[nagdu] a blindconsumer's RighttoChooserehabtraining(federalregs)

rhonda cruz rhondaprincess at gmail.com
Sat Nov 12 02:48:12 UTC 2011 

hey rj.
Yes you can i beleave in you!
you will make a great passter.
wags.  and hugs.  from rhonda and mya.



> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net
>To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:16:51 -0800
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] a blindconsumer's	
RighttoChooserehabtrainin
g(federalregs)

>RJ,

>That is great news! Good for you!

>For myself, I've done better by just not bothering with the 
agency.
>Except to keep up with the ongoing audit results and the buzz 
about
>them.  And I gather stories where I can and have been studying 
working
>systems, like that in Nebraska, as an aid to my ability to 
communicate
>about the subject in a positive way.  Although, I can complain 
with the
>best of them and just do a good impression of a rabid wolverine 
on the
>subject of VVR in Oregon.  Excuse me, I need to wipe the foam off 
my
>mouth thinking about tit.  /lol/

>Figuring out ways to assist others in getting information, tools, 
even
>educational materials for self-learning is also a current project 
that
>I'm working on...  I have a glimmer of an idea that may even work 
for
>some, at least.  We'll se.

>If it is  a matter of agency policy that they will not send 
consumers to
>the NFB centers, then any individual VRC is sorta stuck right 
there even
>if they want to get their consumers to that training.  Or to get 
anything
>for them.  The VR Director and the administrator will stop that 
one cold
>right there.  Law? Ha! No one is going to make them follow that, 
so they
>don't have to.  They will tell you that to your face, in a taped 
meeting.
>If you keep asking, they will just make something up and they 
will make
>something up to ensure you don't get VR services of any kind 
here, ever.
>Some peole keep their mouths shut and will not reveal their 
identy or
>tell their stories except rin confidence based on that threat.  I 
try to
>give them a gentle nudge by  mentioning my own response the first 
time I
>heard that: This would change my life *how*? They laugh a little 
at my
>outrageous daring, then I assure them I didn't say that out loud.  
But
>that is exactly what I thought then and what I still think.  A 
threat to
>whithhold something you're withholding anyway isn't as 
frightening as
>they might think.  Sheesh!

>How to address the problem, for all of us or any one of us? Not a 
clue
>here.  Workin goni it...

>Tami

>On 11/11/2011 02:53 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>> I was told by my councilor I could not go into ministry because 
I was
>> blind ,and I needed to eat.  I'm going for my doctorate in 
theology and
>> the councilor who told me this, no longer works in the blindness 
field.  RJ
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Young"
>> <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a blind consumer's
>> RighttoChooserehabtraining(federalregs)


>>> I should say, regarding my previous rant, that I have, like 
Julie, had
>>> good experiences.  Dealing with a counselor can be a difficult 
experience.
>>> Jeff Young

>>> Home of the world's healthiest energy drink.  No Caffeine, no 
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>>> Phone: (318) 243-3003
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>>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Julie J.  wrote:

>>>> Yes, I'm replying to myself! LOL It's a privledge that old 
people get.

>>>> I wanted to add that sometimes clients sell themselves short,
>>>> occassionally very short.  It's hard to work with a young, 
energetic
>>>> client who is well spoken, who is confident and well educated 
who
>>>> tells you they want to sell pencils on the corner.  As a 
counselor you
>>>> want to encourage them to elevate their expectations.  You know 
in
>>>> your heart that they could acomplish so much more.  There's no 
way to
>>>> know if they want to sell pencils because that's all they think 
they
>>>> can do or is that really their heart's desire?

>>>> I admit to being less than 100% supportive of other blind people 
that
>>>> I thought were choosing to be a piano tuner or telemarketer 
because I
>>>> thought they were picking those careers because those are the 
only
>>>> options for blind folks.  Looking back I see it was a mistake, 
but at
>>>> the time I had no way to know.  There are ways to be supportive 
of
>>>> someone while still encouraging them to be more, but I hadn't 
quite
>>>> figured that out yet.

>>>> Julie





>>>> On 11/11/2011 3:24 PM, Julie J.  wrote:
>>>>> In defense of rehabilitation counselors, they are just like us,
>>>>> human.  They may see potential in you that you don't see.  They 
may be
>>>>> trying to get you thinking outside of the box, so to speak and 
may
>>>>> suggest things you hadn't considered.  Sometimes it's difficult 
to be
>>>>> encouraging while still being realistic.  None of us can see 
into the
>>>>> future to know exactly what the person on the other side of the 
desk
>>>>> is capable of.

>>>>> I used to work in rehabilitation and still do in a different
>>>>> capacity.  I've seen folks with huge dreams, but their daily 
actions
>>>>> don't fit with what they are saying they want to do.  I've 
talked
>>>>> with folks who tell me they want to work in drug/alcohol 
prevention.
>>>>> Yet when I make suggestions of things they could do now like
>>>>> learning Braille, joining local prevention organizations, 
checking
>>>>> out colleges etc.  they make excuses and don't do any of those
>>>>> things.  So is it awful of the counselor to tell the client the
>>>>> agency can't support them in that goal?

>>>>> Outside of the professional rehabilitation scene, I've 
frequently
>>>>> had email and phone calls from individuals who want to owner 
train
>>>>> their guide dog.  Some of them I encourage and some I try to 
gently
>>>>> suggest they try a different avenue for getting a guide.  Do I
>>>>> believe blind people can train their own guide dog? Absolutely.  
It
>>>>> is, however, an entirely different question to ask can this 
person I
>>>>> am talking to train their own guide? Maybe yes and maybe no, but
>>>>> blindness isn't as big of a factor as commitment, ambition and
>>>>> resourcefulness are.

>>>>> And then there are rehab counselors who do not have a very 
positive
>>>>> view of what blind people can truly accomplish.  *sigh* That is 
a
>>>>> whole different discussion.

>>>>> anyway I'm just saying to try to understand where the counselor 
is
>>>>> coming from because it will help you know how to proceed to get
>>>>> yourself what you need.

>>>>> JMHO
>>>>> Julie






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