[nagdu] Question

Mon Oct 17 19:36:12 UTC 2011

Julie look on BLIO.
Julie Phillipson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question


> Rebecca,
>
> Do you know of a place where I can find his books in an electronic or 
> audio format?  I looked on the NLS BARD site, but couldn't fine them.
>
> I'd be very interested to see what he has to say about unwanted attention. 
> I have a feeling that I've been doing whatever it is to get rid of people 
> instinctively.  Understanding what it is I'm doing so I can consciously 
> decide how to react would be most useful to me.  Sometimes I need to ask 
> for directions or need assistance from a store clerk and have difficulty 
> getting people to respond to me.
>
> Thanks!
> Julie
>
>
>
>
> On 10/17/2011 10:03 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>> This discussion re unwanted attention reminds me of Gavin Debecker's 
>> books and how usually men (though not always) put unwanted attention on 
>> women. Again these are generalizations not hard rules.
>> Anyway, his books give some excellent steps on how to deal with this.
>> He discusses people who are just annoying, all the way up to people who 
>> want to harm you.
>>
>> He says that we all meet such people.
>>
>> It's very useful empowering stuff.
>> Note for the guys, his books are written for women. So you need to know 
>> that before going in.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:57 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question
>>
>> Brenda,
>>
>> It mostly depends on your state laws.   Here in Nebraska it is a
>> criminal offense to interfere with a guide/service dog.  However the
>> offending person has to have been told that the dog is a service dog and
>> they are interfering.  This shows intent to interfere instead of plain
>> stupidity.
>>
>> How assault and other criminal codes are interpreted is up to the
>> responding officer and the county attorney.  I had a case of attempted
>> assault when two kids got into a fight.  Kid one hits kid two.  Kid two
>> swings to hit kid one back but misses.   Kid two gets attempted assault
>> and kid one gets some assault charge that I've forgotten.  Is it fair?
>> I don't know, but it is the way it is.
>>
>> I've never been in a situation where someone persisted after being told
>> to quit.  I also extremely rarely have access issues.  I'm beginning to
>> think I'm scary looking or something! LOL  I honestly don't know what
>> the magic formula is.  I've been pondering it for years though.  If I
>> ever figure it out, I will definitely share.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> On 10/16/2011 8:20 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>> Is it illegal to just come up to someone and touch them?  What happens
>>> if someone grabs me and I push them away?  How do I know they really
>>> want to guide me somewhere, maybe they want to pick my pocket.
>>>
>>> Can someone just come up and start fondling my purse or my umbrella or
>>> whatever they see on my person that they would like to examine
>>> further?  Or my guide dog if I had one?  If someone grabs my purse,
>>> what happens if I snatch it away from them and yell at them ?  True, I
>>> might think they are trying to steel my purse, but what about my
>>> Victor Stream, maybe they just want to look at it?
>>>
>>> If it is wrong for people to come up to me and touch my things, why is
>>> it not a crime to touch a guide dog.  It is not theirs - leave it alone.
>>>
>>> Once at work I had someone start fidgeting with my monocular which was
>>> sitting on my CCTV.  I told them to leave it alone and they got mad.
>>> Later, they took my typing stand after I left for the day so they
>>> could use it and didn't put it back.  I put a sign on it after that
>>> and they left it alone.  They probably would have pet my  guide dog
>>> had I one at the time.
>>>
>>> I just don't understand why people think they can just pet a guide dog
>>> and then get indignant when they are told  not to by the handler.  Are
>>> there laws that can be applied to someone touching me or my umbrella
>>> or my victor or my (someday) guide.
>>>
>>> I'm just annoyed at the unfortunate crazy stories people have had the
>>> occasion to tell of late on this list.  Nothing against the tellers,
>>> just the perpetrators.
>>>
>>> Brenda
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/16/2011 7:23 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>> Julie, no, this was resorted to twice.  In both cases the persons
>>>> were being overly aggressive.  They were blocking my way and were not
>>>> listening to anything I was trying to tell them.  One person jumped
>>>> in front of me and began to pet Holly.  I explained to him the usual
>>>> and he told me he was a vet and basically in more colorful terms he'd
>>>> do whatever he wanted!  He then threatened to kill my dog if he
>>>> couldn't pet her so that's why he got the response he got!  The other
>>>> was a woman who was being so persistant that I couldn't shake her.
>>>> Everywhere I turned she kept trying to touch Holly and get in my
>>>> way.  I did have another woman who didn't touch Holly but kneeled
>>>> down in front of us and would move every time we did so we couldn't
>>>> get around her.  She wouldn't let me pass until I told her what kind
>>>> of dog Holly was.  When I did she called me a liar and I actually had
>>>> to step in the street to go around her!  No, that one only got some
>>>> really goofy looks!
>>>> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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