[nagdu] Why good O&M training is so important

[Cindy Ray]

Where do you get it? Or did I ask that already. <Giggle>

CL

On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Hey Cindy,
> 
> There's a great plugin for Safari called Click2flash. Install it, and it can show Youtube videos with accessible buttons to play them. Works with Audible and some other things as well. 
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 2, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
> 
>> There are lots of good signals out there. You don't have roto have chirps and cuckoos. As for me, my Mac doesn't seem to want me to watch this. I may have to try to watch on the phone.
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Jewel wrote:
>> 
>>> If all signals were like the one shown in this video, i would advocate
>>> for NO audible signals. THat tone would definitely get in the way of
>>> my listening to traffic and I'd be afraid to cross that street because
>>> I can't hear traffic.
>>> 
>>> Luckily, not all audible signal are like that, and i can listen to the
>>> chirp tha tindicates it's my turn
>>> 
>>> On 11/2/11, Julie Phillipson <jbrew48 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> Aaron there is a huge problem in New York City where they are changing how
>>>> the lights at intersections work and it is causing lots of problems for
>>>> blind people because, as I understand it,  it changes one or two lanes of
>>>> traffic that stops traffic, giving pedestrians 30 seconds more time to cross
>>>> before stopping the other lanes of traffic and there is no way for the blind
>>>> person to know when they can start crossing.  They are changing something
>>>> like 15,000  intersections to work like this.
>>>> Therefore it is a case where NFb of New York is supporting the need for
>>>> APS's.  There is a coalition of several disability groups that have been
>>>> working on this.  This trend is spreading to other area's too.  although it
>>>> may look like this guy doesn't have good mobility skills it isn't
>>>> necessarily the case.  May be Cheryl E. can describe this better since she
>>>> lives in the area.
>>>> Julie Phillipson
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Aaron Cannon" <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:17 AM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Why good O&M training is so important
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> This video posted on the Yahoo Accessibility blog seeks to demonstrate
>>>>> the need for accessible crossing signals.  However, in my opinion it
>>>>> manages to do just the opposite quite nicely.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://yaccessibilityblog.com/wp/blind-people-cross-street.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> I find it troubling that he talks about needing the signal "to
>>>>> indicate that it's safe for me to cross the street."  Even worse is
>>>>> his comment "I don't have to listen for the traffic coming the other
>>>>> way, I can just listen to the tone."
>>>>> 
>>>>> He also calls crossing without a signal "daunting" and "scary".
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can understand that such crossings can be quite daunting and scary
>>>>> if you don't have good training or practice making such crossings, so
>>>>> I don't really fault him for that.  However, I fear that people,
>>>>> especially other blind people, watching this video will assume that
>>>>> that's how it is for everyone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Finally, I do think that accessible signals can have their place, but
>>>>> certainly not the type shown in this video, which seem like they could
>>>>> actually interfere with listening to the traffic.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway, I just thought I'd share.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aaron Cannon
>>>>> 
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