[nagdu] Question

Fri Oct 21 00:36:48 UTC 2011

Lots of goofy folks are amused by that kind of thing!  I myself always 
wonder why sighted folks laugh when they see us being confused or for that 
matter accomplishing something they didn't think we could do!  I think we 
make them uncomfortible at times.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question


>  I've warned people the same way on the basis that I grew up in the 
> country... /lol/ it's true, but some how city slickers are just confused 
> by that. /lol/
>
> So I am still paying for the time I quashed that instinct... The attacker 
> still has her job.
>
> So, I won't make *that* mistake again! If in doubt... Do!
>
> Unless one can divert and prevent and arrange to employee more civilized 
> methods first, naturally. But, honestly, if it's the sort of person who 
> will attack a *blind* person from behind... Think about it! What? Was she 
> afraid I would see her coming? Seriously, whoat kind of person does that 
> sort of thing?
>
> Oh, well. Too late for active self-defense now in that instance. Live and 
> learn!
>
> Tami
>
> On 10/16/2011 07:47 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>> Brenda, I don't really know! I know of course if someone is being
>> inappropriate and touching things they're not supposed to or running
>> away with something that's a crime but just touching someone, I don't
>> know. I have to warn people not to do such things to me because I'm
>> likely to attack them. I've had to many folks sneak up on me or try and
>> pull something over on me not to be defensive. I also grew up in the
>> ghetto in Kalamazoo where assault was as common as drinking water! You
>> never know what could happen and sence I'm out after dark often, I
>> learned to be rough. I'm not that way as a rule but people sneaking up
>> on me, grabbing my things including my dogs for one is a pet or the
>> worst sneaking up and touching my face really can make me defensive!
>> Maybe the last especially because I can't see it coming and I value my
>> face, ugly mug that it is, its mine!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" <bjnite at windstream.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 9:20 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Question
>>
>>
>>> Is it illegal to just come up to someone and touch them? What happens
>>> if someone grabs me and I push them away? How do I know they really
>>> want to guide me somewhere, maybe they want to pick my pocket.
>>>
>>> Can someone just come up and start fondling my purse or my umbrella or
>>> whatever they see on my person that they would like to examine
>>> further? Or my guide dog if I had one? If someone grabs my purse, what
>>> happens if I snatch it away from them and yell at them ? True, I might
>>> think they are trying to steel my purse, but what about my Victor
>>> Stream, maybe they just want to look at it?
>>>
>>> If it is wrong for people to come up to me and touch my things, why is
>>> it not a crime to touch a guide dog. It is not theirs - leave it alone.
>>>
>>> Once at work I had someone start fidgeting with my monocular which was
>>> sitting on my CCTV. I told them to leave it alone and they got mad.
>>> Later, they took my typing stand after I left for the day so they
>>> could use it and didn't put it back. I put a sign on it after that and
>>> they left it alone. They probably would have pet my guide dog had I
>>> one at the time.
>>>
>>> I just don't understand why people think they can just pet a guide dog
>>> and then get indignant when they are told not to by the handler. Are
>>> there laws that can be applied to someone touching me or my umbrella
>>> or my victor or my (someday) guide.
>>>
>>> I'm just annoyed at the unfortunate crazy stories people have had the
>>> occasion to tell of late on this list. Nothing against the tellers,
>>> just the perpetrators.
>>>
>>> Brenda
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/16/2011 7:23 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>> Julie, no, this was resorted to twice. In both cases the persons were
>>>> being overly aggressive. They were blocking my way and were not
>>>> listening to anything I was trying to tell them. One person jumped in
>>>> front of me and began to pet Holly. I explained to him the usual and
>>>> he told me he was a vet and basically in more colorful terms he'd do
>>>> whatever he wanted! He then threatened to kill my dog if he couldn't
>>>> pet her so that's why he got the response he got! The other was a
>>>> woman who was being so persistant that I couldn't shake her.
>>>> Everywhere I turned she kept trying to touch Holly and get in my way.
>>>> I did have another woman who didn't touch Holly but kneeled down in
>>>> front of us and would move every time we did so we couldn't get
>>>> around her. She wouldn't let me pass until I told her what kind of
>>>> dog Holly was. When I did she called me a liar and I actually had to
>>>> step in the street to go around her! No, that one only got some
>>>> really goofy looks!
>>>> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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