[nagdu] no result

Sun Oct 16 17:37:41 UTC 2011

Larry it is in upstate New York near Buffalo.  I thought I would answer this 
because charel is Long Island which is the other end of the state and I am 
in  Buffalo which is more near where Cazenovia is.
Julie Phillipson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result


> Cheryl, sence you are from New york, where is Cazenovia?  You can write 
> offlist if you choose but my daughter coached soccer there yesterday.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result
>
>
>> you are so welcome.
>>
>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>> 631-456-5394
>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>
>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, located in 
>> Baldwin, NY. www.superiortravel.com
>>
>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel, 
>> Inc.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 1:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result
>>
>>
>>> I only mentioned the NFB website because thats where I found the list of
>>> schools.  Thanks Cheryl for pointing other places where it can be found!
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 1:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result
>>>
>>>
>>> > This is also members at large, which is you are part of the NFB, but 
>>> > you
>>> > don't belong to a chapter.
>>> >
>>> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>> >
>>> > Cheryl Echevarria
>>> > http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>>> > 631-456-5394
>>> > reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>> >
>>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, located 
>>> > in
>>> > Baldwin, NY. www.superiortravel.com
>>> >
>>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
>>> > Inc.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> > From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:55 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Sounds like a plan.  I didn't think that all the listers weren't also 
>>> >> NFB
>>> >> members.  Also, I'm not even a current member as there is no chapter
>>> >> close
>>> >> enough to me although I have contact with the Beach Cities chapter in
>>> >> Carlsbad, CA.  I was an active member of NFB back in the late 90s 
>>> >> until
>>> >> 2001
>>> >> when our local chapter died for lack of interest.  San Diego has 
>>> >> always
>>> >> been
>>> >> an ACB territory - there's two chapters of that here but they really
>>> >> could
>>> >> merge to get a larger amoount of members.  But, it is what it is.
>>> >>
>>> >> Bibi, hopefully, this problem gets resolved favorably for you.
>>> >>
>>> >> Lyn and Landon
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 10:20 AM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > Bibi may not be part of the NFB Lyn. So we should be asking her to
>>> >> > contact
>>> >> > her local NFB Chapter or we can give her the information in her 
>>> >> > state
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > them.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > There are many on this list that comes to learn and listen, whether
>>> >> > they
>>> >> > are guide dog users, puppy raisers, or sponsor a dog. So they may 
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > be
>>> >> > part of the organization.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The lists are free to anyone who needs to know more about us.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > So I am asking.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Bibi, should you need the contact in your state for the President 
>>> >> > we
>>> >> > can
>>> >> > get you that information, and that person, get you in touch with 
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > chapter president.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Have a great day all.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Cheryl Echevarria
>>> >> > http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>>> >> > 631-456-5394
>>> >> > reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, 
>>> >> > located
>>> >> > in
>>> >> > Baldwin, NY. www.superiortravel.com
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & 
>>> >> > Travel,
>>> >> > Inc.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >> > From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>> >> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>> >> > Users"
>>> >> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 1:00 PM
>>> >> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Hi Bibi,
>>> >> >> Just for clarification:  Just what does Odie do for you if she 
>>> >> >> isn't a
>>> >> >> guide
>>> >> >> dog?  Can you just use her as a guide dog and the apartment 
>>> >> >> manager
>>> >> >> has
>>> >> >> no
>>> >> >> choice but to accept her presence?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> With the many years of folks abusing the ADA and what exactly is a
>>> >> >> service
>>> >> >> dog, they have now caused this problem that affects all of us in 
>>> >> >> one
>>> >> >> way
>>> >> >> or
>>> >> >> another.  You know, with people bringing their untrained pet dogs 
>>> >> >> into
>>> >> >> public spaces and the dogs create problems with bad behavior.  I 
>>> >> >> think
>>> >> >> most
>>> >> >> people are more confused about this than they were before the 
>>> >> >> abuse of
>>> >> >> ADA.
>>> >> >> I'm glad that the ADA has finally changed its regulations but it
>>> >> >> should
>>> >> >> have
>>> >> >> been done years ago before all the problems got out of hand.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I'm sorry you're having these problems.  Hey, where's your local 
>>> >> >> NFB
>>> >> >> chapter
>>> >> >> and why don't they put their money where their mouth is and help 
>>> >> >> you?
>>> >> >> If
>>> >> >> your dog is TRAINED to do tasks for your disabilities, then you're
>>> >> >> covered
>>> >> >> by ADA, period and that apartment manager should be in trouble 
>>> >> >> over it
>>> >> >> all.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Lyn and Landon
>>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >> >> From: "Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire" 
>>> >> >> <orleans24 at comcast.net>
>>> >> >> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:30 AM
>>> >> >> Subject: [nagdu] no result
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > Hi, all,
>>> >> >> > Service dog battle still continues on and there's no result as 
>>> >> >> > of
>>> >> >> > yet.
>>> >> >> > When I spoke with the assistant manager, next response I got was
>>> >> >> > that
>>> >> >> > CHAFA and some other founders of the apartment complex are now
>>> >> >> > standing
>>> >> >> > by
>>> >> >> > the manager's side and stating that service dogs fall under the 
>>> >> >> > pet
>>> >> >> > rules,
>>> >> >> > which I stated before they don't go under there.
>>> >> >> > So, off to the Colorado Cross Disability Colision I go Monday 
>>> >> >> > with
>>> >> >> > all
>>> >> >> > the
>>> >> >> > necessary appropriate paperwork I need to back myself up in the
>>> >> >> > hopes I
>>> >> >> > can get further.
>>> >> >> > I immediately had a letter written by Doctor Jeremy Long which 
>>> >> >> > will
>>> >> >> > be
>>> >> >> > out
>>> >> >> > in the mail and I'll have my hands on it.
>>> >> >> > I was so frustrated and angry yesterday afternoon, that I 
>>> >> >> > actually
>>> >> >> > felt
>>> >> >> > as
>>> >> >> > if I wanted to just go downstairs and punch the apartment 
>>> >> >> > manager.
>>> >> >> > This would not have been the first time I felt the need to just
>>> >> >> > destroy
>>> >> >> > her into many pieces.
>>> >> >> > It's happened before a couple years back and other times.
>>> >> >> > That didn't happen as I took the smart approach and immediately
>>> >> >> > contacted
>>> >> >> > the Outtpaitient Behavioral Services department at Denver Health
>>> >> >> > Medical
>>> >> >> > and ended up being connected to a crysis nurse who was able to 
>>> >> >> > help
>>> >> >> > talk
>>> >> >> > me through what was going on and happening.
>>> >> >> > Normally to do another intake if not seen at a particular clenic 
>>> >> >> > for
>>> >> >> > a
>>> >> >> > long time can be three weeks out.
>>> >> >> > Scott the nurse felt that was too long for me to wait, so he's 
>>> >> >> > going
>>> >> >> > to
>>> >> >> > try and push to get me in sooner.
>>> >> >> > I told him that a couple years back, I worked with Dr. 
>>> >> >> > Lowdermilk
>>> >> >> > and
>>> >> >> > was
>>> >> >> > told that she permamently works there now.
>>> >> >> > Scott's hope is to be able to get me connected with DR. 
>>> >> >> > Lowdermilk
>>> >> >> > so I
>>> >> >> > can get in or at least, she would be able to talk with me 
>>> >> >> > directly.
>>> >> >> > I wonder if it just may be me personally, but maybe others may 
>>> >> >> > go
>>> >> >> > through
>>> >> >> > similarities as me.
>>> >> >> > Do you have them moments of where you feel as if you're being 
>>> >> >> > mocho
>>> >> >> > or
>>> >> >> > tough upon holding feelings back and it seems nothing is going 
>>> >> >> > to
>>> >> >> > push
>>> >> >> > you
>>> >> >> > over the edge?
>>> >> >> > I guess for some time, I felt that I was in denial of this
>>> >> >> > particular
>>> >> >> > situation bugging the creepers cheesers out of me and finally, 
>>> >> >> > it
>>> >> >> > was
>>> >> >> > too
>>> >> >> > much.
>>> >> >> > I immediately went into melt down on the phone yesterday.
>>> >> >> > I started to feel in despair as I was losing an important battle 
>>> >> >> > not
>>> >> >> > just
>>> >> >> > for myself, but for other people with disabilities who have 
>>> >> >> > service
>>> >> >> > dogs
>>> >> >> > and important of all, guide dogs.
>>> >> >> > The big concern of why I was trying to hold everything back and 
>>> >> >> > stay
>>> >> >> > as
>>> >> >> > calm as I could was to prevent a full blown severe asthma attack 
>>> >> >> > and
>>> >> >> > another convulsive grandmal seizure too.
>>> >> >> > Eventually, everything was going to have to come out, one way or 
>>> >> >> > the
>>> >> >> > other, despite a possible medical consequence.
>>> >> >> > I was told not to give up this battle and keep fighting for my
>>> >> >> > rights,
>>> >> >> > but
>>> >> >> > also for others as well.
>>> >> >> > Will post more once I am able to meet with the Colorado cross
>>> >> >> > Disability
>>> >> >> > Colision on Monday and it won't be just them either that will 
>>> >> >> > get
>>> >> >> > another
>>> >> >> > update.
>>> >> >> > The Colorado Legal Aid Center for People with Disabilities and
>>> >> >> > Elderly
>>> >> >> > People will get it too.
>>> >> >> > I am not going to give up on this and if I have to do this 
>>> >> >> > alone, it
>>> >> >> > is
>>> >> >> > still going to be won.
>>> >> >> > *Smiles*
>>> >> >> > Bibi and Odie
>>> >> >> > the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>>> >> >> >
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