[nagdu] Blind Teacher's guide dog Attacked

Tue Oct 4 02:17:07 UTC 2011

Of course Brenda if we used the pepper spray, we would get in trouble for 
hurting the family Fido even though he was about to snack on your dog!  If 
Holly ever gets attacked, I know I'll get in trouble!  I have something nice 
and sharp for an attacker!  So far never happened and I hope it never will!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brenda" <bjnite at windstream.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Teacher's guide dog Attacked


> Julie, The examples you giveare the perfect times for the stupid, lazy, 
> (insert other descriptive words here) owner to see some pepper spray in 
> your hand.  wonder if they would move a little faster to retrieve their 
> dog.  And wouldn't it be something if you went to spray their dog (not 
> really)  and "accidentaly" got the owner instead.
>
> Brenda
>
>
>
> On 10/3/2011 12:27 PM, Julie J. wrote:
>> Oh the soap box...first I must drag a cumfy chair up there...
>>
>> Okay my pet peeve is folks with dogs that want to visit or at least the 
>> owners want their dog to visit.  Sometimes the dog is well mannered, but 
>> usually he's at the end of the leash bopping up and down, gasping for 
>> breath.  Sometimes it's over exuberance to greet and sometimes it's 
>> thirst for blood.  either way I'm not allowing my fingers to get anywhere 
>> near that and I'm certainly not allowing my guide to be exposed to that 
>> frakus.
>>
>> Or the owners that have their dog in the yard with them off leash.  Then 
>> when I walk by the dog goes all Cujo, barking and growling a few feet 
>> away.  The owner will generally stand on the porch drinking their beer, 
>> calling the dog repeatedly.  Of course the dog never gives the owner even 
>> the slightest acknowledgment.  Eventually the owner will come to collect 
>> the dog.  Never is there an apology for the inconvenience to me and 
>> sometimes I am admonished for upsetting their dog.
>>
>> And if one more person asks me if my dog is in training because I correct 
>> him for being distracted  during one of these encounters, I will scream!
>>
>> I'm done with the soap box.  Next?
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/3/2011 11:12 AM, Sam Hogle wrote:
>>> I agree completely Tami. Like you, Mason and I have been lucky so far, 
>>> something surprising since our neighborhood has a few aggressive dogs 
>>> that I don't feel are properly contained. In Georgia, invisible fenses 
>>> seem to be a new trend, but I have found that they aren't allways 
>>> affective. Anyway, I also agree with you about people not caring like 
>>> they should. I tried taking Mason to the dog park for social reasons, 
>>> but had to stop due to some owners thinking it was fine for their dogs 
>>> to pick fights with others since their dogs were usually powerful enough 
>>> to win. Luckily, Mason never got injurred, but that wasn't a chance I 
>>> wanted to keep taking. After all, it only takes one fight. Then, I had a 
>>> lady in my neighborhood whose aggressive dog caused us to have to stop 
>>> our walk. She then yelled in an annoyed toan that she could not walk her 
>>> dog untill we left. I'm sorry, but I refuse to walk past someone who has 
>>> no control over her dog and risk said dog breaking away from her and 
>>> attacking my well behaved though slightly distracted golden. Anyway, to 
>>> me, if you're going to take on the care of another being, you need to be 
>>> responsible about it, and not expect others to pick up the pieces. 
>>> Anyone else want a turn on the soapbox?
>>> Sam and Seeing Eye Dog Mason
>>> On 10/3/2011 11:21 AM, Tami Kinney wrote:
>>>> Sorry you had to experience that. Was your dog okay and able to work
>>>> again? It is indeed very sad, and very traumatic to the handlers as 
>>>> well
>>>> as to the dog. I'm stunned how many guide dog users in this area appear
>>>> to have PTSD from an attack on their guides, past and/or present. I've
>>>> been plumb lucky so far, and it makes my hair stand on end knowing
>>>> that. /shudder/
>>>>
>>>> So still in these articles from all over the country, what I am failing
>>>> to hear is what are the consequences to the owners of the dogs that
>>>> attacked? I hear that here, too, in the local news coverage. A lot of
>>>> emotionalism, people feeling bad in some way or another, there must be
>>>> more laws, etc., etc. Not squat about how the owner of the dogs that
>>>> attacked is going to pay for the damage and suffer some form of 
>>>> punitive
>>>> consequences for not taking responsibility for a large dog with the
>>>> tools to cause a lot of damage if it is not properly socialized, 
>>>> trained
>>>> and managed. If people who can't take responsibility for their choices
>>>> on their own know that if their choice in a dog -- large or small --
>>>> will come back to them in a way they don't like, then perhaps they 
>>>> might
>>>> be more motivated to take responsibility to prevent that before it
>>>> happens? If the worst that happens to them is that they just need to
>>>> find a new dog when theirs suffers the consequences of their
>>>> mismanagement, then that's no big deal to them. I'm generalizing a lot,
>>>> but I've known enough generally irresponsible people over the years and
>>>> listened to them talk to realize that at some level they don't care who
>>>> gets hurt so long as it's not them. Be it drivers who take the wheel
>>>> thinking that they can do anything so long as no one is watching,
>>>> because it would be bad if they got a ticket, to dog owners, to petty
>>>> thieves or chronic moochers... So long as there is not consequences to
>>>> them, they really are not concerned. Give that sort a big dog, and...
>>>> It's not the dog that is the problem. It is the owner.
>>>>
>>>> Er... Now that I've got the soapbox all warmed up, anybody else what a
>>>> turn? /grin/
>>>>
>>>> Tami
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 08:44 -0500, marilyn wrote:
>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>> It is very sad that guide dogs get attacked. My first guide dog and I 
>>>>> were attacked by a Sheppard and it was the worst feeling you can 
>>>>> imagine. You feel so helpless. Its bad enough when one dog attacks but 
>>>>> two.
>>>>> As far as the term Seeing Eye Dog many people don't realize its the 
>>>>> name of a guide dog school. People call many times my guide a seeing 
>>>>> eye dog and I correct them by saying she is a guide dog from GDF. 
>>>>> Seeing Eye is the name of a school in NJ.
>>>>> Marilyn and Anna
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