[nagdu] SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT: Fake service dogs and the negative impact

Tue Nov 15 16:52:21 UTC 2011

right but they do this because the penalities aren't that stiff. If they were, it wouldn't happen which transolates to the rest of society.

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
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No, probably you don't usually have a person sell drugs to get a drug point across, but they do tempt fate in airport securities to prove how much stuff does get missed. I suspect they do a lot of things we never thought of to make some kind of point. That's just my thought. 

Cindy

On Nov 15, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:

> It doesn't matter and goes to show that if the punishment for this was real severe, she'd have found another way to cover her story. 
> After all, you don't have reporters sell drugs to do a story on drug trafficking do you?
> 
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> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:39 AM
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> 
> If the reporter was breaking the law, it was clear why. It was a local story and she was with the local news. She had likely visited with the people who were using their service dogs first.
> 
> I agree that the standards expected of a service dog should have been emphasized. Of course, any dog could bite and might. And, of course, the dog not a service dog was being appropriate. By the same token a person's do that was a service dog could come in and not be. That person would and could then be removed from the place lawfully same as the person without the service dog. 
> 
> No, I wouldn't want to be asked questions as to whether the dog was a service dog, but if people continue to fake serve dogs just to get their pet into a store, I believe this is going to be the case. You can already be asked what service your dog provides.
> 
> Cindy
> 
> On Nov 15, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
> 
>> A few questions here.
>> First, if the reporter broke the law, why isn't she in legal trouble? I don't care what her motives were, she still broke the law or so this article leads one to believe.
>> 
>> Second, if the dog is behaving, why is this a problem?
>> Third, the article implies that people should ask questions of guide/service dog users. Is this really a path anybody wants to go down?
>> Fourth, all dogs are capable of biting someone. A brain tumor, stress, chronic pain, vision or hearing going, and all of us can be unaware of such things. So the argument of "a dog may bite someone" is not relivant.
>> 
>> Finally, this article did a disservice because it did not convey that guide/service dogs have different standards of behavior and that is an ongoing project. I can easily saying "see, that guy's dog was trained for two years" "Mine went to obedience school and listens".
>> This article bothers me but not for the reasons it is supposed to.
>> 
>> 
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>> SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT: Fake service dogs and the negative impact
>> 
>> Updated: 11/14 10:16 pm | Published: 11/14 10:14 pm
>> 
>> Reported by: Kylie Conway
>> 
>> SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) - You can buy them on-line and then take your
>> pet wherever you go. People are actually ordering service dog vests for
>> their pooches and pretending to need them in public places. It's doggie
>> deception.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Many Americans treat their dogs nearly like children. They buy them glittery
>> collars, dress them in clothes and even push them in strollers! But, a new
>> trend has pet owners disregarding "no pets allowed" signs and finding loop
>> holes to bring their dogs wherever they go.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ABC 4 went undercover to see what kind of reaction Natalie Kauffman and her
>> dog Libby would get with a mail-ordered dog vest. First, Natalie and Libby
>> entered a café, then a Utah book store and finally a busy downtown
>> restaurant during prime lunch hour.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "I thought it was kind of cool. They help a lot of people," said the
>> bookstore owner Peter Marshall.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In each place Libby and Natalie walked around, ordered food and drink and
>> never got asked a single question. But, this fraud is creating big issues
>> for people like Tim Daynes and Becky Anderson. They both rely on their dogs
>> for independence.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "The simple pleasure of walking from my office to the grocery store and
>> back," said Anderson who has Retinitis Pigmentosa and is legally blind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "I could not get into my house without him!" said Tim Daynes. Daynes was
>> paralyzed when he was just 16 years old when he dove in Lake Powell and
>> broke his neck. He is now a C-5 quadriplegic. Both Daynes and Anderson are
>> concerned over what abusing service dog privileges could mean for their
>> future.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Sad, frustrated," said Anderson.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "If you get a dog that for some reason would bite someone. As a business
>> owner I don't blame them. I wouldn't want to see that happen," said Daynes.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Certified service dogs are trained for two years mostly from the time
>> they're puppies. There is a very low graduation because the standards to
>> become a service dog are so high.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "I can take him in to public and know that he's going to behave himself,"
>> said Daynes.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This is something Daynes is sure about but when a non-certified dog like
>> Libby goes into a business, how they react to stimuli is unpredictable.
>> Anderson's bad experience was with a flight attendant.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "She was convinced that my guide was going to hurt her," said Anderson.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Americans with Disabilities Act makes it very difficult to questions
>> someone over their needs for their service dog. For some, the liability of
>> digging into the specifics isn't worth the risk. Basically, if you're
>> prepared to lie there's a good chance you'll get away with it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Maybe there needs to be a law where the pack has to have some sort of
>> license on it," said Daynes.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The service pack, regardless of what dog was wearing, passed for Utah
>> standards. But, with some education, awareness and maybe even policy changes
>> Daynes and Anderson hope to keep their future of independence in tact.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Advocates against wrongful vest use say it's important to remember that it's
>> against the law to use the vests improperly and you could be prosecuted.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> URL:
>> http://www.abc4.com/content/news/state/story/SPECIAL-ASSIGNMENT-Fake-service
>> -dogs-and-the/3wpzr-yryUmu5u05WM8Npg.cspx
>> 
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