[nagdu] Restaurant ordered service dog to lobby

Natalie nrorrell at qwest.net
Sat Nov 12 01:09:28 UTC 2011 

Hi Larry,
Gosh, I hate when people have those kind of biases.  Fortunately, most 
everyone I associate is pretty open-minded.  But should I encounter someone 
who may appear to be biased toward schools for only God knows why, my 
response would be that there's good and bad in every school.
Best,
Nat and Liam Joshua

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Restaurant ordered service dog to lobby


> Sheila, I too thaught that NFB just was about raising Hell!  Well, we do 
> some of that but we also aren't afraid to challenge those who need to be 
> challenged!  We can also challenge by example.  For instance, I sat next 
> to the representive from Leader Dogs.  I talked to her about there 
> programs and had quite a conversation with her.  She thaught Holly was 
> from her school because she was so well behaved and was really surprised 
> to find out she was from Pilot.  Knowing the bias some folks have towards 
> schools, I didn't say anything until she asked.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 5:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Restaurant ordered service dog to lobby
>
>
>> That was definetely a part of the reason that I wasnn't interested in 
>> nagdu for a long time because I didn't want to belong to an organization 
>> that didnn't agree with my right and responsibility to choose my method 
>> of mobility aid a dog or  a cane. I always at least at one time believed 
>> that the nfb believed that blind people were capable of making there own 
>> choices and when I thought that it wasn't accurate i wanted nothing to do 
>> with the nfb. I've since to a large degree changed my mind about this 
>> thanks to your cooperation concerning easter seals and my work 
>> relationship and the use of my dog and this list.
>>
>> Sheila Leigland
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 6:37 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Restaurant ordered service dog to lobby
>>
>> Larry,
>>    One reason you may not know of many guide dog users friendly to the 
>> NFB
>> is because there are those who would like guide dog users to believe that
>> the NFB is anti guide dog. I am of the opinion that, once guide dog users
>> realize this is a myth, we will see a growth in our ranks. many are a 
>> part
>> of the other organization even though they do not agree with its 
>> philosophy
>> or approach simply because they have been convinced of this myth. They 
>> would
>> rather be a part of a consumer's group with which they have some
>> philosophical disagreements than none at all. I believe that, once guide 
>> dog
>> users see that the National Association of Guide Dog Users is the leading
>> force in the affairs of guide dog users and is taking a proactive 
>> approach
>> to enhancing their lives, they will realize they have been betrayed by 
>> these
>> lies and come stand on the barricades with us!
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>> this issue
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Restaurant ordered service dog to lobby
>>
>>
>>> Marion, one reason I don't know of many Grand Rapids dog users is 
>>> because
>>> NFB is sort of weak in that area.  They have the state ACB President 
>>> there
>>> and he is pretty strong over there!  I saw no dog users in Kalamazoo or
>>> for that matter from the whole west coast!  They are probably there
>>> though!
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 7:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Restaurant ordered service dog to lobby
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sheila, This is why we have NAGDU and the NAGDU Information & advocacy
>>>> Hotline. It is my hope we can find a NAGDU person in the Grand Rapids
>>>> area willing to take this on and press it to the end!
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:02 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Restaurant ordered service dog to lobby
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Marion it is so sad and wrong that this stuff still goes on in this
>>>>> country The manager or whatever she is definetely knows the law and
>>>>> chooses to ignore it. I'm glad that I didnn't realize how much the 
>>>>> laws
>>>>> are ignored when I got my first dog. I thought that the law was the 
>>>>> law
>>>>> and I believed it would be upheld. I hope that if I had known reality
>>>>> that I still would have wanted a guide dog and would have known how to
>>>>> stand up for myself as a blind person.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheila Leigland
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:26 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Restaurant ordered service dog to lobby
>>>>>
>>>>> Naw! That would be too good a place for them! (grin) I prefer a 10 X 
>>>>> 10
>>>>> cell
>>>>> with a 350-pound biker named Bubba whose brother is blind and uses a
>>>>> guide
>>>>> dog! (smile) Now, that's justice!
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:57 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Restaurant ordered service dog to lobby
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And that could be in a dog shelter with a bunch of shedding fur!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:37 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Restaurant ordered service dog to lobby
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>>>    Although a cash fine would be good, incarceration would be even
>>>>>>> sweeter in this case!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:46 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Restaurant ordered service dog to lobby
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What I think would work even better is rounding up every
>>>>>>>> service/guide
>>>>>>>> dog user in a 100 mile radius and going together to eat there.  Of
>>>>>>>> course having along a news reporter makes the event that much more
>>>>>>>> memorable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I agree there need to be cash fines for this sort of behavior.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/8/2011 10:27 AM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This is one of those times when I wonder if picketing and
>>>>>>>>> encouraging
>>>>>>>>> the public to boycott would work.  Maybe the local citizens could 
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> encouraged to boycott this establishmebnt every Friday and tell 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> manager WHY.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/2011 11:01 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> IMO, the time for being nice and educating is long past. It's 
>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> start to insist that some teeth be put into the laws that protect
>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>> rights. Unfortunately, the only thing some people understand
>>>>>>>>>> (including, it would appear, this manager) is something that hits
>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> in the pocketbook. It's pretty clear to me that she even knows
>>>>>>>>>> she's
>>>>>>>>>> in the wrong and doesn't care, as she wouldn't give her name even
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> back up her stance.
>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Dan Weiner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to see that restaurant go out of business.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> Of Ginger Kutsch
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:42 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Restaurant ordered service dog to lobby
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Restaurant ordered service dog to lobby
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank Eckl goes everywhere with Spruce
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Published : Monday, 07 Nov 2011,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> By Leon Hendrix
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> CASCADE TOWNSHIP, Mich. (WOOD) - Frank Eckl and his family -- 
>>>>>>>>>>> including his
>>>>>>>>>>> service dog -- went to dinner Saturday night at Don Julio's
>>>>>>>>>>> restaurant in
>>>>>>>>>>> Cascade Township. But the manager said the dog had to stay in 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> lobby.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Eckl told 24 Hour News 8 he takes the dog with him wherever he
>>>>>>>>>>> goes.
>>>>>>>>>>> He uses
>>>>>>>>>>> the dog because of a disability he has that causes occasional
>>>>>>>>>>> seizures. When
>>>>>>>>>>> he's alone, it's his service dog Spruce that calls for help and
>>>>>>>>>>> helps
>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>> get up if he's fallen to the ground.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He said he's never had a problem bringing Spruce with him since
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> law
>>>>>>>>>>> allows it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But the manager at Don Julio's wouldn't allow the dog in the
>>>>>>>>>>> dining
>>>>>>>>>>> area.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "She [the manager] said we were more than welcome to stay, but
>>>>>>>>>>> patrons in
>>>>>>>>>>> the restaurant and the manager didn't want dog hair in the
>>>>>>>>>>> restaurant," he
>>>>>>>>>>> said. "I was shocked that we were asked to have the dog leave 
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>> stay."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The manager-on-duty admitted they insisted the dog stay in the
>>>>>>>>>>> entrance way
>>>>>>>>>>> to the restaurant, and that she would make the same request it
>>>>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>> She
>>>>>>>>>>> said patrons at the restaurant complained about the dog and that
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> opted
>>>>>>>>>>> to leave because of sanitation concerns.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "I asked for him to bring the dog out to the main entrance to 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> lobby,"
>>>>>>>>>>> the manager said. She refused to provide her name to 24 Hour 
>>>>>>>>>>> News
>>>>>>>>>>> 8.
>>>>>>>>>>> "I
>>>>>>>>>>> didn't ask for him to take his dog back home, to take his dog to
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> car or
>>>>>>>>>>> leave him outside in the middle of the parking lot at all."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Eckl and his family simply left the restaurant and went to the
>>>>>>>>>>> IHOP
>>>>>>>>>>> restaurant next door, where they were welcomed with Spruce.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Others that use service dogs have been asked to comply by the 
>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>> rules
>>>>>>>>>>> without complaint, the manager at Don Julio's said.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "I can't keep every customer happy," she said, adding that she 
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> aware
>>>>>>>>>>> that Spruce was a service dog but didn't realize it was Eckl who
>>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "I knew it was not for him. He didn't tell me the service dog 
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> him...
>>>>>>>>>>> He wasn't clear to me either."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jocelyn Dettloff, a representative for the Disability Advocates 
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> Kent
>>>>>>>>>>> County, said the violation is more serious than unhappy 
>>>>>>>>>>> customers
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