[nagdu] a blindconsumer's RighttoChooserehabtraining(federalregs)
rhonda cruz
rhondaprincess at gmail.com
Sat Nov 12 02:48:12 UTC 2011
hey rj.
Yes you can i beleave in you!
you will make a great passter.
wags. and hugs. from rhonda and mya.
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net
>To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:16:51 -0800
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] a blindconsumer's
RighttoChooserehabtrainin
g(federalregs)
>RJ,
>That is great news! Good for you!
>For myself, I've done better by just not bothering with the
agency.
>Except to keep up with the ongoing audit results and the buzz
about
>them. And I gather stories where I can and have been studying
working
>systems, like that in Nebraska, as an aid to my ability to
communicate
>about the subject in a positive way. Although, I can complain
with the
>best of them and just do a good impression of a rabid wolverine
on the
>subject of VVR in Oregon. Excuse me, I need to wipe the foam off
my
>mouth thinking about tit. /lol/
>Figuring out ways to assist others in getting information, tools,
even
>educational materials for self-learning is also a current project
that
>I'm working on... I have a glimmer of an idea that may even work
for
>some, at least. We'll se.
>If it is a matter of agency policy that they will not send
consumers to
>the NFB centers, then any individual VRC is sorta stuck right
there even
>if they want to get their consumers to that training. Or to get
anything
>for them. The VR Director and the administrator will stop that
one cold
>right there. Law? Ha! No one is going to make them follow that,
so they
>don't have to. They will tell you that to your face, in a taped
meeting.
>If you keep asking, they will just make something up and they
will make
>something up to ensure you don't get VR services of any kind
here, ever.
>Some peole keep their mouths shut and will not reveal their
identy or
>tell their stories except rin confidence based on that threat. I
try to
>give them a gentle nudge by mentioning my own response the first
time I
>heard that: This would change my life *how*? They laugh a little
at my
>outrageous daring, then I assure them I didn't say that out loud.
But
>that is exactly what I thought then and what I still think. A
threat to
>whithhold something you're withholding anyway isn't as
frightening as
>they might think. Sheesh!
>How to address the problem, for all of us or any one of us? Not a
clue
>here. Workin goni it...
>Tami
>On 11/11/2011 02:53 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>> I was told by my councilor I could not go into ministry because
I was
>> blind ,and I needed to eat. I'm going for my doctorate in
theology and
>> the councilor who told me this, no longer works in the blindness
field. RJ
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Young"
>> <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a blind consumer's
>> RighttoChooserehabtraining(federalregs)
>>> I should say, regarding my previous rant, that I have, like
Julie, had
>>> good experiences. Dealing with a counselor can be a difficult
experience.
>>> Jeff Young
>>> Home of the world's healthiest energy drink. No Caffeine, no
added
>>> sugar. Email me for a free sample today.
>>> Phone: (318) 243-3003
>>> E-mail: jeff.young8806 at gmail.com
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>>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>> Yes, I'm replying to myself! LOL It's a privledge that old
people get.
>>>> I wanted to add that sometimes clients sell themselves short,
>>>> occassionally very short. It's hard to work with a young,
energetic
>>>> client who is well spoken, who is confident and well educated
who
>>>> tells you they want to sell pencils on the corner. As a
counselor you
>>>> want to encourage them to elevate their expectations. You know
in
>>>> your heart that they could acomplish so much more. There's no
way to
>>>> know if they want to sell pencils because that's all they think
they
>>>> can do or is that really their heart's desire?
>>>> I admit to being less than 100% supportive of other blind people
that
>>>> I thought were choosing to be a piano tuner or telemarketer
because I
>>>> thought they were picking those careers because those are the
only
>>>> options for blind folks. Looking back I see it was a mistake,
but at
>>>> the time I had no way to know. There are ways to be supportive
of
>>>> someone while still encouraging them to be more, but I hadn't
quite
>>>> figured that out yet.
>>>> Julie
>>>> On 11/11/2011 3:24 PM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>>> In defense of rehabilitation counselors, they are just like us,
>>>>> human. They may see potential in you that you don't see. They
may be
>>>>> trying to get you thinking outside of the box, so to speak and
may
>>>>> suggest things you hadn't considered. Sometimes it's difficult
to be
>>>>> encouraging while still being realistic. None of us can see
into the
>>>>> future to know exactly what the person on the other side of the
desk
>>>>> is capable of.
>>>>> I used to work in rehabilitation and still do in a different
>>>>> capacity. I've seen folks with huge dreams, but their daily
actions
>>>>> don't fit with what they are saying they want to do. I've
talked
>>>>> with folks who tell me they want to work in drug/alcohol
prevention.
>>>>> Yet when I make suggestions of things they could do now like
>>>>> learning Braille, joining local prevention organizations,
checking
>>>>> out colleges etc. they make excuses and don't do any of those
>>>>> things. So is it awful of the counselor to tell the client the
>>>>> agency can't support them in that goal?
>>>>> Outside of the professional rehabilitation scene, I've
frequently
>>>>> had email and phone calls from individuals who want to owner
train
>>>>> their guide dog. Some of them I encourage and some I try to
gently
>>>>> suggest they try a different avenue for getting a guide. Do I
>>>>> believe blind people can train their own guide dog? Absolutely.
It
>>>>> is, however, an entirely different question to ask can this
person I
>>>>> am talking to train their own guide? Maybe yes and maybe no, but
>>>>> blindness isn't as big of a factor as commitment, ambition and
>>>>> resourcefulness are.
>>>>> And then there are rehab counselors who do not have a very
positive
>>>>> view of what blind people can truly accomplish. *sigh* That is
a
>>>>> whole different discussion.
>>>>> anyway I'm just saying to try to understand where the counselor
is
>>>>> coming from because it will help you know how to proceed to get
>>>>> yourself what you need.
>>>>> JMHO
>>>>> Julie
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