[nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
Julie J.
julielj at neb.rr.com
Wed Nov 2 13:02:26 UTC 2011
Tami,
Mostly I don't bother explaining to people why I owner train. It does
come up from time to time though. Generally I tell them that I owner
train because I wanted to. I haven't yet had someone come up with some
counter to that! *smile*
As for home training...it depends on the program. Some are more
comfortable with the concept of owner training and offer home training
more freely. Shoot for that sort if you're wanting home training from a
program next time around. Other programs only offer home training in
very specific situations of which I have not been able to determine.
They tell me it's on a case by case basis when I've asked. I think
it's possible to get owner training as a first time program handler, you
will just have to explain your situation and advocate for yourself. At
least that is my impression from the inquiries I've made. I hope it
remains that way when I'm ready for my next dog.
Today I'm leaning toward a program for my next dog. That is a long way
off and much will have changed by then. So who knows? I change my mind
about every other week! LOL Also Kiddo will be out of school by then,
depending on my work situation I may be able to swing going away. I
don't know, my crystal ball is broken! *smile* I like pondering the
options though.
Julie
On 11/1/2011 9:07 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
> Julie,
>
> Yeah, and how successful have you ever been at explaining to anyone
> how it is that you owner-trained because you didn't have time to go
> off to guide dog school for a month? /lol/ I never have managed to do
> it, so I'm curious if you have. /lol/
>
> Well, when I do end up going through a program, then time away from
> work, life, the old age home, whatever, will be a factor in choosing a
> school. And it is something to work out. But I'm not sure how much of
> a sticking point it would be, either. I can see how valuable the 4
> week program would be for learning as much as possible. Still, I would
> prefer home training, but I don't know if I would be unqualified
> because I would be a first-timer due to having owner-trained... I
> figure I'll find out one of these days. /grin/
>
> On 10/31/2011 02:04 PM, Julie J. wrote:
>> William,
>>
>> Honestly I am baffled at what uproar you are speaking of? I've seen a
>> lot of uproar on this list over the years. the current discussion hasn't
>> even left the realm of pleasant conversation.
>>
>> I think when people speak of taking off extended time from work, they
>> are not speaking specifically of TSE, but generally about all guide dog
>> schools. With the exception of GDB and the few programs that offer home
>> training, it is quite a large chunk of time off of work to attend a
>> guide dog program. Sure there is a bit of variety in exactly how many
>> days, but not by much.
>>
>> One of the reasons I have not attended a guide dog program is the length
>> of time necessary away from my responsibilities at home. Certainly
>> when/if I attend a guide dog program the time away will be a major
>> factor in my decision. Home training is only offered at a very few
>> programs for first time students. Of the programs that do offer home
>> training, many have specific requirements that you must meet, meaning
>> they do not offer home training just because you want it.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/31/2011 3:01 PM, William Burley wrote:
>>> Hi Tracy.
>>>
>>> I really don't see where there is disagreement. What I said is that for
>>> those who have work issues, they can request home training. This is
>>> not a
>>> difficult proposition to request through SE. No matter the
>>> timeframe, the
>>> option is there so I am still a little baffled at why folks are in what
>>> appears to be dire straits about this change.
>>>
>>> We also both agree that it's not the end of the world. So I pleasantly
>>> disagree about us disagreeing *smile*
>>>
>>> I'm just a bit confused as to why people are creating all these dire
>>> options
>>> when they haven't even gotten the full scoop from SE.
>>>
>>> Again, I doubt SE is doing things exactly as they did even 10 years
>>> ago. As
>>> long as it is not detrimental to the training experience and other
>>> personal
>>> factors, I don't see what the uproar is. And I'm not directing that at
>>> you.
>>> I'm speaking of the arguments themselves with lack of accompanying
>>> facts.
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Tracy Carcione
>>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 1:06 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>>>
>>> Hi William.
>>> I disagree. Getting back on a Tuesday instead of a Thursday would
>>> make a
>>> difference to me. On Tuesday, I'd probably work the rest of the
>>> week. On
>>> Thursday, I'd probably figure the week was already lost, so I'd take
>>> Friday as well.
>>> Not the end of my world either way, but I expect my boss would rather
>>> have
>>> those 3 extra days from me than not.
>>>
>>> And if I had the bad luck to not have a dog work out, and have to go
>>> back
>>> way too soon, I think I'd work hard to get home training. 3 weeks off
>>> every 8 or 9 years is workable. Twice in a year or two I think would
>>> be a
>>> problem.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>> Hi all.
>>>>
>>>> I am really enjoying this conversation and it reminds me that
>>>> change is
>>>> something that comes with great difficulty in most instances.
>>>>
>>>> While I understand the discussions about the impact of training with
>>>> a new
>>>> guide as it relates to career, I am finding it hard to rationalize how
>>>> going
>>>> home on a Tuesday rather than Thursday, in the case of the Seeing Eye
>>>> training schedule, will make much difference. If you move the two days
>>>> off
>>>> the end, that will be toward the end of your training and you still
>>>> have
>>>> missed a substantial amount of work. I would find it a little
>>>> unrealistic
>>>> to think if that employer did decide to allow you to go to training
>>>> that a
>>>> two day earlier return would be the determining factor in whether you
>>>> keep
>>>> your job or not. If it were to that point, you would know it before
>>>> going
>>>> to training in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> Please, please note that when I say you I am using it in the general
>>>> sense.
>>>> I don't want anyone thinking I am singling them out because I am not.
>>>>
>>>> I just think the issues that are being raised are easily dealt with by
>>>> talking with both your employer and the Seeing Eye...especially since
>>>> they
>>>> offer home training. There are options other than always taking a
>>>> month
>>>> off
>>>> from work...or as a retrain, 18 days with the new schedule.
>>>>
>>>> William Burley
>>>> William.burley3 at gmail.com
>>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:53 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>>>>
>>>> Exactly. I could probably be away from work for a month, I did it
>>>> when I
>>>> had
>>>> my daughter. Still, I do need to ask myself from a career
>>>> perspective if
>>>> it
>>>> is worth doing to get a guide dog. And the answer is that while I
>>>> did it
>>>> once, I'm not sure I'd do it again. A month is a long time. I worry
>>>> about
>>>> the impact on my career should I have a match not work out or the dog
>>>> not
>>>> be
>>>> able to work soon after coming home.
>>>> I had to sell my work on why and how a dog would help me be a more
>>>> effective
>>>> employee. It was very stressful.
>>>>
>>>> Likewise, everybody understands having a baby, though I did see some
>>>> disparty in that v. what my male coworkers are asked, mostly I was
>>>> asked
>>>> repeatedly when I would "go on maternity leave". I pointed out that
>>>> they
>>>> don't ask the guys when they will have heart attack, break bones,
>>>> roll off
>>>> their bikes, and that they would deal with it just fine when I called
>>>> and
>>>> said "I'm taking leave now".
>>>> I think some of this is a disparty in the same process fits many
>>>> people,
>>>> but
>>>> people get bogged in who v. what and that muddies things.
>>>> I also know that I couldn't be away from my daughter for a month. She
>>>> needs
>>>> me in a way work never has.
>>>> I am not yet ready for another dog. I don't know when or if I will
>>>> be. I
>>>> do
>>>> know that the being away from home leans me toward the "no" side of
>>>> the
>>>> house.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Shannon L. Dillon
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:35 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree with taking less time out of the work week for training and
>>>> also
>>>> for
>>>> providing in-home schedules for students. We need to continue to
>>>> remind
>>>> schools how important those alternatives are to us so that we can
>>>> have our
>>>> guide dogs but maintain employment and families.
>>>> SHANNON L. DILLON
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:02:41 -0400
>>>>> From: carcione at access.net
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sam.
>>>>> If you're so moved, you might write to TSE and tell them how you
>>>>> feel. I
>>>>> wrote to gradservices, myself. I've heard of instances before when
>>>>> TSE
>>>>> changed things because graduates spoke up.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>> I agree. It makes sense to leave a few days early, as that would put
>>>>> you
>>>>>> close to the begining of a work week. I thought about posting
>>>>>> that on
>>>>>> the TSE list, but let's just say that things are at the point where
>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> not willing to get in the middle of these arguments. Based on how
>>>>> things
>>>>>> are going with everything on there, I figure it is better to stay
>>>> neutral.
>>>>>> On 10/30/2011 10:23 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm glad class is a little shorter, but I'm a bit annoyed that it's
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> weekend they've cut off. For me, arranging time off work is the
>>>>> hardest
>>>>>>> part of getting ready for class. I would be a lot happier if they'd
>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>> on Saturday and drop a couple workdays at the end. Am I the only
>>>>> person
>>>>>>> who feels this way?
>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think that there is just a little less down time. That was the
>>>> length
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> my last class; I thought it was more challenging, or invigorating.
>>>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Jewel wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What effect, if any, will this have on the training sessions? It
>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>> it gives people less time to get acclimated to the area, but do
>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> need that extra time?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Curious,
>>>>>>>>> Jewel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/29/11, Margo and Arrow<margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "The Seeing Eye, Inc."<noreply at seeingeye.org>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Margo Downey"<margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 2:11 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Graduates,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At The Seeing Eye, we've always been committed to serving our
>>>>>>>>>> students
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> the best way possible. Over the years, many students have
>>>>>>>>>> asked if
>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be possible to have a shorter stay here in order to return to
>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> friends,
>>>>>>>>>> families, and jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In response, we've streamlined our training process in order to
>>>> allow
>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>> students to get home as quickly as possible. Starting with our
>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>> class
>>>>>>>>>> in January, we will be able to reduce the time students spend on
>>>>>>>>>> campus
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> two days. Instead of arriving Saturday, students will now arrive
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>>>>>> This will enable you to return home in two fewer days -
>>>>>>>>>> retraining
>>>>>>>>>> students
>>>>>>>>>> will stay for 18 days, and new students for 25 days.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Information on the updated class dates for 2012 can be found at:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.SeeingEye.org/Schedule
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David Johnson
>>>>>>>>>> Director of Instruction& Training
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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