
>> > received by some.
>> >
>> > Here's my attempt at such language:
>> > If you are not sure whether or not a dog is a guide or service dog,
>> > you may ask the handler. In order to be considered a service dog
>> > under federal law, a dog must be trained to perform a specific task
>> > for a person with a disability, and you may also ask the handler what
>> > specific task the dog is trained to perform. However, a handler is
>> > not required to tell you about their disability, nor are they required
>> > to have any sort of certification of their dog's training.
>> >
>> > Aaron
>> >
>> > On 5/14/11, Julie J <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> Could something about ID cards not being required as a condition of 
>> >> access
>> >> be added?
>> >>
>> >> Julie
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> >> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> >> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien" 
>> >> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>;
>> >> "Toni Whaley" <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
>> >> <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; 
>> >> "Tina
>> >> Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing 
>> >> List"
>> >> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> >> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear All,
>> >> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am 
>> >> editing
>> >> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the 
>> >> input
>> >> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I 
>> >> know
>> >> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is 
>> >> anything
>> >> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also 
>> >> like
>> >> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this 
>> >> piece. My
>> >> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your 
>> >> feedback
>> >> before then!
>> >>
>> >> Peace!
>> >> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 13
>> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 20:59:21 -0400
>> > From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
>> > Would Not Serve Her
>> > Message-ID: <20110515005921.16194.42227 at ip-10-203-66-216.ec2.internal>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>> >
>> > Have they come to the point saying you no longer can work for them?
>> > Stand your ground, and make sure you do obedience daily.
>> > Even more than once so your dogs know who the boss is.
>> > They will grow up.
>> > The dogs that is, people well ahem.
>> >
>> > Original message:
>> >> Marion have a situation at work. People seem to think that our new 
>> >> dogs
>> >> aren't behaving the way they think they should and have the right to
>> >> try to direct them. Unfortunately they know next to nothing about 
>> >> guide
>> >> dogs the training or what a dog is capable of. They think that I need
>> >> to comply with there judgment calls. I work very part time and they
>> >> seem to think that dictating how I get to work is there concern. I
>> >> don't agree since i'm pretty sure I'm not covered by there insurance.
>> >> Any suggestions would be helpful.
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:17 AM
>> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
>> >> Would Not Serve Her
>> >
>> >> Sheila,
>> >> I agree with you. I believe society has expectations of how someone of 
>> >> a
>> >> particular class is supposed to act and, when they do not fit into 
>> >> their
>> >> stereotype, confuse assertiveness with aggression. this being said, I 
>> >> also
>> >> believe it is important to handle such situations calmly, yet 
>> >> assertively.
>> >> The law is on our sides and we need to learn how to take advantage of 
>> >> that
>> >> fact.
>> >
>> >> Fraternally yours,
>> >> Marion
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:23 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery 
>> >> Would
>> >> Not Serve Her
>> >
>> >
>> >>> I don't know if this lady had a bad attitude or not but sometimes it 
>> >>> seems
>> >>> like if we stand up for ourselves we are just being sensitive it 
>> >>> doesn't
>> >>> seem right. Others seem to be peeermitted to stand up for themselves 
>> >>> but
>> >>> not blind folks. It needs to change.
>> >
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: wmodnl wmodnl <wmodnl at hotmail.com>
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:21 AM
>> >>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery 
>> >>> Would
>> >>> Not Serve Her
>> >
>> >
>> >>> I have been to this establishment many times and have had only good
>> >>> experiences being served with my guide dog. I am also aware of others 
>> >>> who
>> >>> have had positive experiences with this business.
>> >>> Good luck.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> From: GingerKutsch at yahoo.com
>> >>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >>>> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 08:19:53 -0400
>> >>>> Subject: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery 
>> >>>> Would Not
>> >>>> Serve Her
>> >
>> >>>> Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not Serve Her
>> >>>> By: NY1 News
>> >>>> http://manhattan.ny1.com/content/top_stories/138854/blind-woman-with-guide-d
>> >>>> og-says-midtown-eatery-would-not-serve-her
>> >
>> >>>> A blind woman told NY1 that a Midtown restaurant discriminated 
>> >>>> against
>> >>>> her
>> >>>> when they would not let her guide dog inside.
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>> >>>> Then come back here and refresh the page.
>> >
>> >>>> A legally blind woman told NY1 that a Midtown restaurant 
>> >>>> discriminated
>> >>>> against her when they would not let her guide dog inside.
>> >
>> >>>> Irene Sirotta said she, her guide dog Tyler and a friend went inside 
>> >>>> La
>> >>>> Baguette restaurant, but an employee asked them to leave.
>> >
>> >>>> She said they showed documentation to prove Tyler, seen above, is a 
>> >>>> guide
>> >>>> dog, but they were still told to get out.
>> >
>> >>>> "It's discrimination. You can go in there, why can't I? Why?" said
>> >>>> Sirotta.
>> >>>> "He's a guide dog. Why can't I go in there? New York State law says 
>> >>>> I can
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>> > Message: 14
>> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 21:12:42 -0400
>> > From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Putting eye ointment
>> > Message-ID: <96A894ADDF924D5687B92C700FB496D7 at meandmyarrow>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> > reply-type=response
>> >
>> > Tracy, I'm going to try to explain this and hope I make some sense. I 
>> > had
>> > to put ointment in elmo's eyes for conjunctivitis. At the Vet's office, 
>> > we
>> > worked out an alternative technique. for each eye, I started with my 
>> > finger
>> > at the top of the eye, in other words, the upper lid and moved my 
>> > finger
>> > down very carefull which brought down the lower lid. I put the ointment 
>> > in
>> > that way. I hope this made some sense to you.
>> >
>> > Margo and Arrow
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 7:52 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Putting eye ointment
>> >
>> >
>> >> Sorry Tracy, I have no good ideas for you.
>> >>
>> >> The first thing that came to me was to put the ointment on a finger 
>> >> and
>> >> then to put it on the inside of the eyelid, but this probably isn't a 
>> >> good
>> >> idea. Let us know if you find something that works well for you.
>> >>
>> >> Julie
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> >> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 7:46 AM
>> >> Subject: [nagdu] Putting eye ointment
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> I need to put some ointment in Echo's eye twice a day for a couple 
>> >>> weeks.
>> >>> I did good yesterday, but not so good today. I have my husband hold 
>> >>> her
>> >>> head still, then use one hand to pull down on the skin under her eye,
>> >>> hopefully opening it up, then use the other hand to position and 
>> >>> squeeze
>> >>> the tube, trying not to poke her with it. I haven't poked her, but 
>> >>> today
>> >>> I'm not sure I hit the target, either. Oh for that third hand I've
>> >>> always
>> >>> wanted!
>> >>> If anyone has a good method that's better than mine, please share.
>> >>> Tracy
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >>
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>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 15
>> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 22:01:11 -0600
>> > From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> > Message-ID: <auto-000029263916 at fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> > Very interesting good points that is for sure. Yesterday I had to tell 
>> > someone not to whistle at my dogs.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:45 PM
>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> > Hi.
>> >
>> > Here are my edits. You can pick and choose as you like. I would,
>> > however, be interested in seeing an updated version, if you do in fact
>> > incorporate any of these changes into the document.
>> >
>> >
>> > Original:
>> > When you see a guide dog at work you are watching a team with each
>> > partner contributing to the team effort. As the head of the team, the
>> > blind person?s role is to maintain control of the guide dog and to
>> > direct the guide dog to where the handler wants to go. The blind
>> > person does this by giving the dog directional commands, such as
>> > ?Forward?, ?Left?, and ?Right?, which are sometimes accompanied by
>> > hand commands. The guide dog?s role in this partnership is to obey
>> > these commands, except when to do so would place the team in danger.
>> >
>> > My Version:
>> > When you see a guide dog at work, you are watching a team, with each
>> > partner contributing to the team effort. As the head of the team, the
>> > blind person?s role is to maintain control of the guide dog and to
>> > direct the guide dog to where the handler wants to go. The blind
>> > person does this by giving the dog directional commands, such as
>> > ?Forward?, ?Left?, and ?Right?, which are sometimes accompanied by
>> > hand jestures. The guide dog?s role in this partnership is to obey
>> > these commands, except when to do so would place the team in danger.
>> > For example, if a handler were to ask his guide dog to go forward when
>> > there was a sudden drop-off directly ahead, the guide dog would refuse
>> > to obey.
>> >
>> >
>> > original:
>> > 1. It is a violation of state & federal laws to deny access to a
>> > disabled person accompanied by a service animal. This includes stores,
>> > restaurants, taxicabs,
>> > parks, health care facilities, zoos, or any other place the general
>> > public is admitted. The law prohibits public carriers such as buses,
>> > trains, or planes
>> > from refusing to serve a disabled individual accompanied by a service
>> > animal. Furthermore, a disabled person accompanied by a service animal
>> > has the same
>> > rights as other passengers to choose where they sit on such carriers
>> > where no other legally established seating requirements exists.
>> >
>> > my version:
>> > 1. It is a violation of both state & federal law to segrigate or deny
>> > access to a disabled person accompanied by a service animal. These
>> > laws apply to stores, restaurants, taxicabs, parks, health care
>> > facilities, zoos, and any other place the general public is admitted.
>> > The law also prohibits public carriers such as buses, trains, or
>> > planes from refusing to serve a disabled individual accompanied by a
>> > service animal. Furthermore, a disabled person accompanied by a
>> > service animal has the same rights as other passengers to choose where
>> > they sit on such carriers where no other legally established seating
>> > requirements exist.
>> >
>> > Original:
>> > 2. When you meet a guide dog or other service animal in public, it is
>> > working. It is important that others do not interfere with the dog?s
>> > work; therefore,
>> > Never touch a guide dog nor its gear, never call a guide dog by name
>> > or speak to it, and do not intentionally make noises to distract the
>> > dog.
>> >
>> > My version:
>> > 2. When you meet a guide dog or other service animal in public, it is
>> > working. It is important that no one interfere with the dog?s work;
>> > therefore, you should never touch a guide dog nor its gear, never call
>> > or speak to a guide dog, and never intentionally do anything for the
>> > purpose of distracting or getting the dogs attention.
>> >
>> > Original:
>> > 3. Never feed a service dog,? since feeding it may make working the
>> > dog ?? difficult in places where food is present, such as in
>> > restaurants and grocery
>> > stores.
>> >
>> > My version:
>> > 3. Never feed a service dog,? since feeding it may make working the
>> > dog ?? difficult in places where food is present, such as in
>> > restaurants and grocery stores. ?In addition, many dogs can be quite
>> > sensative to certain types of foods, so there is a very real
>> > possibility that you may make the dog ill and unable to work.
>> >
>> > Original:
>> > 6. When giving directions to a blind person, speak to the person. Do
>> > not call the dog or try to get it to follow you. Guide dog users
>> > sometimes use a ?Follow?
>> > command but the blind person will give it. Also, let the blind person
>> > know about turns to be made so the blind person can give the proper
>> > direction to
>> > the dog.
>> >
>> >
>> > My version:
>> > 6. When giving directions to a blind person, speak to the person. Do
>> > not call the dog or try to get it to follow you. Guide dog users
>> > sometimes use a ?Follow? command, but the blind person is the one who
>> > will give this command. Whether the blind person follows you or you
>> > simply tell the blind person where to go, it is important to give
>> > specific directions such as "left" and "right", rather than "over
>> > there" or "thataway".
>> >
>> >
>> > My version:
>> > ??????7. Consistent discipline is key to a successful guide dog team.
>> > Ordinarily, verbal admonitions are used to maintain control. If this
>> > fails it may become necessary for the blind person to use a firm tug
>> > on the leash. This does not hurt the dog; it simply brings the dog's
>> > attention back to its job.
>> >
>> > Original:
>> > You see more blind people on the streets today, not because there are
>> > more of us, but because we have learned to make our own way in the
>> > world. A major
>> > factor in this progress is the National Federation of the Blind, the
>> > oldest & largest organization of the blind. We are blind people
>> > speaking for ourselves
>> > and acting for ourselves, working as equal partners with our sighted 
>> > neighbors.
>> >
>> > My version:
>> > You may have noticed more blind people on the streets today, not
>> > because there are more of us, but because we have learned to make our
>> > own way in the world. A major
>> > factor in this progress has been the National Federation of the Blind,
>> > the oldest & largest organization of the blind. We are blind people
>> > speaking for ourselves
>> > and acting for ourselves, working as equal partners with our sighted 
>> > neighbors.
>> >
>> > Original:
>> > If you found this information interesting, perhaps you know others who
>> > would, as well! Please feel free to pass this on!
>> >
>> >
>> > My version:
>> > If you found this information interesting or helpful, perhaps you know
>> > others who would, as well! Please feel free to pass this on!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hope this helps.
>> >
>> > Looking forward to printing and passing out some of these.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Aaron
>> >
>> > On 5/14/11, Steven Johnson <blinddog3 at charter.net> wrote:
>> >> Let me think on that for a bit. I am thinking that the word public 
>> >> should
>> >> be in the title at some point with a direction leaning toward...
>> >> Understanding the role of Dog Guides in Public
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> >> Behalf
>> >> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:29 PM
>> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >> steve,
>> >> Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
>> >>
>> >> Marion
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>> >> Users'"
>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains 
>> >>> the
>> >>> *essential information* that the general public needs to know. Any 
>> >>> more
>> >>> details would be overkill.
>> >>>
>> >>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
>> >>> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> >>> Behalf
>> >>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> >>> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
>> >>> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing 
>> >>> List
>> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear All,
>> >>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> >>> editing
>> >>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like 
>> >>> the
>> >>> input
>> >>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, 
>> >>> I
>> >>> know
>> >>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is
>> >>> anything
>> >>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would 
>> >>> also
>> >>> like
>> >>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this 
>> >>> piece. My
>> >>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your 
>> >>> feedback
>> >>> before then!
>> >>>
>> >>> Peace!
>> >>> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 16
>> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 21:21:12 -0700
>> > From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> > Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: [nagdu] my suggestions for the brochure
>> > Message-ID:
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>> >
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> > All,
>> >
>> > Attached is a document including my suggestions and changes. My changes 
>> > are
>> > in items 2 and 5.
>> >
>> > I also included Aaron's suggestions.
>> >
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike Hingson
>> >
>> > The?Michael Hingson Group, INC.
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>> >
>> >
>> > for info on the new KNFB Reader?Mobile, visit:
>> > http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
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>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 17
>> > Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 05:47:50 -0400
>> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> > Message-ID: <11BB5D04EE904C4CA65BAC49B8AAA145 at marion27df4b2a>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> > reply-type=response
>> >
>> > Julie,
>> > Great suggestion! I will do my best to get that in there, especially
>> > because it is one of my pet peeves, too! we have an issue with space, 
>> > you
>> > know. I need to keep it short enough for an 8.5 X 11 tri-fold brochure.
>> >
>> > Peace!
>> > Marion
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 7:27 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> >> Could something about ID cards not being required as a condition of 
>> >> access
>> >> be added?
>> >>
>> >> Julie
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> >> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> >> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
>> >> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
>> >> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey" 
>> >> <margo.downey at verizon.net>;
>> >> "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina Thomas"
>> >> <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
>> >> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> >> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear All,
>> >> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> >> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would 
>> >> like
>> >> the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide 
>> >> dog
>> >> user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to know if
>> >> there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might have
>> >> missed! I would also like to know if you have any better suggestions 
>> >> for
>> >> the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final copy is 
>> >> Monday,
>> >> so please offer your feedback before then!
>> >>
>> >> Peace!
>> >> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 18
>> > Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 07:25:40 -0400
>> > From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> > Message-ID: <02d601cc12f2$d256a0e0$6401a8c0 at 8K0FP61>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> > reply-type=original
>> >
>> > Hi, Marion,
>> >
>> > I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
>> > transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
>> > trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised that 
>> > you
>> > did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has suggested
>> > including them either, since so many of our access issues involve taxis 
>> > and
>> > taxi drivers.
>> >
>> > Otherwise, Very good brochure!
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Ann
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> > <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien" 
>> > <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>;
>> > "Toni Whaley" <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
>> > <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina
>> > Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
>> > <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
>> > Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear All,
>> > As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am 
>> > editing
>> > our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the 
>> > input
>> > of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I 
>> > know
>> > what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is 
>> > anything
>> > "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also 
>> > like
>> > to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. 
>> > My
>> > deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your 
>> > feedback
>> > before then!
>> >
>> > Peace!
>> > Marion Gwizdala
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 19
>> > Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:01:42 -0500
>> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: [nagdu] access issue resolved!
>> > Message-ID: <00fd01cc1311$0086d570$0201a8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> > Heya all!
>> >
>> > I was out of town for a business meeting Friday and Saturday. I 
>> > experienced my first access issue at the hotel and wanted to share.
>> >
>> > When I checked into the hotel, the lady at the desk asked for Monty's 
>> > card. I played stupid and asked what card? She insisted that Monty 
>> > should have a card stating that he is a service dog. I told her that no 
>> > ID is necessary and it is illegal for her to ask for it. she insisted 
>> > that the last person that had a service dog in their hotel had a card 
>> > and told them that every service dog has a card and the person must 
>> > show it. *sigh*
>> >
>> > So I explained to her, ever so politely, that she was mistaken, that 
>> > federal law very clearly does not require any sort of ID for the dog. 
>> > She mumbled something about the laws must have changed. It was her way 
>> > of saving face, but I was pissed and having none of it. So I continue 
>> > with my explaination that the laws regarding service dogs and ID have 
>> > been the same for the last 21 years. It then occurs to me that I might 
>> > have copies of these laws buried in my purse. I offer to show her the 
>> > laws.
>> >
>> > I think this was the turning point in the conversation. All the sudden 
>> > she was no longer interested in ID cards or discussions of actual laws. 
>> > She tried to tell me that she wouldn't need an ID card this time and 
>> > that she didn't need to see the laws. This made me even more irritated. 
>> > I wasn't going to leave this mess for the next person to deal with.
>> >
>> > I didn't have copies of the laws in my purse, but I did have the cards 
>> > from Sit-Stay that give general information about service dogs and the 
>> > DOJ toll free phone number. I gave her one of those. She tried to tell 
>> > me that this card was fine. I told her that no, this is not an ID card, 
>> > this is informational only and that anyone can purchase these on the 
>> > internet. She then says that anyone can buy anything on the internet. 
>> > AARGH! Why did she even want to see any sort of card if she freely 
>> > admits that anyone can get one off the internet?
>> >
>> > Anyway that was the end of that. The rest of my hotel stay was 
>> > uneventful. Later I asked the other guide dog user that was there if he 
>> > had any problems with the dog when he checked in. Nope, they didn't say 
>> > a word about the dog. So either I made a dent in their stupidity or the 
>> > staff had changed at the front desk.
>> > This was the first time that I have had any sort of problem with access 
>> > in regard to my guide dogs. I have had people ask the legal questions 
>> > before, but this was the first time someone acted inappropriately. It 
>> > worked out in the end, so that was good.
>> >
>> > Julie
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 20
>> > Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:03:15 -0500
>> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> > Message-ID: <010101cc1311$37f581f0$0201a8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> > reply-type=response
>> >
>> > Marion,
>> >
>> > Thanks! I don't think it needs to be it's own item, just a sentence or
>> > phrase worked in with the part on access denials, I think.
>> >
>> > thanks for all your hard work!
>> > Julie
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:47 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> >> Julie,
>> >> Great suggestion! I will do my best to get that in there, especially
>> >> because it is one of my pet peeves, too! we have an issue with space, 
>> >> you
>> >> know. I need to keep it short enough for an 8.5 X 11 tri-fold 
>> >> brochure.
>> >>
>> >> Peace!
>> >> Marion
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 7:27 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Could something about ID cards not being required as a condition of
>> >>> access be added?
>> >>>
>> >>> Julie
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> >>> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> >>> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
>> >>> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
>> >>> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey" 
>> >>> <margo.downey at verizon.net>;
>> >>> "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina Thomas"
>> >>> <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
>> >>> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear All,
>> >>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> >>> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would
>> >>> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a 
>> >>> guide
>> >>> dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to 
>> >>> know
>> >>> if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might 
>> >>> have
>> >>> missed! I would also like to know if you have any better suggestions 
>> >>> for
>> >>> the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final copy is 
>> >>> Monday,
>> >>> so please offer your feedback before then!
>> >>>
>> >>> Peace!
>> >>> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >>
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 21
>> > Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:22:22 -0500
>> > From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] access issue resolved!
>> > Message-ID: <26045E59-3369-49B0-BE6C-390D37B40EDA at gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>> >
>> > Julie,
>> > aaaaaaaahhhh! I hate being the one coming along after an assistance
>> > dog handler who has flashed their ID and who has misinformed the
>> > business owner/employee about the law. It is a huge pain in the
>> > buttocks.
>> > I really need to get some of those cards from sitstay.
>> > Thank you for taking the time to educate that lady. Hopefully she got
>> > it.
>> >
>> > Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
>> > Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
>> > Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and
>> > taste good with ketchup.
>> > http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
>> > pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> > AIM: lillebriss
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 22
>> > Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:58:51 -0600
>> > From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
>> > Would Not Serve Her
>> > Message-ID: <auto-000783035001 at fe-4.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> > No not yoet, but I asked what would happen if I chose not to comply and 
>> > it was stated that may be I wouldn't be working. I took that as a not 
>> > so suttle threat.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:59 PM
>> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery 
>> > Would Not Serve Her
>> >
>> > Have they come to the point saying you no longer can work for them?
>> > Stand your ground, and make sure you do obedience daily.
>> > Even more than once so your dogs know who the boss is.
>> > They will grow up.
>> > The dogs that is, people well ahem.
>> >
>> > Original message:
>> >> Marion have a situation at work. People seem to think that our new 
>> >> dogs
>> >> aren't behaving the way they think they should and have the right to
>> >> try to direct them. Unfortunately they know next to nothing about 
>> >> guide
>> >> dogs the training or what a dog is capable of. They think that I need
>> >> to comply with there judgment calls. I work very part time and they
>> >> seem to think that dictating how I get to work is there concern. I
>> >> don't agree since i'm pretty sure I'm not covered by there insurance.
>> >> Any suggestions would be helpful.
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:17 AM
>> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
>> >> Would Not Serve Her
>> >
>> >> Sheila,
>> >> I agree with you. I believe society has expectations of how someone of 
>> >> a
>> >> particular class is supposed to act and, when they do not fit into 
>> >> their
>> >> stereotype, confuse assertiveness with aggression. this being said, I 
>> >> also
>> >> believe it is important to handle such situations calmly, yet 
>> >> assertively
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 23
>> > Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:58:48 -0600
>> > From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
>> > Message-ID: <auto-000783034985 at fe-4.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> > Yes, that is great.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Elizabeth Rene <emrene at earthlink.net>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:43 PM
>> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
>> >
>> > Congratulations on winning an NFB scholarship.
>> >
>> > You do us and our dogs proud.
>> >
>> > Elizabeth
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> > End of nagdu Digest, Vol 74, Issue 15
>> > *************************************
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 21
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 17:07:03 -0700
>> From: "Brittney N. Mejico" <brittneymejico at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
>> Message-ID: <5B7C2EADD10248C4A5140A83D57B4D57 at OwnerPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> That's funny!
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Julie McGinnity
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:15 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
>>
>> Oh yes, but when I'm the center of attention my little diva dog will
>> think she needs some of that attention. That's what I've been calling
>> her lately. Of course, many of the things she does on stage that grab
>> attention, a blind person would not notice, so maybe you're right. I
>> should have explained that better. My dog is a big diva. As you know
>> I'm a performance major, and as such, I have to be on stage a lot,
>> which means that Brie also comes on stage. She likes to be dramatic
>> when I am singing. She roles over, or crosses her paws, or flops her
>> head down, all things that don't even phase me, but the sighted
>> audience love it. I'm sure some of you can relate. Lol
>>
>> On 5/15/11, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Julie, I'm thinkin' you are going to be the center of attention. You 
>> > are
>> > getting the scholarship. <Grin>
>> >
>> > CL
>> >
>> > On May 15, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Julie McGinnity wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks guys! You are all awesome, and this list is great!
>> >>
>> >> Brie and I can't wait to go to convention! She just loves to be the
>> >> center of attention. Lol I hope to see many of you there.
>> >>
>> >> On 5/15/11, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
>> >>> Yes, that is great.
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Elizabeth Rene <emrene at earthlink.net>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:43 PM
>> >>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
>> >>>
>> >>> Congratulations on winning an NFB scholarship.
>> >>>
>> >>> You do us and our dogs proud.
>> >>>
>> >>> Elizabeth
>> >>>
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>> >>>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Julie McG
>> >> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
>> >> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>> >> Eyes for the Blind
>> >>
>> >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>> >> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>> >> life."
>> >> John 3:16
>> >>
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>>
>> -- 
>> Julie McG
>> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
>> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>> Eyes for the Blind
>>
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>> life."
>> John 3:16
>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 22
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 20:58:18 -0700
>> From: Mardi Hadfield <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] your critique invited!
>> Message-ID: <BANLkTikReCk1-P1puNjuFE_YvjCMKWUD7g at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Hi Marion, it sounds great but when you get to the part about 
>> interference,
>> rather than use the word "gear", I think you need to spell it all out and
>> say, you should never touch a guide dog,it's leash,or any part of it's
>> harness. I constantly have people trying to pull the leash and pulling on
>> the harness handle.They are usually pulling in the opposite direction 
>> than I
>> am trying to go. I have told them not to touch the "gear" and they say to
>> me, the what? I have to use the word harness as they don't know what gear
>> means. Stupid people! They think gear like on a car transmission. LOL!
>> Mardi and Shaman and Nala,retired.
>>
>> -- 
>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 23
>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 21:00:48 -0700
>> From: Mardi Hadfield <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] way to go Julie!
>> Message-ID: <BANLkTinh-UUL38MijLXAM=HYbHNtN-n9GA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Congratulations Julie! Have a great day, Mardi and Shaman and
>> Nala,retired.
>>
>> -- 
>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 24
>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:22:27 -0600
>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> Message-ID: <auto-000278364435 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Yes, cabs can be difficult. We got a very rude driver that was actually 
>> swearing about our dogs. I began working on filing a cpmplaint but within 
>> two weeks that driver was gone.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chasity Jackson <chasityvanda at charter.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:04 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>
>> This is a bit off topic in regard to the brochure itself. But I agree 
>> Anne
>> with a lot of our issues being with taxi cabs. On Thursday, on my way 
>> home
>> from the store, the operator who answered at the cab company said, "It
>> states when you call that you are visually impaired. You don't have a dog 
>> or
>> anything like that with you do you?" First of all, what does anything 
>> like
>> that with you mean? A service chicken or a service cow? LOL. I didn't 
>> answer
>> his question with a yes or no. Instead, I simply told him that question 
>> was
>> unnecessary and there was no need to ask. He said, "I apologize. But some
>> cab drivers don't like dogs in their cabs." I told him that federal law
>> doesn't go by whether or not a driver likes dogs in his or her cab. He 
>> then
>> quickly apologized and didn't even give it a second thought. I was 
>> curious
>> as to whether my response implied that I was accompanied by a dog. I was
>> curious as to whether or not he just decided to note that I had a dog
>> anyway, because of how I responded. So I called back in about 10 minutes
>> later to check on the status of my cab, as they advise you to do, and 
>> asked
>> what was all noted when my number came up. To my surprise, he did not 
>> note
>> anything about a service dog. I have found, with this cab company in
>> particular, that when some drivers realize I have a dog, they call into 
>> the
>> company and try to have it noted on my file when my number comes up. When 
>> I
>> call in to order a cab, they even say it. It shows here you have a dog, 
>> is
>> this correct? And I say no so they remove it. LOL.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 3:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>
>>
>> > Ann,
>> > I did include taxicabs in the sentence just before the one you cited.
>> >
>> > Marion
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:25 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi, Marion,
>> >>
>> >> I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
>> >> transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the busses,
>> >> trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised 
>> >> that
>> >> you did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has 
>> >> suggested
>> >> including them either, since so many of our access issues involve 
>> >> taxis
>> >> and taxi drivers.
>> >>
>> >> Otherwise, Very good brochure!
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >> Ann
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> >> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> >> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
>> >> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
>> >> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey" 
>> >> <margo.downey at verizon.net>;
>> >> "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina Thomas"
>> >> <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
>> >> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
>> >> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear All,
>> >> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> >> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would
>> >> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a 
>> >> guide
>> >> dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to 
>> >> know
>> >> if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might have
>> >> missed! I would also like to know if you have any better suggestions 
>> >> for
>> >> the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final copy is 
>> >> Monday,
>> >> so please offer your feedback before then!
>> >>
>> >> Peace!
>> >> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 25
>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:22:55 -0400
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Taxicabs
>> Message-ID: <E3298530E52447D3B1484F0E3266277D at marion27df4b2a>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> Chassidy,
>> It is a good idea to call back in five or ten minutes to inquire about
>> the status of the cab. Generally, if one has been dispatched, they will 
>> tell
>> you the cab number. If the cab shows up and either does not pick you up
>> because of the dog or otherwise denies you access, you have the cab 
>> number
>> that was dispatched.
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 6:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>
>>
>> > This is a bit off topic in regard to the brochure itself. But I agree 
>> > Anne
>> > with a lot of our issues being with taxi cabs. On Thursday, on my way 
>> > home
>> > from the store, the operator who answered at the cab company said, "It
>> > states when you call that you are visually impaired. You don't have a 
>> > dog
>> > or anything like that with you do you?" First of all, what does 
>> > anything
>> > like that with you mean? A service chicken or a service cow? LOL. I 
>> > didn't
>> > answer his question with a yes or no. Instead, I simply told him that
>> > question was unnecessary and there was no need to ask. He said, "I
>> > apologize. But some cab drivers don't like dogs in their cabs." I told 
>> > him
>> > that federal law doesn't go by whether or not a driver likes dogs in 
>> > his
>> > or her cab. He then quickly apologized and didn't even give it a second
>> > thought. I was curious as to whether my response implied that I was
>> > accompanied by a dog. I was curious as to whether or not he just 
>> > decided
>> > to note that I had a dog anyway, because of how I responded. So I 
>> > called
>> > back in about 10 minutes later to check on the status of my cab, as 
>> > they
>> > advise you to do, and asked what was all noted when my number came up. 
>> > To
>> > my surprise, he did not note anything about a service dog. I have 
>> > found,
>> > with this cab company in particular, that when some drivers realize I 
>> > have
>> > a dog, they call into the company and try to have it noted on my file 
>> > when
>> > my number comes up. When I call in to order a cab, they even say it. It
>> > shows here you have a dog, is this correct? And I say no so they remove
>> > it. LOL.
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 3:55 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> >> Ann,
>> >> I did include taxicabs in the sentence just before the one you cited.
>> >>
>> >> Marion
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
>> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:25 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Hi, Marion,
>> >>>
>> >>> I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
>> >>> transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the 
>> >>> busses,
>> >>> trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised 
>> >>> that
>> >>> you did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has 
>> >>> suggested
>> >>> including them either, since so many of our access issues involve 
>> >>> taxis
>> >>> and taxi drivers.
>> >>>
>> >>> Otherwise, Very good brochure!
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>> Ann
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> >>> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> >>> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
>> >>> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
>> >>> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
>> >>> <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; 
>> >>> "Tina
>> >>> Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing 
>> >>> List"
>> >>> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
>> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear All,
>> >>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> >>> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would
>> >>> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a
>> >>> guide dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like 
>> >>> to
>> >>> know if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I 
>> >>> might
>> >>> have missed! I would also like to know if you have any better
>> >>> suggestions for the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the 
>> >>> final
>> >>> copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback before then!
>> >>>
>> >>> Peace!
>> >>> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> nagdu mailing list
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>> >>>> nagdu:
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>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 26
>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:33:01 -0400
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] your critique invited!
>> Message-ID: <9B1047B02E6445D9B65DD145184849AB at marion27df4b2a>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> good suggestion! I am submitting the final draft today and will send it 
>> to
>> the list when I do.
>>
>> Marion
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mardi Hadfield" <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] your critique invited!
>>
>>
>> > Hi Marion, it sounds great but when you get to the part about
>> > interference,
>> > rather than use the word "gear", I think you need to spell it all out 
>> > and
>> > say, you should never touch a guide dog,it's leash,or any part of it's
>> > harness. I constantly have people trying to pull the leash and pulling 
>> > on
>> > the harness handle.They are usually pulling in the opposite direction 
>> > than
>> > I
>> > am trying to go. I have told them not to touch the "gear" and they say 
>> > to
>> > me, the what? I have to use the word harness as they don't know what 
>> > gear
>> > means. Stupid people! They think gear like on a car transmission. LOL!
>> > Mardi and Shaman and Nala,retired.
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>> > http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > nagdu mailing list
>> > nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/blind411%40verizon.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 27
>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 11:17:07 -0500
>> From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo at yahoo.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxicabs
>> Message-ID: <013b01cc13e4$ba05df40$2e119dc0$@com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I had a problem several years ago with the cab company, one driver in
>> particular. He picked me up but he made it pretty clear he didn't want 
>> the
>> dog in the cab. He dropped me off at the wrong address, and when I called
>> the cab company to complain, they told me I needed to tell them I had a
>> guide dog, because the cab drivers lease their cabs with this particular
>> company, and they had the right to not want them in their cabs. I didn't
>> know any better regarding laws, so I just told them I had one. Most of 
>> the
>> drivers were cool with it, but this one guy was a total jerk about the 
>> whole
>> thing.
>>
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>> twitter: tlsyslo
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:23 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] Taxicabs
>>
>> Chassidy,
>> It is a good idea to call back in five or ten minutes to inquire about
>> the status of the cab. Generally, if one has been dispatched, they will 
>> tell
>>
>> you the cab number. If the cab shows up and either does not pick you up
>> because of the dog or otherwise denies you access, you have the cab 
>> number
>> that was dispatched.
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 6:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>
>>
>> > This is a bit off topic in regard to the brochure itself. But I agree 
>> > Anne
>>
>> > with a lot of our issues being with taxi cabs. On Thursday, on my way 
>> > home
>>
>> > from the store, the operator who answered at the cab company said, "It
>> > states when you call that you are visually impaired. You don't have a 
>> > dog
>> > or anything like that with you do you?" First of all, what does 
>> > anything
>> > like that with you mean? A service chicken or a service cow? LOL. I 
>> > didn't
>>
>> > answer his question with a yes or no. Instead, I simply told him that
>> > question was unnecessary and there was no need to ask. He said, "I
>> > apologize. But some cab drivers don't like dogs in their cabs." I told 
>> > him
>>
>> > that federal law doesn't go by whether or not a driver likes dogs in 
>> > his
>> > or her cab. He then quickly apologized and didn't even give it a second
>> > thought. I was curious as to whether my response implied that I was
>> > accompanied by a dog. I was curious as to whether or not he just 
>> > decided
>> > to note that I had a dog anyway, because of how I responded. So I 
>> > called
>> > back in about 10 minutes later to check on the status of my cab, as 
>> > they
>> > advise you to do, and asked what was all noted when my number came up. 
>> > To
>> > my surprise, he did not note anything about a service dog. I have 
>> > found,
>> > with this cab company in particular, that when some drivers realize I 
>> > have
>>
>> > a dog, they call into the company and try to have it noted on my file 
>> > when
>>
>> > my number comes up. When I call in to order a cab, they even say it. It
>> > shows here you have a dog, is this correct? And I say no so they remove
>> > it. LOL.
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 3:55 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> >> Ann,
>> >> I did include taxicabs in the sentence just before the one you cited.
>> >>
>> >> Marion
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
>> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:25 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Hi, Marion,
>> >>>
>> >>> I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
>> >>> transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the 
>> >>> busses,
>> >>> trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised 
>> >>> that
>>
>> >>> you did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has 
>> >>> suggested
>>
>> >>> including them either, since so many of our access issues involve 
>> >>> taxis
>> >>> and taxi drivers.
>> >>>
>> >>> Otherwise, Very good brochure!
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>> Ann
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> >>> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> >>> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
>> >>> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
>> >>> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
>> >>> <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; 
>> >>> "Tina
>> >>> Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing 
>> >>> List"
>> >>> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
>> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear All,
>> >>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> >>> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would
>> >>> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a
>> >>> guide dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like 
>> >>> to
>>
>> >>> know if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I 
>> >>> might
>> >>> have missed! I would also like to know if you have any better
>> >>> suggestions for the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the 
>> >>> final
>>
>> >>> copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback before then!
>> >>>
>> >>> Peace!
>> >>> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> Message: 28
>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 11:28:10 -0500
>> From: Wayne Merritt <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxicabs
>> Message-ID: <BANLkTin6++UD-2tKz18==cHfwHN9Ucn+nw at mail.gmail.com>
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>> Also, while knowing the cab's number is good, many cab companies
>> automatically log each cab that is dispatched. So if you ever do have
>> a problem, if you call back the same day, you can give them the time
>> you called initially and ask them to look up the cab number. I would
>> only use this technique if it were later in the same day as the issue
>> or perhaps the day after. Any longer than that, you might run against
>> the situation of the cab company clearing out their logs. I don't know
>> how long they keep logs though.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 5/16/11, Terra Syslo <tlsyslo at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > I had a problem several years ago with the cab company, one driver in
>> > particular. He picked me up but he made it pretty clear he didn't want 
>> > the
>> > dog in the cab. He dropped me off at the wrong address, and when I 
>> > called
>> > the cab company to complain, they told me I needed to tell them I had a
>> > guide dog, because the cab drivers lease their cabs with this 
>> > particular
>> > company, and they had the right to not want them in their cabs. I 
>> > didn't
>> > know any better regarding laws, so I just told them I had one. Most of 
>> > the
>> > drivers were cool with it, but this one guy was a total jerk about the 
>> > whole
>> > thing.
>> >
>> > Check out my groups: blindshoppers-subscribe at yahoogroups.com and
>> > blindrecipeexchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>> > Email, Facebook and Windows Messenger: tlsyslo at yahoo.com
>> > twitter: tlsyslo
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> > Behalf
>> > Of Marion Gwizdala
>> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:23 AM
>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> > Subject: [nagdu] Taxicabs
>> >
>> > Chassidy,
>> > It is a good idea to call back in five or ten minutes to inquire about
>> > the status of the cab. Generally, if one has been dispatched, they will 
>> > tell
>> >
>> > you the cab number. If the cab shows up and either does not pick you up
>> > because of the dog or otherwise denies you access, you have the cab 
>> > number
>> > that was dispatched.
>> >
>> > Fraternally yours,
>> > Marion
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 6:04 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> >> This is a bit off topic in regard to the brochure itself. But I agree 
>> >> Anne
>> >
>> >> with a lot of our issues being with taxi cabs. On Thursday, on my way 
>> >> home
>> >
>> >> from the store, the operator who answered at the cab company said, "It
>> >> states when you call that you are visually impaired. You don't have a 
>> >> dog
>> >> or anything like that with you do you?" First of all, what does 
>> >> anything
>> >> like that with you mean? A service chicken or a service cow? LOL. I 
>> >> didn't
>> >
>> >> answer his question with a yes or no. Instead, I simply told him that
>> >> question was unnecessary and there was no need to ask. He said, "I
>> >> apologize. But some cab drivers don't like dogs in their cabs." I told 
>> >> him
>> >
>> >> that federal law doesn't go by whether or not a driver likes dogs in 
>> >> his
>> >> or her cab. He then quickly apologized and didn't even give it a 
>> >> second
>> >> thought. I was curious as to whether my response implied that I was
>> >> accompanied by a dog. I was curious as to whether or not he just 
>> >> decided
>> >> to note that I had a dog anyway, because of how I responded. So I 
>> >> called
>> >> back in about 10 minutes later to check on the status of my cab, as 
>> >> they
>> >> advise you to do, and asked what was all noted when my number came up. 
>> >> To
>> >> my surprise, he did not note anything about a service dog. I have 
>> >> found,
>> >> with this cab company in particular, that when some drivers realize I 
>> >> have
>> >
>> >> a dog, they call into the company and try to have it noted on my file 
>> >> when
>> >
>> >> my number comes up. When I call in to order a cab, they even say it. 
>> >> It
>> >> shows here you have a dog, is this correct? And I say no so they 
>> >> remove
>> >> it. LOL.
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 3:55 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Ann,
>> >>> I did include taxicabs in the sentence just before the one you cited.
>> >>>
>> >>> Marion
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
>> >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:25 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi, Marion,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
>> >>>> transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the 
>> >>>> busses,
>> >>>> trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised 
>> >>>> that
>> >
>> >>>> you did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has 
>> >>>> suggested
>> >
>> >>>> including them either, since so many of our access issues involve 
>> >>>> taxis
>> >>>> and taxi drivers.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Otherwise, Very good brochure!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>> Ann
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> >>>> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> >>>> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
>> >>>> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
>> >>>> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
>> >>>> <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; 
>> >>>> "Tina
>> >>>> Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing 
>> >>>> List"
>> >>>> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
>> >>>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dear All,
>> >>>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> >>>> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and 
>> >>>> would
>> >>>> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a
>> >>>> guide dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would 
>> >>>> like to
>> >
>> >>>> know if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I 
>> >>>> might
>> >>>> have missed! I would also like to know if you have any better
>> >>>> suggestions for the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the 
>> >>>> final
>> >
>> >>>> copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback before then!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Peace!
>> >>>> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> >>>>
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>>
>> Message: 29
>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:53:42 -0400
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxicabs
>> Message-ID: <83DB4CCA38F44D54944B5E18DBC71D7F at marion27df4b2a>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Terra,
>> The assertion that the company is not responsible for the actions of
>> their drivers is contradicted by United States v. Yellow cab of Broward
>> County. In this decision, the company was ordered to pay punitive &
>> compensatory damages of about $12,500 for denying access to a blind 
>> person
>> accompanied by a service animal, despite the fact that the driver was an
>> independent contractor who leased the vehicle.
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo at yahoo.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 12:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxicabs
>>
>>
>> >I had a problem several years ago with the cab company, one driver in
>> > particular. He picked me up but he made it pretty clear he didn't want 
>> > the
>> > dog in the cab. He dropped me off at the wrong address, and when I 
>> > called
>> > the cab company to complain, they told me I needed to tell them I had a
>> > guide dog, because the cab drivers lease their cabs with this 
>> > particular
>> > company, and they had the right to not want them in their cabs. I 
>> > didn't
>> > know any better regarding laws, so I just told them I had one. Most of 
>> > the
>> > drivers were cool with it, but this one guy was a total jerk about the
>> > whole
>> > thing.
>> >
>> > Check out my groups: blindshoppers-subscribe at yahoogroups.com and
>> > blindrecipeexchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>> > Email, Facebook and Windows Messenger: tlsyslo at yahoo.com
>> > twitter: tlsyslo
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> > Behalf
>> > Of Marion Gwizdala
>> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:23 AM
>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> > Subject: [nagdu] Taxicabs
>> >
>> > Chassidy,
>> > It is a good idea to call back in five or ten minutes to inquire about
>> > the status of the cab. Generally, if one has been dispatched, they will
>> > tell
>> >
>> > you the cab number. If the cab shows up and either does not pick you up
>> > because of the dog or otherwise denies you access, you have the cab 
>> > number
>> > that was dispatched.
>> >
>> > Fraternally yours,
>> > Marion
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 6:04 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >
>> >
>> >> This is a bit off topic in regard to the brochure itself. But I agree
>> >> Anne
>> >
>> >> with a lot of our issues being with taxi cabs. On Thursday, on my way
>> >> home
>> >
>> >> from the store, the operator who answered at the cab company said, "It
>> >> states when you call that you are visually impaired. You don't have a 
>> >> dog
>> >> or anything like that with you do you?" First of all, what does 
>> >> anything
>> >> like that with you mean? A service chicken or a service cow? LOL. I
>> >> didn't
>> >
>> >> answer his question with a yes or no. Instead, I simply told him that
>> >> question was unnecessary and there was no need to ask. He said, "I
>> >> apologize. But some cab drivers don't like dogs in their cabs." I told
>> >> him
>> >
>> >> that federal law doesn't go by whether or not a driver likes dogs in 
>> >> his
>> >> or her cab. He then quickly apologized and didn't even give it a 
>> >> second
>> >> thought. I was curious as to whether my response implied that I was
>> >> accompanied by a dog. I was curious as to whether or not he just 
>> >> decided
>> >> to note that I had a dog anyway, because of how I responded. So I 
>> >> called
>> >> back in about 10 minutes later to check on the status of my cab, as 
>> >> they
>> >> advise you to do, and asked what was all noted when my number came up. 
>> >> To
>> >> my surprise, he did not note anything about a service dog. I have 
>> >> found,
>> >> with this cab company in particular, that when some drivers realize I
>> >> have
>> >
>> >> a dog, they call into the company and try to have it noted on my file
>> >> when
>> >
>> >> my number comes up. When I call in to order a cab, they even say it. 
>> >> It
>> >> shows here you have a dog, is this correct? And I say no so they 
>> >> remove
>> >> it. LOL.
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 3:55 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Ann,
>> >>> I did include taxicabs in the sentence just before the one you cited.
>> >>>
>> >>> Marion
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >>> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
>> >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:25 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi, Marion,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public
>> >>>> transportation, you specifically mention taxis, as well as the 
>> >>>> busses,
>> >>>> trains, and planes that you have already included. I was surprised
>> >>>> that
>> >
>> >>>> you did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has
>> >>>> suggested
>> >
>> >>>> including them either, since so many of our access issues involve 
>> >>>> taxis
>> >>>> and taxi drivers.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Otherwise, Very good brochure!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>> Ann
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> >>>> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> >>>> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien"
>> >>>> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley"
>> >>>> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
>> >>>> <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; 
>> >>>> "Tina
>> >>>> Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing 
>> >>>> List"
>> >>>> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
>> >>>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dear All,
>> >>>> As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>> >>>> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and 
>> >>>> would
>> >>>> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a
>> >>>> guide dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would 
>> >>>> like
>> >>>> to
>> >
>> >>>> know if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I 
>> >>>> might
>> >>>> have missed! I would also like to know if you have any better
>> >>>> suggestions for the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the
>> >>>> final
>> >
>> >>>> copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback before then!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Peace!
>> >>>> Marion Gwizdala
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > ----
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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