[nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened

Wed Nov 2 02:07:32 UTC 2011

Julie,

Yeah, and how successful have you ever been at explaining to anyone how 
it is that you owner-trained because you didn't have time to go off to 
guide dog school for a month? /lol/ I never have managed to do it, so 
I'm curious if you have. /lol/

Well, when I do end up going through a program, then time away from 
work, life, the old age home, whatever, will be a factor in choosing a 
school. And it is something to work out. But I'm not sure how much of a 
sticking point it would be, either. I can see how valuable the 4 week 
program would be for learning as much as possible. Still, I would prefer 
home training, but I don't know if I would be unqualified because I 
would be a first-timer due to having owner-trained... I figure I'll find 
out one of these days. /grin/

On 10/31/2011 02:04 PM, Julie J. wrote:
> William,
>
> Honestly I am baffled at what uproar you are speaking of? I've seen a
> lot of uproar on this list over the years. the current discussion hasn't
> even left the realm of pleasant conversation.
>
> I think when people speak of taking off extended time from work, they
> are not speaking specifically of TSE, but generally about all guide dog
> schools. With the exception of GDB and the few programs that offer home
> training, it is quite a large chunk of time off of work to attend a
> guide dog program. Sure there is a bit of variety in exactly how many
> days, but not by much.
>
> One of the reasons I have not attended a guide dog program is the length
> of time necessary away from my responsibilities at home. Certainly
> when/if I attend a guide dog program the time away will be a major
> factor in my decision. Home training is only offered at a very few
> programs for first time students. Of the programs that do offer home
> training, many have specific requirements that you must meet, meaning
> they do not offer home training just because you want it.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/31/2011 3:01 PM, William Burley wrote:
>> Hi Tracy.
>>
>> I really don't see where there is disagreement. What I said is that for
>> those who have work issues, they can request home training. This is not a
>> difficult proposition to request through SE. No matter the timeframe, the
>> option is there so I am still a little baffled at why folks are in what
>> appears to be dire straits about this change.
>>
>> We also both agree that it's not the end of the world. So I pleasantly
>> disagree about us disagreeing *smile*
>>
>> I'm just a bit confused as to why people are creating all these dire
>> options
>> when they haven't even gotten the full scoop from SE.
>>
>> Again, I doubt SE is doing things exactly as they did even 10 years
>> ago. As
>> long as it is not detrimental to the training experience and other
>> personal
>> factors, I don't see what the uproar is. And I'm not directing that at
>> you.
>> I'm speaking of the arguments themselves with lack of accompanying facts.
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Tracy Carcione
>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 1:06 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>>
>> Hi William.
>> I disagree. Getting back on a Tuesday instead of a Thursday would make a
>> difference to me. On Tuesday, I'd probably work the rest of the week. On
>> Thursday, I'd probably figure the week was already lost, so I'd take
>> Friday as well.
>> Not the end of my world either way, but I expect my boss would rather
>> have
>> those 3 extra days from me than not.
>>
>> And if I had the bad luck to not have a dog work out, and have to go back
>> way too soon, I think I'd work hard to get home training. 3 weeks off
>> every 8 or 9 years is workable. Twice in a year or two I think would be a
>> problem.
>> Tracy
>>
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> I am really enjoying this conversation and it reminds me that change is
>>> something that comes with great difficulty in most instances.
>>>
>>> While I understand the discussions about the impact of training with
>>> a new
>>> guide as it relates to career, I am finding it hard to rationalize how
>>> going
>>> home on a Tuesday rather than Thursday, in the case of the Seeing Eye
>>> training schedule, will make much difference. If you move the two days
>>> off
>>> the end, that will be toward the end of your training and you still have
>>> missed a substantial amount of work. I would find it a little
>>> unrealistic
>>> to think if that employer did decide to allow you to go to training
>>> that a
>>> two day earlier return would be the determining factor in whether you
>>> keep
>>> your job or not. If it were to that point, you would know it before
>>> going
>>> to training in the first place.
>>>
>>> Please, please note that when I say you I am using it in the general
>>> sense.
>>> I don't want anyone thinking I am singling them out because I am not.
>>>
>>> I just think the issues that are being raised are easily dealt with by
>>> talking with both your employer and the Seeing Eye...especially since
>>> they
>>> offer home training. There are options other than always taking a month
>>> off
>>> from work...or as a retrain, 18 days with the new schedule.
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
>>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:53 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>>>
>>> Exactly. I could probably be away from work for a month, I did it when I
>>> had
>>> my daughter. Still, I do need to ask myself from a career perspective if
>>> it
>>> is worth doing to get a guide dog. And the answer is that while I did it
>>> once, I'm not sure I'd do it again. A month is a long time. I worry
>>> about
>>> the impact on my career should I have a match not work out or the dog
>>> not
>>> be
>>> able to work soon after coming home.
>>> I had to sell my work on why and how a dog would help me be a more
>>> effective
>>> employee. It was very stressful.
>>>
>>> Likewise, everybody understands having a baby, though I did see some
>>> disparty in that v. what my male coworkers are asked, mostly I was asked
>>> repeatedly when I would "go on maternity leave". I pointed out that they
>>> don't ask the guys when they will have heart attack, break bones,
>>> roll off
>>> their bikes, and that they would deal with it just fine when I called
>>> and
>>> said "I'm taking leave now".
>>> I think some of this is a disparty in the same process fits many people,
>>> but
>>> people get bogged in who v. what and that muddies things.
>>> I also know that I couldn't be away from my daughter for a month. She
>>> needs
>>> me in a way work never has.
>>> I am not yet ready for another dog. I don't know when or if I will be. I
>>> do
>>> know that the being away from home leans me toward the "no" side of the
>>> house.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Shannon L. Dillon
>>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:35 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with taking less time out of the work week for training and also
>>> for
>>> providing in-home schedules for students. We need to continue to remind
>>> schools how important those alternatives are to us so that we can
>>> have our
>>> guide dogs but maintain employment and families.
>>> SHANNON L. DILLON
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:02:41 -0400
>>>> From: carcione at access.net
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>>>>
>>>> Hi Sam.
>>>> If you're so moved, you might write to TSE and tell them how you
>>>> feel. I
>>>> wrote to gradservices, myself. I've heard of instances before when TSE
>>>> changed things because graduates spoke up.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>> I agree. It makes sense to leave a few days early, as that would put
>>>> you
>>>>> close to the begining of a work week. I thought about posting that on
>>>>> the TSE list, but let's just say that things are at the point where
>>>> I'm
>>>>> not willing to get in the middle of these arguments. Based on how
>>>> things
>>>>> are going with everything on there, I figure it is better to stay
>>> neutral.
>>>>> On 10/30/2011 10:23 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>>>>>> I'm glad class is a little shorter, but I'm a bit annoyed that it's
>>>> the
>>>>>> weekend they've cut off. For me, arranging time off work is the
>>>> hardest
>>>>>> part of getting ready for class. I would be a lot happier if they'd
>>>>>> start
>>>>>> on Saturday and drop a couple workdays at the end. Am I the only
>>>> person
>>>>>> who feels this way?
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that there is just a little less down time. That was the
>>> length
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> my last class; I thought it was more challenging, or invigorating.
>>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Jewel wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What effect, if any, will this have on the training sessions? It
>>> seems
>>>>>>>> it gives people less time to get acclimated to the area, but do
>>> people
>>>>>>>> need that extra time?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Curious,
>>>>>>>> Jewel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/29/11, Margo and Arrow<margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "The Seeing Eye, Inc."<noreply at seeingeye.org>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Margo Downey"<margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 2:11 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Graduates,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At The Seeing Eye, we've always been committed to serving our
>>>>>>>>> students
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the best way possible. Over the years, many students have asked if
>>> it
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be possible to have a shorter stay here in order to return to
>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> friends,
>>>>>>>>> families, and jobs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In response, we've streamlined our training process in order to
>>> allow
>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>> students to get home as quickly as possible. Starting with our
>>>> first
>>>>>>>>> class
>>>>>>>>> in January, we will be able to reduce the time students spend on
>>>>>>>>> campus
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> two days. Instead of arriving Saturday, students will now arrive
>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>>>>> This will enable you to return home in two fewer days - retraining
>>>>>>>>> students
>>>>>>>>> will stay for 18 days, and new students for 25 days.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Information on the updated class dates for 2012 can be found at:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.SeeingEye.org/Schedule
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David Johnson
>>>>>>>>> Director of Instruction& Training
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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