[nagdu] Question

Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com
Mon Oct 17 18:43:02 UTC 2011 

Julie, 
Try the NLS web site. 



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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:21 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question

Rebecca,

Do you know of a place where I can find his books in an electronic or 
audio format?  I looked on the NLS BARD site, but couldn't fine them.

I'd be very interested to see what he has to say about unwanted 
attention.  I have a feeling that I've been doing whatever it is to get 
rid of people instinctively.  Understanding what it is I'm doing so I 
can consciously decide how to react would be most useful to me.  
Sometimes I need to ask for directions or need assistance from a store 
clerk and have difficulty getting people to respond to me.

Thanks!
Julie




On 10/17/2011 10:03 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
> This discussion re unwanted attention reminds me of Gavin Debecker's books and how usually men (though not always) put unwanted attention on women. Again these are generalizations not hard rules.
> Anyway, his books give some excellent steps on how to deal with this.
> He discusses people who are just annoying, all the way up to people who want to harm you.
>
> He says that we all meet such people.
>
> It's very useful empowering stuff.
> Note for the guys, his books are written for women. So you need to know that before going in.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:57 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question
>
> Brenda,
>
> It mostly depends on your state laws.   Here in Nebraska it is a
> criminal offense to interfere with a guide/service dog.  However the
> offending person has to have been told that the dog is a service dog and
> they are interfering.  This shows intent to interfere instead of plain
> stupidity.
>
> How assault and other criminal codes are interpreted is up to the
> responding officer and the county attorney.  I had a case of attempted
> assault when two kids got into a fight.  Kid one hits kid two.  Kid two
> swings to hit kid one back but misses.   Kid two gets attempted assault
> and kid one gets some assault charge that I've forgotten.  Is it fair?
> I don't know, but it is the way it is.
>
> I've never been in a situation where someone persisted after being told
> to quit.  I also extremely rarely have access issues.  I'm beginning to
> think I'm scary looking or something! LOL  I honestly don't know what
> the magic formula is.  I've been pondering it for years though.  If I
> ever figure it out, I will definitely share.
>
> Julie
>
> On 10/16/2011 8:20 PM, Brenda wrote:
>> Is it illegal to just come up to someone and touch them?  What happens
>> if someone grabs me and I push them away?  How do I know they really
>> want to guide me somewhere, maybe they want to pick my pocket.
>>
>> Can someone just come up and start fondling my purse or my umbrella or
>> whatever they see on my person that they would like to examine
>> further?  Or my guide dog if I had one?  If someone grabs my purse,
>> what happens if I snatch it away from them and yell at them ?  True, I
>> might think they are trying to steel my purse, but what about my
>> Victor Stream, maybe they just want to look at it?
>>
>> If it is wrong for people to come up to me and touch my things, why is
>> it not a crime to touch a guide dog.  It is not theirs - leave it alone.
>>
>> Once at work I had someone start fidgeting with my monocular which was
>> sitting on my CCTV.  I told them to leave it alone and they got mad.
>> Later, they took my typing stand after I left for the day so they
>> could use it and didn't put it back.  I put a sign on it after that
>> and they left it alone.  They probably would have pet my  guide dog
>> had I one at the time.
>>
>> I just don't understand why people think they can just pet a guide dog
>> and then get indignant when they are told  not to by the handler.  Are
>> there laws that can be applied to someone touching me or my umbrella
>> or my victor or my (someday) guide.
>>
>> I'm just annoyed at the unfortunate crazy stories people have had the
>> occasion to tell of late on this list.  Nothing against the tellers,
>> just the perpetrators.
>>
>> Brenda
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/16/2011 7:23 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>> Julie, no, this was resorted to twice.  In both cases the persons
>>> were being overly aggressive.  They were blocking my way and were not
>>> listening to anything I was trying to tell them.  One person jumped
>>> in front of me and began to pet Holly.  I explained to him the usual
>>> and he told me he was a vet and basically in more colorful terms he'd
>>> do whatever he wanted!  He then threatened to kill my dog if he
>>> couldn't pet her so that's why he got the response he got!  The other
>>> was a woman who was being so persistant that I couldn't shake her.
>>> Everywhere I turned she kept trying to touch Holly and get in my
>>> way.  I did have another woman who didn't touch Holly but kneeled
>>> down in front of us and would move every time we did so we couldn't
>>> get around her.  She wouldn't let me pass until I told her what kind
>>> of dog Holly was.  When I did she called me a liar and I actually had
>>> to step in the street to go around her!  No, that one only got some
>>> really goofy looks!
>>> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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