[nagdu] Why good O&M training is so important

Buddy Brannan buddy at brannan.name
Thu Nov 3 02:09:13 UTC 2011


Good question. I got it ages ago, I'll look and get back with you.
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Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



On Nov 2, 2011, at 9:42 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:

> Where do you get it? Or did I ask that already. <Giggle>
> 
> CL
> 
> On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> 
>> Hey Cindy,
>> 
>> There's a great plugin for Safari called Click2flash. Install it, and it can show Youtube videos with accessible buttons to play them. Works with Audible and some other things as well. 
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>> 
>>> There are lots of good signals out there. You don't have roto have chirps and cuckoos. As for me, my Mac doesn't seem to want me to watch this. I may have to try to watch on the phone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Jewel wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If all signals were like the one shown in this video, i would advocate
>>>> for NO audible signals. THat tone would definitely get in the way of
>>>> my listening to traffic and I'd be afraid to cross that street because
>>>> I can't hear traffic.
>>>> 
>>>> Luckily, not all audible signal are like that, and i can listen to the
>>>> chirp tha tindicates it's my turn
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/2/11, Julie Phillipson <jbrew48 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Aaron there is a huge problem in New York City where they are changing how
>>>>> the lights at intersections work and it is causing lots of problems for
>>>>> blind people because, as I understand it,  it changes one or two lanes of
>>>>> traffic that stops traffic, giving pedestrians 30 seconds more time to cross
>>>>> before stopping the other lanes of traffic and there is no way for the blind
>>>>> person to know when they can start crossing.  They are changing something
>>>>> like 15,000  intersections to work like this.
>>>>> Therefore it is a case where NFb of New York is supporting the need for
>>>>> APS's.  There is a coalition of several disability groups that have been
>>>>> working on this.  This trend is spreading to other area's too.  although it
>>>>> may look like this guy doesn't have good mobility skills it isn't
>>>>> necessarily the case.  May be Cheryl E. can describe this better since she
>>>>> lives in the area.
>>>>> Julie Phillipson
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Aaron Cannon" <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:17 AM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Why good O&M training is so important
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> This video posted on the Yahoo Accessibility blog seeks to demonstrate
>>>>>> the need for accessible crossing signals.  However, in my opinion it
>>>>>> manages to do just the opposite quite nicely.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://yaccessibilityblog.com/wp/blind-people-cross-street.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I find it troubling that he talks about needing the signal "to
>>>>>> indicate that it's safe for me to cross the street."  Even worse is
>>>>>> his comment "I don't have to listen for the traffic coming the other
>>>>>> way, I can just listen to the tone."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> He also calls crossing without a signal "daunting" and "scary".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can understand that such crossings can be quite daunting and scary
>>>>>> if you don't have good training or practice making such crossings, so
>>>>>> I don't really fault him for that.  However, I fear that people,
>>>>>> especially other blind people, watching this video will assume that
>>>>>> that's how it is for everyone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Finally, I do think that accessible signals can have their place, but
>>>>>> certainly not the type shown in this video, which seem like they could
>>>>>> actually interfere with listening to the traffic.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyway, I just thought I'd share.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Aaron Cannon
>>>>>> 
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