[nagdu] Question

Mon Oct 17 19:40:05 UTC 2011

Sounds like good reading Rebecca!  You're talkinmg to one of the few guys 
who took several woman oriented psychology classes and often found myself 
the only man in there!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question


> This discussion re unwanted attention reminds me of Gavin Debecker's books 
> and how usually men (though not always) put unwanted attention on women. 
> Again these are generalizations not hard rules.
> Anyway, his books give some excellent steps on how to deal with this.
> He discusses people who are just annoying, all the way up to people who 
> want to harm you.
>
> He says that we all meet such people.
>
> It's very useful empowering stuff.
> Note for the guys, his books are written for women. So you need to know 
> that before going in.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
> Of Julie J.
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:57 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question
>
> Brenda,
>
> It mostly depends on your state laws.   Here in Nebraska it is a
> criminal offense to interfere with a guide/service dog.  However the
> offending person has to have been told that the dog is a service dog and
> they are interfering.  This shows intent to interfere instead of plain
> stupidity.
>
> How assault and other criminal codes are interpreted is up to the
> responding officer and the county attorney.  I had a case of attempted
> assault when two kids got into a fight.  Kid one hits kid two.  Kid two
> swings to hit kid one back but misses.   Kid two gets attempted assault
> and kid one gets some assault charge that I've forgotten.  Is it fair?
> I don't know, but it is the way it is.
>
> I've never been in a situation where someone persisted after being told
> to quit.  I also extremely rarely have access issues.  I'm beginning to
> think I'm scary looking or something! LOL  I honestly don't know what
> the magic formula is.  I've been pondering it for years though.  If I
> ever figure it out, I will definitely share.
>
> Julie
>
> On 10/16/2011 8:20 PM, Brenda wrote:
>> Is it illegal to just come up to someone and touch them?  What happens
>> if someone grabs me and I push them away?  How do I know they really
>> want to guide me somewhere, maybe they want to pick my pocket.
>>
>> Can someone just come up and start fondling my purse or my umbrella or
>> whatever they see on my person that they would like to examine
>> further?  Or my guide dog if I had one?  If someone grabs my purse,
>> what happens if I snatch it away from them and yell at them ?  True, I
>> might think they are trying to steel my purse, but what about my
>> Victor Stream, maybe they just want to look at it?
>>
>> If it is wrong for people to come up to me and touch my things, why is
>> it not a crime to touch a guide dog.  It is not theirs - leave it alone.
>>
>> Once at work I had someone start fidgeting with my monocular which was
>> sitting on my CCTV.  I told them to leave it alone and they got mad.
>> Later, they took my typing stand after I left for the day so they
>> could use it and didn't put it back.  I put a sign on it after that
>> and they left it alone.  They probably would have pet my  guide dog
>> had I one at the time.
>>
>> I just don't understand why people think they can just pet a guide dog
>> and then get indignant when they are told  not to by the handler.  Are
>> there laws that can be applied to someone touching me or my umbrella
>> or my victor or my (someday) guide.
>>
>> I'm just annoyed at the unfortunate crazy stories people have had the
>> occasion to tell of late on this list.  Nothing against the tellers,
>> just the perpetrators.
>>
>> Brenda
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/16/2011 7:23 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>> Julie, no, this was resorted to twice.  In both cases the persons
>>> were being overly aggressive.  They were blocking my way and were not
>>> listening to anything I was trying to tell them.  One person jumped
>>> in front of me and began to pet Holly.  I explained to him the usual
>>> and he told me he was a vet and basically in more colorful terms he'd
>>> do whatever he wanted!  He then threatened to kill my dog if he
>>> couldn't pet her so that's why he got the response he got!  The other
>>> was a woman who was being so persistant that I couldn't shake her.
>>> Everywhere I turned she kept trying to touch Holly and get in my
>>> way.  I did have another woman who didn't touch Holly but kneeled
>>> down in front of us and would move every time we did so we couldn't
>>> get around her.  She wouldn't let me pass until I told her what kind
>>> of dog Holly was.  When I did she called me a liar and I actually had
>>> to step in the street to go around her!  No, that one only got some
>>> really goofy looks!
>>> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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