[nagdu] Doors

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Wed Sep 14 01:58:09 UTC 2011


That's right!  I just say switch and Holly does!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "harold leigland" <h_leigland at bresnan.net>
To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doors


> hi julie and tracey pilot has their dogs switch sides and walk behind us 
> through the door; but if a stair way was very near probably not a better 
> idea best hal
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Tuesday, Sep 13, 2011 11:32:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doors
>
>>
>>
>> Yup, I'm so with you.  Before the foot incident I was hesitant about
>> moving without harness in hand, especially around doorways and stairs.
>> Now after the foot episode just the thought of moving without cane or
>> harness handle causes me to break out in a cold sweat.   I suppose it's
>> worsened because I can't use either cane or dog right now.  Crutches
>> require both hands.  I think in time I will get better, but while I have
>> the time to ponder such things, I want to figure out a way to go through
>> doors that I feel safe with and Monty won't get squished.
>>
>> I wonder if I could have him move to the right side and guide from that
>> side for a few steps until we cleared the door.  Then I could stop and
>> have him switch back?   I've never had him work on the right side.  I
>> think it could be doable though.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> On 9/13/2011 12:02 PM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>> > I notice, now that I pay a little attention, that sometimes I drop the
>> > harness and hold the door, and either bring Ben around behind me to my
>> > right, or leave him on my left, and let him walk through the door ahead 
>> > of
>> > me.  He is not trained to leash guide, but he can do it a bit, and I 
>> > can
>> > feel if he stops or moves to avoid something as he goes through the 
>> > door.
>> > I guess I've just had too many mishaps when moving around in public
>> > without using my dog or cane that I am real leery of doing it.  I had a
>> > spectacular incident once when my dog stopped, and I thought he'd 
>> > stopped
>> > for a door, so I stepped up to open it and fell down a flight of stairs 
>> > at
>> > the Empire State Building.  My dog stood at the top, and his leash 
>> > stopped
>> > my slide.  I'm sure he was thinking what an idiot I was, and he was 
>> > right.
>> > So, after enough such stupidities, I try not to step in front of my 
>> > dog,
>> > and to keep hold of the harness as much as possible.
>> > Tracy
>> >
>> >ar That spin thing is what I've been doing for the past few years, but I
>> >ar really don't like it.  I used to do the reach across to hold the door
>> >ar open maneuver.  I was always afraid about getting the dog's paws 
>> >caught
>> >ar in the bottom of the door, but I'm also not comfortable letting go of
>> >ar the harness handle when working through doors.  I'm going to have to
>> >ar think more about this.  Perhaps when I'm walking again this is 
>> >something
>> >ar I can experiment with in the house.   Keep the ideas coming!  It 
>> >helps
>> >ar me to think through all the options.
>> >ar
>> >ar Julie
>> >ar
>> >ar
>> >ar
>> >ar On 9/13/2011 9:01 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>> >>> That is what I call the pirouette. I learned it in class, and 
>> >>> promptly
>> >>> forgot it.  It doesn't work for me, but obviously it works for 
>> >>> others.
>> >>> Tracy
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Archie and I do that too. When we come to a door. I'll turn around, 
>> >>>> And
>> >>>> go
>> >>>> threw back first so the door don't hit hem.
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Natalie"<nrorrell at qwest.net>
>> >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing Listeathe National Association of Guide Dog 
>> >>>> Users"
>> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:53 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doors
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Tracy, et al,
>> >>>>> When working Liam through a door that opens on the left, I pivot, 
>> >>>>> so
>> >>>>> as
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> have my back to the door then heel him through.  I've been doing 
>> >>>>> this
>> >>>>> with
>> >>>>> all my guides.  Probably my explanation sounds as clear as mud; I'd
>> >>>>> have
>> >>>>> to physically show you to make sure the words are coming out right,
>> >>>>> lol.
>> >>>>> I've been doing it so long it's natural, and it works for Liam and 
>> >>>>> me.
>> >>>>> Best,
>> >>>>> Nat and Liam Joshua
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione"<carcione at access.net>
>> >>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing Listeathe National Association of Guide Dog 
>> >>>>> Users"
>> >>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:23 PM
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doors
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Catching up on old email...
>> >>>>>> Like Catherine, I reach across my body to hold open doors with 
>> >>>>>> hinges
>> >>>>>> on
>> >>>>>> the left.
>> >>>>>> If I'm opening a door towards me, I try to angle my foot a bit so 
>> >>>>>> my
>> >>>>>> shoe
>> >>>>>> is between the dog's paws and the door.
>> >>>>>> It's hard to explain, since I'm so used to it I don't think about 
>> >>>>>> it
>> >>>>>> anymore much.
>> >>>>>> Tracy
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Tracy,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I'd love to be able to work Monty through doors.  Like you I 
>> >>>>>>> don't
>> >>>>>>> want
>> >>>>>>> to step into something unknown on the other side.  I also know of 
>> >>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>> couple of places where there are steps immediate to the door, 
>> >>>>>>> which
>> >>>>>>> make
>> >>>>>>> working the dog a much less nerve racking experience! ininsmile*
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> My question is for doors that open on the right, hinges on the 
>> >>>>>>> left,
>> >>>>>>> how
>> >>>>>>> do you keep the door open wide enough so that it doesn't whack 
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> dog
>> >>>>>>> who is between you and the door?  There's no problem say on the 
>> >>>>>>> door
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> my home that stays in place when I open it, but what about the 
>> >>>>>>> doors
>> >>>>>>> that automatically close when they aren't being held?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I used to work right opening doors as you describe with Tia, but
>> >>>>>>> caught
>> >>>>>>> her feet on several occasions.  Fortunately never bad enough to 
>> >>>>>>> do
>> >>>>>>> damage, but still something I don't want to take chances on.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Do I just have short arms or something? ininsmile*  Seriously 
>> >>>>>>> though I
>> >>>>>>> would like to know how you do this.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Julie
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 8/30/2011 10:53 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> I just went out to get lunch, and I see that I almost always 
>> >>>>>>>> work
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> dog
>> >>>>>>>> through doors.  I don't even think about it anymore.
>> >>>>>>>> Tracy
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
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