[nagdu] Service Dog Removal

[Tami Kinney]

Larry,

I like how you describe your observations and approach.

When I'm talking to business owners, either because they are asking 
general questions outside of the business environment in some social 
setting or in the course of addressing questions about my own access, I 
do like to include the balancing information about their rights and 
recourse against abuse of the ADA by service dog users who don't keep 
their dogs clean and keep it under control. Well, mostly I do that by 
talking of my responsibilities when I bring my own service dog into 
their establishment.

I tend to use my dog for an example, as in, If my dog..." This makes 
things light hearted, because my dog grins at them while I talk, wooing 
them with her adorability and the absolute innocence of one who could 
never possibly do anything wrong... /lol/ I figure the bleeping poodle 
is a natural born conversation piece anyway, so why not use her as a 
teaching tool?

So, if I bring my dog into your store with fleas jumping all over the 
place and dirt falling off The "..." is where I pause to let them get 
the cooing and googley eyes out of their system and declare that Mitzi 
could *never* be a dirty dog, and she wouldn't have fleas, oh no, she 
wouldn't. Mitzi grins from ear to ear; her tail changes weather patterns 
over a 5-state area. /lol/

Also, if, say, Mitzi here (oh, she would never!)...

Yes, I will continue patiently when the love making is having a cool 
down period and I'm wondering if I should give the two of them more 
privacy -- or suggest theyr ent a room -- you do have the right to throw 
us out if my dog is dirty or causing trouble and I'm not keeping her 
under control. She can make mistakes but...

No, Mitzi could never make a mistake she is just too adorable for 
that/lol/ And she just takes such good care of mer mommy... No /lol/!

Come to think of it, by that point we are not in danger of being denied 
access even if we started out that way. I may find myself with a guide 
dog who was just given her own business because she is just that cute, 
but... No, she cannot come into the kitchen to help you cook. /lol/ 
Okay, no one has ever said that, but there was one love fest that I was 
beginning to worry about on that score. The beauty of these phases where 
I'm more limited to my usual haunts in my regular stomping ground is 
that everybody is trained by now so I can just go out for a nice lunch 
and tuck my dog under the table so we can eat in peace. /lol/

Tami

On 11/10/2011 05:02 AM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
> I believe that there only a few conditions where a store owner can legally ask a dog team to leave the location.  None of these did I see at State Convention.  I have seen the first from someone I knew though.  That is the dog relieving itself in the store.  I have seen many folks who seem too busy to relieve there dogs and take them into a business and wonder why they left a present or two.  The one guy in question I knew was guilty of not relieving his dog often enough and when he relieved himself in the store, he refused to accknowledge that his dog did it.  He argued with the manager and his wife cleaned it up.  Accidents do happen but if the owner refuses to take responsibility well they should be asked to leave.  Also, if the dog is obviously not under control.  Excessive barking, putting there noses into displays, snatching things off of shelves and wandering around by themselves come to mind.  Pretty much the same reasons I would remove my kids from a business as we
ll.  My dog has tried to sniff those loaves of bread at Krogers they put nice and low by the counter.  I always correct her and divert her attention when she does that.  I would be worried she might sneak a bite while I was buying something so she doesn't even get to think about it!  Finally, some owners don't remember that there dog needs to be bathed periodically.  The same person who allowed his dog to dump in the store usually forgot to do this and I could tell they were coming by the strong dog odor that preceeded them!  In none of the cases I have looked at in the last year, has any of these reasons been cited for removing dogs from they're businesses!  The last, that guy in Kent County, was only complaining about dog hair.  Well, people sometimes shed hair as well and they don't get banned from places!  Sometimes people don't bathe iether and are allowed to come in!  It amazes me on how lax businesses are on that subject!  I've sat near some pretty ripe individualss wh
o would have put any dog to shame!  I have also seem folks get loud and obnoxious!  Kids and parents screamming and dirty diapers nice and ripe!  And those folks get to stay!  I have only seen 2 instances where I would have kicked out a dog team.  The first, I have already described.  The second was the same guy.  Whenever he took his dog into a pet store his dog became uncontrollable!  The more his dog misbehaved, the more the guy cussed and hollered!  Pretty soon, it always became a great big sceen!  I have had stores tell me that they would never ask a service dog team to leave.  I usually inform them that they do have the right under certain circumstances such as those abov.  My point in metioning this is that again, none of the cases I've seen recently meet the criteria here and of course the security guard, the law office owner and the restraunt manager had no cause to remove the dogs and owners!
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