[nagdu] no result

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Sun Oct 16 17:24:30 UTC 2011


Cheryl, sence you are from New york, where is Cazenovia?  You can write 
offlist if you choose but my daughter coached soccer there yesterday.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result


> you are so welcome.
>
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, located in 
> Baldwin, NY. www.superiortravel.com
>
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel, 
> Inc.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 1:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result
>
>
>> I only mentioned the NFB website because thats where I found the list of
>> schools.  Thanks Cheryl for pointing other places where it can be found!
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 1:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result
>>
>>
>> > This is also members at large, which is you are part of the NFB, but 
>> > you
>> > don't belong to a chapter.
>> >
>> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>> >
>> > Cheryl Echevarria
>> > http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>> > 631-456-5394
>> > reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>> >
>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, located 
>> > in
>> > Baldwin, NY. www.superiortravel.com
>> >
>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
>> > Inc.
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:55 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result
>> >
>> >
>> >> Sounds like a plan.  I didn't think that all the listers weren't also 
>> >> NFB
>> >> members.  Also, I'm not even a current member as there is no chapter
>> >> close
>> >> enough to me although I have contact with the Beach Cities chapter in
>> >> Carlsbad, CA.  I was an active member of NFB back in the late 90s 
>> >> until
>> >> 2001
>> >> when our local chapter died for lack of interest.  San Diego has 
>> >> always
>> >> been
>> >> an ACB territory - there's two chapters of that here but they really
>> >> could
>> >> merge to get a larger amoount of members.  But, it is what it is.
>> >>
>> >> Bibi, hopefully, this problem gets resolved favorably for you.
>> >>
>> >> Lyn and Landon
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 10:20 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Bibi may not be part of the NFB Lyn. So we should be asking her to
>> >> > contact
>> >> > her local NFB Chapter or we can give her the information in her 
>> >> > state
>> >> > for
>> >> > them.
>> >> >
>> >> > There are many on this list that comes to learn and listen, whether
>> >> > they
>> >> > are guide dog users, puppy raisers, or sponsor a dog. So they may 
>> >> > not
>> >> > be
>> >> > part of the organization.
>> >> >
>> >> > The lists are free to anyone who needs to know more about us.
>> >> >
>> >> > So I am asking.
>> >> >
>> >> > Bibi, should you need the contact in your state for the President we
>> >> > can
>> >> > get you that information, and that person, get you in touch with 
>> >> > that
>> >> > chapter president.
>> >> >
>> >> > Have a great day all.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheryl Echevarria
>> >> > http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>> >> > 631-456-5394
>> >> > reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>> >> >
>> >> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, 
>> >> > located
>> >> > in
>> >> > Baldwin, NY. www.superiortravel.com
>> >> >
>> >> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & 
>> >> > Travel,
>> >> > Inc.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> > From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>> >> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> >> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 1:00 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi Bibi,
>> >> >> Just for clarification:  Just what does Odie do for you if she 
>> >> >> isn't a
>> >> >> guide
>> >> >> dog?  Can you just use her as a guide dog and the apartment manager
>> >> >> has
>> >> >> no
>> >> >> choice but to accept her presence?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> With the many years of folks abusing the ADA and what exactly is a
>> >> >> service
>> >> >> dog, they have now caused this problem that affects all of us in 
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> way
>> >> >> or
>> >> >> another.  You know, with people bringing their untrained pet dogs 
>> >> >> into
>> >> >> public spaces and the dogs create problems with bad behavior.  I 
>> >> >> think
>> >> >> most
>> >> >> people are more confused about this than they were before the abuse 
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> ADA.
>> >> >> I'm glad that the ADA has finally changed its regulations but it
>> >> >> should
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> been done years ago before all the problems got out of hand.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm sorry you're having these problems.  Hey, where's your local 
>> >> >> NFB
>> >> >> chapter
>> >> >> and why don't they put their money where their mouth is and help 
>> >> >> you?
>> >> >> If
>> >> >> your dog is TRAINED to do tasks for your disabilities, then you're
>> >> >> covered
>> >> >> by ADA, period and that apartment manager should be in trouble over 
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> all.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Lyn and Landon
>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >> From: "Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire" 
>> >> >> <orleans24 at comcast.net>
>> >> >> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:30 AM
>> >> >> Subject: [nagdu] no result
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Hi, all,
>> >> >> > Service dog battle still continues on and there's no result as of
>> >> >> > yet.
>> >> >> > When I spoke with the assistant manager, next response I got was
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > CHAFA and some other founders of the apartment complex are now
>> >> >> > standing
>> >> >> > by
>> >> >> > the manager's side and stating that service dogs fall under the 
>> >> >> > pet
>> >> >> > rules,
>> >> >> > which I stated before they don't go under there.
>> >> >> > So, off to the Colorado Cross Disability Colision I go Monday 
>> >> >> > with
>> >> >> > all
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > necessary appropriate paperwork I need to back myself up in the
>> >> >> > hopes I
>> >> >> > can get further.
>> >> >> > I immediately had a letter written by Doctor Jeremy Long which 
>> >> >> > will
>> >> >> > be
>> >> >> > out
>> >> >> > in the mail and I'll have my hands on it.
>> >> >> > I was so frustrated and angry yesterday afternoon, that I 
>> >> >> > actually
>> >> >> > felt
>> >> >> > as
>> >> >> > if I wanted to just go downstairs and punch the apartment 
>> >> >> > manager.
>> >> >> > This would not have been the first time I felt the need to just
>> >> >> > destroy
>> >> >> > her into many pieces.
>> >> >> > It's happened before a couple years back and other times.
>> >> >> > That didn't happen as I took the smart approach and immediately
>> >> >> > contacted
>> >> >> > the Outtpaitient Behavioral Services department at Denver Health
>> >> >> > Medical
>> >> >> > and ended up being connected to a crysis nurse who was able to 
>> >> >> > help
>> >> >> > talk
>> >> >> > me through what was going on and happening.
>> >> >> > Normally to do another intake if not seen at a particular clenic 
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > long time can be three weeks out.
>> >> >> > Scott the nurse felt that was too long for me to wait, so he's 
>> >> >> > going
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > try and push to get me in sooner.
>> >> >> > I told him that a couple years back, I worked with Dr. Lowdermilk
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > told that she permamently works there now.
>> >> >> > Scott's hope is to be able to get me connected with DR. 
>> >> >> > Lowdermilk
>> >> >> > so I
>> >> >> > can get in or at least, she would be able to talk with me 
>> >> >> > directly.
>> >> >> > I wonder if it just may be me personally, but maybe others may go
>> >> >> > through
>> >> >> > similarities as me.
>> >> >> > Do you have them moments of where you feel as if you're being 
>> >> >> > mocho
>> >> >> > or
>> >> >> > tough upon holding feelings back and it seems nothing is going to
>> >> >> > push
>> >> >> > you
>> >> >> > over the edge?
>> >> >> > I guess for some time, I felt that I was in denial of this
>> >> >> > particular
>> >> >> > situation bugging the creepers cheesers out of me and finally, it
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > too
>> >> >> > much.
>> >> >> > I immediately went into melt down on the phone yesterday.
>> >> >> > I started to feel in despair as I was losing an important battle 
>> >> >> > not
>> >> >> > just
>> >> >> > for myself, but for other people with disabilities who have 
>> >> >> > service
>> >> >> > dogs
>> >> >> > and important of all, guide dogs.
>> >> >> > The big concern of why I was trying to hold everything back and 
>> >> >> > stay
>> >> >> > as
>> >> >> > calm as I could was to prevent a full blown severe asthma attack 
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > another convulsive grandmal seizure too.
>> >> >> > Eventually, everything was going to have to come out, one way or 
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > other, despite a possible medical consequence.
>> >> >> > I was told not to give up this battle and keep fighting for my
>> >> >> > rights,
>> >> >> > but
>> >> >> > also for others as well.
>> >> >> > Will post more once I am able to meet with the Colorado cross
>> >> >> > Disability
>> >> >> > Colision on Monday and it won't be just them either that will get
>> >> >> > another
>> >> >> > update.
>> >> >> > The Colorado Legal Aid Center for People with Disabilities and
>> >> >> > Elderly
>> >> >> > People will get it too.
>> >> >> > I am not going to give up on this and if I have to do this alone, 
>> >> >> > it
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > still going to be won.
>> >> >> > *Smiles*
>> >> >> > Bibi and Odie
>> >> >> > the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>> >> >> >
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