[nagdu] ablind consumer'sRight toChooserehabtraining(federalregs)

RJ Sandefur joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
Sat Nov 12 03:45:12 UTC 2011


Shelia, What do you think we should do? RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] ablind consumer'sRight 
toChooserehabtraining(federalregs)


>I think many blind people hav had the same thoughts and questions over the 
>years. If the unemployment rate was at seventy four percent across the 
>board in the country there would be a revolt like nothing seen in a long 
>time.
>
> Sheila Leigland
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 5:18 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a blind consumer'sRight 
> toChooserehabtraining(federalregs)
>
> See that's how it is here in Florida. The councilor's dictate instead of
> allowing you to make an informed choice. Why is their a 74 percent
> unemployment rate among the blind? because all the working aged blind are
> working in a vending stand because councilor knows best! The NFB has been
> around for almost 75 or more years, but when you really get down to it, 
> what
> have the blind really accomplished? Not much of anything. Jerigan said its 
> a
> cycle The agencies for the blind give bad teaching skills, which leads to
> wrong misconceptions of the blind person to the general public. We have
> three blindness training centers, but these are not schools. Alot of 
> times,
> kids are sent to a blindness school, from the time they're five years old,
> until they graduate, and then when they get out into the world, they don't
> know how to adjust. So, what should we the blind do? Get them when they're
> young, so that when they graduate from high school, they won't need to go 
> to
> the NFB center, because they already have the training. RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brenda" <bjnite at windstream.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a blind consumer'sRight
> toChooserehabtraining(federalregs)
>
>
>> Hey Tami
>>
>> that is what happens in my state.  Once they had a Consumer Advisory
>> Counsel that said some true, uncomplimentary stuff about the counselors.
>> The counselors were insulted because the counselors had Masters degrees
>> and who were these ungrateful consumers.  I read the minutes and heard 
>> the
>> counselors angry comments because I worked for the Agency.
>>
>> Then as a consumer after I was forced out of the agency due to an office
>> move, I had a whole slew of problems getting what I knew I needed.  I
>> found out a rehab tech had told the counselor the exact opposite about
>> what he and I discussed.  I protested and had my case closed in
>> frustration.
>>
>> Instead of learning our rights etc., I would just like to know the States
>> where rehab professionals really help the most consumers and work with
>> them as a team instead of dictating what the client needs and giving
>> anyone who asks for choices etc. a hard time.
>>
>> When I had my issues, I didn't know of anyone to help me.  Even if I did,
>> it is an exhausting process and i want to enjoy life and not spend all my
>> time fighting with people.  If I had things to do over, and had access to
>> the internet, I would have moved to the State where the rehab people are
>> known to be more helpful.
>> Brenda
>>
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>> On 11/11/2011 6:22 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
>>> So what do you do, then, when you do your homework before you make your
>>> first call and know what your needs are and formulate your requests
>>> according to that in line with what the law and the policies and
>>> procedures are and..And get nowhere. For years.
>>>
>>> What if you keep hearing that this is what happens to virtually everyone
>>> you talk to.
>>>
>>> What if you learn that there is no recorse, that the agency is not
>>> following the laws or the rules and regs because they don't actually 
>>> have
>>> to? Because there is no one to make them?
>>>
>>> Then where are you?And where are all your friends and acquaintances and
>>> what do you tell them when they ask you what do do?
>>>
>>> Tami.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/2011 12:40 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>> You don't march in, you ease in and tell your counsellor what you'd 
>>>> like
>>>> to do and ask them how it can be accomplished.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur"
>>>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 2:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a blind consumer's Right
>>>> toChooserehabtraining(federalregs)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> How is a blind consumer suposed to just march into their councilors
>>>>> office, and tell him or her I want this or that? The councilor's know
>>>>> these regulations back and forwards... They have excuses for
>>>>> everything. Really this should be for the rehab councilor list. RJ
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Criminal Justice Major
>>>>> Extraordinaire" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 2:39 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a blind consumer's Right to
>>>>> Chooserehabtraining(federalregs)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, larry,
>>>>>> I'll agree with you on this one and leave it alone too.
>>>>>> Since I don't know that much about those individuals, will leave it
>>>>>> as that.
>>>>>> *Smiles*
>>>>>> Bibi and Odie
>>>>>> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>>>>>>
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