[nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened

Buddy Brannan buddy at brannan.name
Mon Oct 31 21:08:02 UTC 2011 

I'm not sure why we think that people are going home on a Tueday instead of a Thursday anyway? I mean, the two ays look like they're lopped off the beginning, i.e. Saturday/Sunday, arriving on Monday, so wouldn't the end of classs still be the same?
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On Oct 31, 2011, at 4:01 PM, William Burley wrote:

> Hi Tracy.
> 
> I really don't see where there is disagreement.  What I said is that for
> those who have work issues, they can request home training.  This is not a
> difficult proposition to request through SE.  No matter the timeframe, the
> option is there so I am still a little baffled at why folks are in what
> appears to be dire straits about this change.
> 
> We also both agree that it's not the end of the world.  So I pleasantly
> disagree about us disagreeing *smile*
> 
> I'm just a bit confused as to why people are creating all these dire options
> when they haven't even gotten the full scoop from SE.  
> 
> Again, I doubt SE is doing things exactly as they did even 10 years ago.  As
> long as it is not detrimental to the training experience and other personal
> factors, I don't see what the uproar is.  And I'm not directing that at you.
> I'm speaking of the arguments themselves with lack of accompanying facts.
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 1:06 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
> 
> Hi William.
> I disagree.  Getting back on a Tuesday instead of a Thursday would make a
> difference to me.  On Tuesday, I'd probably work the rest of the week.  On
> Thursday, I'd probably figure the week was already lost, so I'd take
> Friday as well.
> Not the end of my world either way, but I expect my boss would rather have
> those 3 extra days from me than not.
> 
> And if I had the bad luck to not have a dog work out, and have to go back
> way too soon, I think I'd work hard to get home training.  3 weeks off
> every 8 or 9 years is workable.  Twice in a year or two I think would be a
> problem.
> Tracy
> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> I am really enjoying this conversation and it reminds me that change is
>> something that comes with great difficulty in most instances.
>> 
>> While I understand the discussions about the impact of training with a new
>> guide as it relates to career, I am finding it hard to rationalize how
>> going
>> home on a Tuesday rather than Thursday, in the case of the Seeing Eye
>> training schedule, will make much difference.  If you move the two days
>> off
>> the end, that will be toward the end of your training and you still have
>> missed a substantial amount of work.  I would find it a little unrealistic
>> to think if that employer did decide to allow you to go to training that a
>> two day earlier return would be the determining factor in whether you keep
>> your job or not.  If it were to that point, you would know it before going
>> to training in the first place.
>> 
>> Please, please note that when I say you I am using it in the general
>> sense.
>> I don't want anyone thinking I am singling them out because I am not.
>> 
>> I just think the issues that are being raised are easily dealt with by
>> talking with both your employer and the Seeing Eye...especially since they
>> offer home training.  There are options other than always taking a month
>> off
>> from work...or as a retrain, 18 days with the new schedule.
>> 
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:53 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>> 
>> Exactly. I could probably be away from work for a month, I did it when I
>> had
>> my daughter. Still, I do need to ask myself from a career perspective if
>> it
>> is worth doing to get a guide dog. And the answer is that while I did it
>> once, I'm not sure I'd do it again. A month is a long time. I worry about
>> the impact on my career should I have a match not work out or the dog not
>> be
>> able to work soon after coming home.
>> I had to sell my work on why and how a dog would help me be a more
>> effective
>> employee. It was very stressful.
>> 
>> Likewise, everybody understands having a baby, though I did see some
>> disparty in that v. what my male coworkers are asked, mostly I was asked
>> repeatedly when I would "go on maternity leave".  I pointed out that they
>> don't ask the guys when they will have heart attack, break bones, roll off
>> their bikes, and that they would deal with it just fine when I called and
>> said "I'm taking leave now".
>> I think some of this is a disparty in the same process fits many people,
>> but
>> people get bogged in who v. what and that muddies things.
>> I also know that I couldn't be away from my daughter for a month. She
>> needs
>> me in a way work never has.
>> I am not yet ready for another dog. I don't know when or if I will be. I
>> do
>> know that the being away from home leans me toward the "no" side of the
>> house.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Shannon L. Dillon
>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:35 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I agree with taking less time out of the work week for training and also
>> for
>> providing in-home schedules for students.  We need to continue to remind
>> schools how important those alternatives are to us so that we can have our
>> guide dogs but maintain employment and families.
>> SHANNON L. DILLON
>> 
>> 
>>> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:02:41 -0400
>>> From: carcione at access.net
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>>> 
>>> Hi Sam.
>>> If you're so moved, you might write to TSE and tell them how you feel. I
>>> wrote to gradservices, myself. I've heard of instances before when TSE
>>> changed things because graduates spoke up.
>>> Tracy
>>>> I agree. It makes sense to leave a few days early, as that would put
>>> you
>>>> close to the begining of a work week. I thought about posting that on
>>>> the TSE list, but let's just say that things are at the point where
>>> I'm
>>>> not willing to get in the middle of these arguments. Based on how
>>> things
>>>> are going with everything on there, I figure it is better to stay
>> neutral.
>>>> On 10/30/2011 10:23 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>>>>> I'm glad class is a little shorter, but I'm a bit annoyed that it's
>>> the
>>>>> weekend they've cut off. For me, arranging time off work is the
>>> hardest
>>>>> part of getting ready for class. I would be a lot happier if they'd
>>>>> start
>>>>> on Saturday and drop a couple workdays at the end. Am I the only
>>> person
>>>>> who feels this way?
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think that there is just a little less down time. That was the
>> length
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> my last class; I thought it was more challenging, or invigorating.
>>>>>> CL
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Jewel wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What effect, if any, will this have on the training sessions? It
>> seems
>>>>>>> it gives people less time to get acclimated to the area, but do
>> people
>>>>>>> need that extra time?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Curious,
>>>>>>> Jewel
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 10/29/11, Margo and Arrow<margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "The Seeing Eye, Inc."<noreply at seeingeye.org>
>>>>>>>> To: "Margo Downey"<margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 2:11 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dear Graduates,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> At The Seeing Eye, we've always been committed to serving our
>>>>>>>> students
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the best way possible. Over the years, many students have asked if
>> it
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be possible to have a shorter stay here in order to return to
>>> their
>>>>>>>> friends,
>>>>>>>> families, and jobs.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In response, we've streamlined our training process in order to
>> allow
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>> students to get home as quickly as possible. Starting with our
>>> first
>>>>>>>> class
>>>>>>>> in January, we will be able to reduce the time students spend on
>>>>>>>> campus
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> two days. Instead of arriving Saturday, students will now arrive
>>> on
>>>>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>>>> This will enable you to return home in two fewer days - retraining
>>>>>>>> students
>>>>>>>> will stay for 18 days, and new students for 25 days.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Information on the updated class dates for 2012 can be found at:
>>>>>>>> http://www.SeeingEye.org/Schedule
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> David Johnson
>>>>>>>> Director of Instruction& Training
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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