[nagdu] Doors

harold leigland h_leigland at bresnan.net
Tue Sep 13 23:16:40 UTC 2011


hi julie and tracey pilot has their dogs switch sides and walk behind us through the door; but if a stair way was very near probably not a better idea best hal

----- Original Message -----
From: Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Date: Tuesday, Sep 13, 2011 11:32:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doors

>
>
> Yup, I'm so with you.  Before the foot incident I was hesitant about 
> moving without harness in hand, especially around doorways and stairs.  
> Now after the foot episode just the thought of moving without cane or 
> harness handle causes me to break out in a cold sweat.   I suppose it's 
> worsened because I can't use either cane or dog right now.  Crutches 
> require both hands.  I think in time I will get better, but while I have 
> the time to ponder such things, I want to figure out a way to go through 
> doors that I feel safe with and Monty won't get squished.
> 
> I wonder if I could have him move to the right side and guide from that 
> side for a few steps until we cleared the door.  Then I could stop and 
> have him switch back?   I've never had him work on the right side.  I 
> think it could be doable though.
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> On 9/13/2011 12:02 PM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
> > I notice, now that I pay a little attention, that sometimes I drop the
> > harness and hold the door, and either bring Ben around behind me to my
> > right, or leave him on my left, and let him walk through the door ahead of
> > me.  He is not trained to leash guide, but he can do it a bit, and I can
> > feel if he stops or moves to avoid something as he goes through the door.
> > I guess I've just had too many mishaps when moving around in public
> > without using my dog or cane that I am real leery of doing it.  I had a
> > spectacular incident once when my dog stopped, and I thought he'd stopped
> > for a door, so I stepped up to open it and fell down a flight of stairs at
> > the Empire State Building.  My dog stood at the top, and his leash stopped
> > my slide.  I'm sure he was thinking what an idiot I was, and he was right.
> > So, after enough such stupidities, I try not to step in front of my dog,
> > and to keep hold of the harness as much as possible.
> > Tracy
> >
> >ar That spin thing is what I've been doing for the past few years, but I
> >ar really don't like it.  I used to do the reach across to hold the door
> >ar open maneuver.  I was always afraid about getting the dog's paws caught
> >ar in the bottom of the door, but I'm also not comfortable letting go of
> >ar the harness handle when working through doors.  I'm going to have to
> >ar think more about this.  Perhaps when I'm walking again this is something
> >ar I can experiment with in the house.   Keep the ideas coming!  It helps
> >ar me to think through all the options.
> >ar
> >ar Julie
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar On 9/13/2011 9:01 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
> >>> That is what I call the pirouette. I learned it in class, and promptly
> >>> forgot it.  It doesn't work for me, but obviously it works for others.
> >>> Tracy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Archie and I do that too. When we come to a door. I'll turn around, And
> >>>> go
> >>>> threw back first so the door don't hit hem.
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Natalie"<nrorrell at qwest.net>
> >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing Listeathe National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:53 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doors
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Tracy, et al,
> >>>>> When working Liam through a door that opens on the left, I pivot, so
> >>>>> as
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> have my back to the door then heel him through.  I've been doing this
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> all my guides.  Probably my explanation sounds as clear as mud; I'd
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> to physically show you to make sure the words are coming out right,
> >>>>> lol.
> >>>>> I've been doing it so long it's natural, and it works for Liam and me.
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>> Nat and Liam Joshua
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione"<carcione at access.net>
> >>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing Listeathe National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:23 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doors
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Catching up on old email...
> >>>>>> Like Catherine, I reach across my body to hold open doors with hinges
> >>>>>> on
> >>>>>> the left.
> >>>>>> If I'm opening a door towards me, I try to angle my foot a bit so my
> >>>>>> shoe
> >>>>>> is between the dog's paws and the door.
> >>>>>> It's hard to explain, since I'm so used to it I don't think about it
> >>>>>> anymore much.
> >>>>>> Tracy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tracy,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'd love to be able to work Monty through doors.  Like you I don't
> >>>>>>> want
> >>>>>>> to step into something unknown on the other side.  I also know of a
> >>>>>>> couple of places where there are steps immediate to the door, which
> >>>>>>> make
> >>>>>>> working the dog a much less nerve racking experience! ininsmile*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My question is for doors that open on the right, hinges on the left,
> >>>>>>> how
> >>>>>>> do you keep the door open wide enough so that it doesn't whack the
> >>>>>>> dog
> >>>>>>> who is between you and the door?  There's no problem say on the door
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> my home that stays in place when I open it, but what about the doors
> >>>>>>> that automatically close when they aren't being held?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I used to work right opening doors as you describe with Tia, but
> >>>>>>> caught
> >>>>>>> her feet on several occasions.  Fortunately never bad enough to do
> >>>>>>> damage, but still something I don't want to take chances on.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Do I just have short arms or something? ininsmile*  Seriously though I
> >>>>>>> would like to know how you do this.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Julie
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 8/30/2011 10:53 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I just went out to get lunch, and I see that I almost always work
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> dog
> >>>>>>>> through doors.  I don't even think about it anymore.
> >>>>>>>> Tracy
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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